Americans Don’t Like Republican Health Care Plan

Posted On 16 Mar 2017

The GOP was swept into full control of Washington, in part, on their promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. But if a couple of new polls accurately reflect the mood of the electorate, voters are not happy with how Republicans are going about the task of fulfilling that promise.

In a Fox News survey released Wednesday, 54% of registered voters said they oppose the current version of the American Health Care Act, while only 34% approve of the GOP bill. The law’s deep unpopularity comes largely from almost total disdain on the part of Democrats; 86% of their voters oppose the plan. On the other side, the bill is only moderately popular, with 69% of registered Republicans saying they approve of the bill as it stands now.

Another survey, this one done by Public Policy Polling, finds grim news for the Republican healthcare bill as well. In their survey, only 37% of Republicans support the bill, while 71% of Democrats oppose it.

Democrats will read more into these surveys than is really there; drastic changes to major federal programs – particularly ones that brush up against entitlements – are almost always viewed with skepticism and trepidation among voters. As a few articles have been gracious enough to point out, Obamacare was just as unpopular in the months leading up to its passage. Now, according to Democrats, the ACA is a miraculous, magical law that lived up to its promise and then some.

Right now, voters are looking at this bill through the lens of the media’s reporting and the hazy fog of Republican infighting, both of which have cast the healthcare overhaul in a negative light. That’s not to say that Republicans have come up with a flawless bill by any means, but it isn’t as bad as those on the left are making it out to be.

Still, there’s no doubt that Republicans have lost control of the narrative on Obamacare, and that’s a problem. Paul Ryan tried to appease everyone, and he wound up alienating Trump supporters, Democrats, and fiscal conservatives alike. Meanwhile, Obamacare’s popularity is growing like never before in the law’s history. And the GOP has been known to back down when public pressure turns against them.

The GOP leadership needs to get out in front of this impending disaster before its too late. Ryan is right about one thing, at least – if they can’t repeal Obamacare now, the chance may never come again.

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“The GOP was swept into full control of Washington, in part, on their
promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. But if a couple of new polls
accurately reflect the mood of the electorate, voters are not happy with
how Republicans are going about the task of fulfilling that promise.”

Americans are not happy with the way the ELITES are going about filling that promise…. I no longer consider Elite career politicians either Democrats or Republicans….

Elites are Communists……

Repeal, then consider Replacement.

Build the Wall, then we will talk.
- J.B.Jacobs
  
  It don’t make sense to cut out peoples healthcare and have people dying because you are still trying to work out a replacement. No matter what Trumps healthcare bill looks like, you are going to have people trying to shoot it down. Trump knows that. That’s why he wants to get something that he can get passed before he repeals Obamacare. As bad as Obamacare is, it’s probably better than nothing for some people. If he comes up with a better plan, people will switch over to it and Obamacare will be no more, anyway. Trump is doing the best he can to do what he promised, even though he not only has the Democrats and the media to deal with, but some dumb Republicans like McCain and Lindsay who couldn’t come up with a healthcare bill for dogs, let alone people.
  - David in MA
    
    Healthcare is not governments business.
    Where in the Constitution does it say the federal government is to control people’s private lives, I would like to know.
    - J.B.Jacobs
      
      Obamacare was a mandatory bill. You had to sign up or pay a fine. That’s what you call controlling people’s lives. The healthcare Trump is working on does not say you have to have it. It’s a way for people who have no healthcare to obtain it if they want it and can afford it. He is trying to provide a healthcare plan for people who have no healthcare. You don’t have to take it if you don’t want it. That’s what you call doing something to help the people, not control their lives.
      - David in MA
        
        Last I knew the federal government is to provide for the security of the country and not all the other things it has come to do, which come under states rights, including the healthcare business which most, if not all, have an insurance review board to see to their shenanigans..
      - chief1937
        
        Providing a service that is optional is not meddling in my opinion. ACA was meddling as it was mandatory.
      - David in MA
        
        It is not Constitutional if it is not granted to the federal government to do, whether or not it is a good idea, it eventually advances to mandatory.
      - thereasonableman
        
        You should read the Const with “all the other things” like ” provide for the common Defence and the general Welfare of the United States…” Art 1, Sec 8, clause 1-capitals in original. The Framers must have thought Welfare was pretty important, it’s right up there with Defence.
      - David in MA
        
        What do you think I was saying when I posed “the federal government is to provide for the security of the country “?
        And I don’t believe their use of the word “welfare” means food stamps. free phones, free medical and subsidized housing.
      - thereasonableman
        
        We’re you there with Madison, et al? Didn’t include the Air Force either, is the USAF unconstitutional because it’s not listed with the army and navy? Also not appearing aret income tax, social security, unemployment benefits and many other things Congress and the Sup Ct have approved over the years. PS: Free phones started under Reagan (1984) expanded to cell phones under Bush II (2008)- it’s on your ph bill every month. See, Washington Examiner, 9/27/12.
      - bjpurg
        
        We already had that J.B. It is called welfare!! The government should be more concerned with building the wall and protecting our citizens then healthcare!
      - J.B.Jacobs
        
        They are taking bids for the wall now.The wall will start as soon as they decide who will build the best wall for the least amount of money. The healthcare bill will not hold that up. I know it’s something new with the government doing two things at the same time, but it can be done. The healthcare bill is not welfare. You can sign up for it ,or not, depending what you want. It’s not free. You will have to pay for it. There will be more competition, and that’s what makes costs come down. Right now, several states have only one insurance provider left, so they have no competition, and no other company can sell in those states, so they can charge whatever they and you will have to pay it or you have no insurance. Trump is trying to change that, so insurance company’s can sell in any state. Then people will have a choice and if a company is higher than other company’s for the same insurance, they will not sell much until they get the price down. Give the man a chance, he’s only been in office about 2 months.
      - Rich
        
        Dear JB I think that they are going to retain the part where everyone has to pay..Ryan said that the young have to take care of the old.. This is not a welfare type thing..it is a tax..and those who wish to opt out have to pay a fine..still..it’s in the new bill. I opposed it then, and I still do…It’s NOT the Gov’ts job to have healthcare for everyone..The poor can use Medicaid, and the retirees, can use Medicare..The vets can use the VA..if they want to..everyone else is on their own. If you make too much to use Medicaid, and your not employed, and too young to be on Medicare, and not a vet…then you have to buy your own. Freedom from all that requires a price.
      - thereasonableman
        
        Last time I checked Medicaid and Medicare were both government programs so gov’t is taking care of all over 65 and poor-until they get cut too- Trump said in campaign he would protect Medicare & SS, but Ryan wants to cut them both- if you don’t already qualify you are going to get screwed if Ryan has his way-$54 billion for DoD, balance the budget by cutting Medicare and SS, welcome to the new New Deal Ryan McConnell style- ever see a poor congressman? Me neither, they ALL, Rs and Ds manage to come out of Congress richer than they went in- how’s that work?
      - Aunt Dot
        
        AND THAT IS ALSO WHAT YOU CALL FREEDOM…. AND YOUR MEDICAL INFO IS PRIVATE….. NOT IN THE HANDS OF GOVERNMENT…. THE muslim PIG’S INTENT FOR FULL CONTROL HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY MR. TRUMP!!!! THANK YOU MR. TRUM FOR RETURNING OUR FREEDOM TO US….. NOW…. RETURN OUR SAFETY…. SEND THE CRIMINAL ILLEGALS BACK!!!! IF THEY CARED FOR THEIR FAMILIES IN THE BEGINNING THEY WOULD HAVE ENTERED LEGALLY…. THERE WAS A METHOD IN EXISTENCE!!! THEY CONTINUE TO BRING THOUSANDS OF LBS. OF DRUGS IN…. DO THEY LOOK LIKE PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR COUNTRY???? AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ENTERED AND IMMEDIATELY DEMANDED CONCESSIONS TO THEIR RELIGION????? THE muslim PIG IN THE WHITE HOUSE TRIED TO DESTROY OUR RELIGION AND REPLACE IT WITH muslim DEMANDS…. HE OPENED BATHROOMS OF OUR CHILDREN…. OUR KIDS…. TO PEDOPHILES, RAPISTS, AND CHILD ABUSERS!!! AND HE WANTED TO BRING THAT FILTH HERE!!! AND THE PIGS DIDN’T STOP THERE…. THEY TOOK PICTURES OF WOMEN USING THE DRESSING ROOM FOR IT’S DESIGN…. AND SPREADING THEM AROUND!!! THIS IS THE FILTH THE muslim SON OF A WHORE BROUGHT TO US!!! WE NOW HAVE A MORAL LEADER HELL BENT ON RESTORING OUR FREEDOM AND RIGHTS…… WE HAVE AN AMERICAN BACK….. NOT A muslim PIG SHIT!!!
      - thereasonableman
        
        Pictures of women in the bathroom? I thought that was the new hobby of A Few Good Men, aka USMC
      - Combatvet52
        
        You mean the muslim whore that’s all he is and so is Michael.
  - MAHB001
    
    People do not die because they don’t have healthcare…. It is unfair of you to assume that all that are dying is because they don’t have healthcare. Before 0bamacare or socialized medicine, people without the means to get help, found help.
    
    It is NOT a right to have health care any more than it is a right to be healthy. This is NOT the Governments business.
    
    What I am saying is that just like the Wall, repeal it, then replace it. The Left has created a false narrative that it must be replaced before it is repealed.
    - J.B.Jacobs
      
      People are dying because the don’t have healthcare. Look at the veterans who cannot see a doctor when they need to at some of the VA centers. They are dying while waiting to see a doctor. Trump is trying to provide an option they can use when Obamacare dies if they want to. He is trying to make it as affordable as he can. I didn’t say all that are dying is because they had no healthcare but some of them are. Some people are dying because they can’t afford the healthcare that is available. Hopefully Trump will be able to come up with a plan that more people can afford.
      - ISIS McCain
        
        Fund VA and then go back to the way it was when our healthcare was the best!!
      - Obie Miller
        
        Amen! Fund it for the VA , and Stop there! Federal control of healthcare for everyone else is not necessary. Those who feel that the federal government should control everything should move to a socialist or communist country! We should give Trump a chance. I trust a man with a successful business background a lot more than I do professional politicians!
      - James Andrews
        
        And that was BEFORE the ACA was passed!
      - thereasonableman
        
        If you care to look at the CIA World Fact Book you will see that the US health care system has a terrible record when it comes to both maternal and infant death rates, I think you will agree an important measure of ones health care system, not withstanding the fact the we spend a higher % of GDP than other other country. As they say, you can look it up. A mother and baby have a better chance in Belarus than the US! Many other measures have shown that the US has worse outcomes for various procedures than many other countries, Sad!
        
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      - Combatvet52
        
        How come my cousin came to the US for brain surgery from Canada they said theres a 6 month wait…….he could have died if not come to the states.
      - My country
        
        A veteran is someone who has injuries from war not from walking down the street . And are paid by the government for their service of which they have stolen millions from in order to pay for illegals . Even people who pay high priced premiums are not able to go to the doctor . I know a couple whose premiums are $25,000.00 a year because she had breast cancer . After the cost of the premiums she can barely afford a checkup . And government healthcare never works for anybody . And the poor have been given plenty of healthcare . Especially on Medicaid. And yes there will always be someone who falls through the cracks . But the government has no place in our healthcare no more than their intrusion of our lives . You are right they are dying because they can’t pay for those high priced premiums that cover others . Just like car insurance it covers the other guy more than you . So you have to pay the high price collision policy just to get coverage for you and your family all while you cover the uninsured and the underinsured .
      - J.B.Jacobs
        
        I am a veteran and I don’t know what I would have done without the VA hospital taking care of me for the last 25 years. I have had two open heart surgery’s and if I had to pay for it myself, I would have had to sell everything I own and borrow all the money I could and probably still not have been able to pay for it all.
        I haven’t seen a copy of the healthcare bill Trump is submitting. I don’t think he is trying to get free healthcare for everybody. I think he is trying to get the price down to where most people will be able to afford it. It’s ridiculous now. I live in a small town, about 13,000 population with a hospital that charges $1200 a day for a room. A notice in the paper not long ago said 76% of the children in this county are living in poverty.
        We only have 2 industries here and one of them has already given notice they will be closing by November, and there are rumors that the other is thinking about closing. I’m sure this is not an isolated case. It’s happening all over the country. We need help, not hand-outs but full time jobs with benefits. What jobs that will be left will be part time, seasonal jobs and no benefits.
        We are hoping and praying Trump will be able to do what he said he would do, despite the Democrats and media doing everything they can to stop him. I don’t understand why they are doing what they are doing.
      - My country
        
        The jobs left our country because too many regulations and the EPA . We have got to have our industries back . And most of all Americans have to and should be the first and foremost concern of politicians. But sadly we are not . Obama tried to totally destroy our military . He took millions fom the military and Social security to fund Medicaid and Obamacare for millions of illegals Our brainwashed society doesn’t know what our military is and what they do . Our soldiers are our people and we have no right to treat them like nothing. Our politicians didn’t stop him and through government health care they are controlling more of our life . I am happy to thank you for your service and may God hold you in his hands . And may he heal you and guide you through your pain ! Trump needs our support for he is up against people who would kill their own mother to keep Americans under control.
      - thereasonableman
        
        POTUS can’t spend money on things that Congress did not appropriate it for nor move it around to pay for other things. Don’t like the way fed spending is done? Complain to Congress. You want people to care more about the military-reinstate the draft, then they will care a lot- the real 1% we need to take care of is the military, not the other 1% that make millions $$$ and never served.
      - My country
        
        He ran around congress . Look up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac . Congress is suppose to authorize everything but they didn’t and didn’t stop Obama . Just like he could not make laws but he did . And judges are not to make laws but they do
      - thereasonableman
        
        Make up your own facts if it makes you happy, but no president can “run around congress” when it come to spending money. Call your favorite congressperson if you don’t believe me.
        Read the URL for a summary of the process.
        http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/A-Brief-Guide-to-the-Federal-Budget-and-Appropriations-Process.aspx
      - Vivian Allen
        
        Is there anything wrong with each individual “state” stepping up to provide healthcare for those who live within the boundaries of their state. At least until President Trump stabilizes the nightmare he inherited from doofus Obama. These sanctuary states want a love fest with illegals? I say bring it on you liberal coo-koo birds and pay for these mooches out of your own states budget. Don’t saddle the government with your idiotic judgment. Strap em’ on and open your wallet.
      - My country
        
        They are trying . Haven’t you heard the article 5 convention of states that are fighting to give the states back their rights ? Until they can get enough states to apply it has been a hard go at it . Check and see if your state is one that is fighting .? Things need to be back in the hands of individual states not the federal government that wants one size fits all .
      - thereasonableman
        
        Yes, there is something wrong- it’s the United States and your level of health care shouldn’t depend on whether you live in MS or MA.
      - Paul Smith
        
        Eliminate border restrictions on insurance companies and you eliminate that problem.
      - Paul Smith
        
        Not unless the Fed fails to block grant back to the States or cuts taxes to offset the additional burden.
        
        As to the Sanctuary issue, I totally disagree. That is a Federal responsibility and it should be unlawful for any State to undermine that effort regardless of how they feel about it. Governors, Mayors and Sheriffs should go to Federal prison for federal felonies if they so much as speak out against the Federal policy.
      - pappy450
        
        Many people are dying because greedy insurance companies won’t let them get the care the doctor orders because it would hurt THEIR “bottom line”. (VA Included) THAT is a FACT. Welfare people have always had MEDICAID and get better care than people like ME and my wife that are on on MEDICARE.
        Seen it, been there, lived through it. My wife had to have a new lens put in her eye, SHE had to “put up” with what Medicare would “allow” (unless we could come up with $2000.00 “extra”) .A person we know, has MEDICAID, got both eyes done, and got the best lens that OUR money could buy. (AND PAID NOTHING.) NOW he no longer needs glasses.
        Ain’t his a GREAT country or what?
      - My country
        
        Especially if you are foreign or of ethnic color . I hate what Obama has done and his allies .
      - Paul Smith
        
        Don’t just blame Obama. . .
        
        THE PURPOSE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
        
        “For the white working class, there is no place in the liberal multicultural tent. The liberal
        multicultural tent is mobilized as a coalition of ethnic groups against the white male.” –Dinesh D’Souza
      - Combatvet52
        
        He has to rot in hell with cancer sores all over his body the worse negro ever.
      - thereasonableman
        
        You should have gotten a better Medicare supplemental ins policy- your freedom of choice –
      - pappy450
        
        That would be GREAT (I we could afford it) The “supplement plans” are NOT FREE ( like MEDICAID IS) Not my choice, but I ALSO need to pay those LAND. SCHOOL, and any other “taxes” like any other “retiree” has to UNLIKE WELFARE RECIPIENTS that have all their “goodies” handed to them. ALSO I just had one of these people I know, BRAG about receiving “earned income credit” and a “TAX refund” for “payments” he received from WELFARE! Unbelievable! MORE “free Money” thanks to the TAXPAYERS of N.Y. State.
      - thereasonableman
        
        Well, let’s see, have you applied to your county to get a homestead exemption on your real estate tax? If you applied and didn’t get it the county must not think you are too poor. Would you rather have SS retirement and Medicare and whatever pension you have from prior work or be on welfare? Oh, yeah, if you are fully qualified for your SS you can go back to work w/o losing any SS benefit.
      - pappy450
        
        If you REALLY must know, I am on SSD after having a pipe that weighed 680 Pounds dropped on the back of my head WHILE WORKING. I endured 10 years of BATTLES with “workman’s compensation” and gran-Mal seizures. I was sent to 38, count-em 38 “specialists”..Not to help, but to harass and “prove” there was nothing wrong and put me back to work. I ended up with a “settlement” 1/2 of what I was SUPPOSED to get (according to Lawyers) and lost about ALL of it when the twin Towers got leveled. Now I have more metal in me than a junk yard after back, hip and neck surgeries., BUT I had to “pay” for my care with what little money I had left.
        The Compensation crooks were just looking for me to DIE so they didn’t have to PAY.
        You are NEVER a “Person” in this world, just a number and if you get injured on the job these crooks will do anything to stop you from collecting a DIME.
      - Combatvet52
        
        “workman’s compensation” SUCKS been fighting a case since i got hurt in 1995 I was awarded by ALJ 60% partial permanent disabilty the attorneys appealed it and I got kicked in the gutter my cash and life time payments cut out of my life, THEY SUCK
      - pappy450
        
        You got THAT right! Every year (just Before Christmas) They would “pull” My Compensation Payments and I would be FORCED to go to “court” again in March to fight for my payments back. I ALWAYS got them back. They were just hoping I would DIE before they had to “pay” again. If you do NOT have a good lawyer willing to fight for you, you WILL be pushed “under the carpet” or “fall through the cracks”, but after 38 “specialists” that could NOT deny the fact that I had been injured, they finally gave in, but at a much LESSER PERMANENT “disability”, so THEY could save MONEY. NOW I am stuck with Social security and Medicare for the rest of my life. (but it is better than starving)
        I would much rather been on the job, but my injuries made it impossible to do the job I was trained for and “compensation” REFUSED to train me for one I could do. (again.. MONEY)
      - Combatvet52
        
        I here ya Pappy they said I left the workforce on my own these AH are sick I was hurt how the hell can I work…..I’m 84 years old on dialysis 3 times a week along with the other problems that occurred because of my injury, all they keep telling me is to reconnect with the workforce good trick if I was able to. they just don’t give a squat what happens to you this was a NY injury I even wrote to the bone head Cuomo answered my first letter telling me how great it was for me to let him know whats going on…….well the other 6 letters he never answered they owe me somewhere in the vicinity of $450,000. and my attorney tells me the same chit it’s the law you have to reconnect……I told them to go reconnect their brain to the nearest electric pole, I can’t deal with all this crap being on dialysis.
      - pappy450
        
        I am in agreement with you. Until I had my seizures under control, I actually had a Compensation doctor tell me to get in my service truck and get my ass back to work and IF I ended up crashing and killing myself, my wife would be better off without me. I threatened to throw his ass out of the window of the State tower building. THAT got my Compensation taken away from me for six months and i was “informed” if I had enough ambition to throw a doctor out a window I could go to back work.
      - Combatvet52
        
        I wrote letters to all the attorneys responsible for taking my money away from me I told them to use the money for your cancer of the brain told them to rot in hell I wonder how they can sleep at night.
      - Paul Smith
        
        Maybe you shouldn’t be retired?
      - Paul Smith
        
        Not sure whether that says something FOR Medicaid, which would be a first for me, or against your failure to acquire adequate insurance. Most people purchase supplemental insurance to cover things like that.
      - Combatvet52
        
        (supplemental insurance) Sucks up my whole pension check now that my union said there not going to insure me anymore after 35 years how do you like them apples.
    - James Andrews
      
      Exactly; good post…..
    - RightWriter
      
      People CAN die because they don’t have heath care, especially if they have a physical or mental disability that keeps them from taking advantage of the free services that MIGHT be available (if you’re waiting and waiting for veterans’ medical services and NOT GETTING TAKEN CARE OF, and you’re maybe not in too good shape mentally, you may not know you can TRY emergency medical clinics, or if you DO, and they can’t or won’t see you and send you back to the VA, you might be DEAD before you got the care you needed.
      But it IS somewhat unusual, I’ll give you that much.
      My libertarian instincts (about 40% of my philosophy) agree with you that there’s no “right” to health care. But we ARE a compassionate people, and when someone is in need, most of us TRY to help. That’s NOT, in my view, a bad thing.
      You say that “before socialized medicine, people who needed help, found help.” True, but when we adopted Medicare and Medicaid, and then more recently Obamacare, we PUT THE OLD SOURCES OF HELP ON THE SHELF. The private agencies that would have been there to help Grandma or Grandpa MAY NOT BE THERE ANYMORE, or may just be INTAKE FACILITIES for Medicaid or Obamacare. It’s not the sick person’s fault: WE put those agencies out of business by giving the government their responsibilities AND the money to PAY for their services. So today’s sick or low-income person may NOT have the sources of help that Grandma and Grandpa relied on. Again, and it’s a stark question: DO WE LET THEM DIE IN THE STREET, OR EVEN AT HOME IN THEIR BEDS? Because the agencies they MIGHT have gone to have CLOSED?
      - Joe Maxwell
        
        If the insurance companies were put in a competitive situation their prices would come down. It is not only the insurance companies that make health care expensive, the lawyers have caused a lot of the problem. As new expensive treatments are developed, doctors are forced to prescribe them in a lot of cases to cover their ass. This pushes up the cost of treatment covered by health insurance so the fees go up. I had my own business most of my life and had to provide my own health insurance. What I had was catastrophic coverage that had a very high deductible. I never had to use it but my medical expenses were low. When the Federal Government gets involved, everything gets out of wack. All the social programs should be removed from the government. Politicians cannot make good decisions concerning these programs and the bureaucrats use up most of the money.
      - MAHB001
        
        Of course they can die, but it is impossible to blame that death on the fact that they did not have healthcare….
        
        What is happening at the VA is not an example of health insurance gone wrong. It is an example of a Government controlled health care system that is failing to do as promised.
        
        Which is EXACTLY what 0bamacare was designed to do, FAIL…
        
        I say NO WE DO NOT LET THEM DIE IN THE STREET, but I do not believe that keeping 0bamacare is going to change where or when they die. Our Government just doesn’t give a shit. The ELITES are pushing socialized medicine because:
        
        ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
        —–Lenin
        AND
        “The goal of socialism is communism.”
        —–Lenin
        
        Big Government is Communism.
    - Jimmy King
      
      Trump’s Healthcare, like the Wall, are both BULLSHIT promises this snakle oil salesman sold to you clowns and you bought it. Trump promised better healthcare, where everyone would be covered and it would be cheaper. LIES, LIES, LIES,
      
      “Mexico is going to pay for it” HAHAHA You idiots bought that one too YOU and I are paying for the wall and its going to need Massive cuts to pay for it. And at the end of the day, the majority of experts know that it won’t be effective
      
      He had a plan for ISIS too. But you had to trust him on it because he didn’t want to show his hand. YOU MORONS bought that too. So after 6 weeks his plan on ISIS has been to CONTINUE Obama’s strategy…….. Great Plan.
      - MAHB001
        
        Where where you when the same was said about 0bama? What a F..n hypocrite.
      - Combatvet52
        
        Right on MAHBOO1
  - James Andrews
    
    OWebamacare stinks, and caused massive increases in our insurance premiums! Get rid of entirely, for starters, and either come up with a plan that is FAIR to everyone who is paying for it, and if someone cannot, then they don’t get it! Health care is NOT a right, but a service and privilege for those who pay for it. It is that simple.
    - thereasonableman
      
      And if you can’t afford it and get sick then you stay sick or die, is that your position?
      - Rich
        
        almost 99% percent were taken care by the hospitals before the illegals came and put several hospitals out of business, mooching off of them. Usually the hospital would work out a payment plan with you if you couldn’t afford a lump sum payment..I think that many will still do this.
      - thereasonableman
        
        and if they die before the bill is paid, the bill goes to the estate and there went your inheritance from Uncle Freddy…
      - James Andrews
        
        Yes! The corrupt thieves have zero right to STEAL from those of us who are willing to pay our share, in order to “provide” for those who are not willing to. Charity belongs in the realms of the private sector, and the churches, not via a bunch of corrupt thieves and lawyers in Washington, D.C. The private sector and the churches did it for hundreds of years, and much more efficiently than Big Brother could ever do it.
      - thereasonableman
        
        Can’t wait to hear your position when someone in your family goes broke paying for nursing home care @ $6K or more per month-and if they have a stroke and become bed ridden they will probably live long enough to go broke in order to qualify for medicaid-then we’ll just put ’em out on an ice flow- if you can find an ice flow. Let us all know if you find a charity that provides that care- church run hospitals and nursing homes still make you pay
      - James Andrews
        
        You’re welcome….you still don’t get it: the little working class men and women are screwed in this country, period. Millions of us……Big Brother certainly can’t help any of us, as they are 75% of the causes of the problems to begin with. Study some simple economics.
  - gjm11653
    
    No one will die. I had no insurance for several years and had a heart condition. I got help at a low cost clinic. I qualify soon for medicare but was told I should have been on medicaid because of my heart failure I have lived with since age 50. I just didn’t know disability was available unless unable to walk. So I kept working and getting worse. But still here so it is alright.
- Boyd Herrst
  
  Concur on this !
- dude
  
  I agree get rid of Obama care totally and build our wall and get all those illegals off of it and muslim’s and tax payers might could afford their own private health care
  - RightWriter
    
    The reason health insurance EXISTS (even from private insurers and covering private taxpayers) is because of health RISKS (someone ends up in a body cast after a horrific car crash, has cancer and needs months of treatment, has a chronic condition that will need expensive medication for a LIFETIME…expenses most people CAN’T afford to cover, even with “their own private health care.” That’s why nobody is talking (seriously, anyway) about totally doing away with “health care” — we’re really not talking about CARE, at all, but about INSURANCE. (For CARE you go to your doctor, or an emergency room if something unexpected happens, happens in the middle of the night, or you don’t HAVE a doctor. Even the government is smart enough to realize they can’t provide health CARE for everyone, at ANY cost. Whether
    you’re talking about Obamacare OR the AHCA, it’s INSURANCE, not CARE.)
- bjpurg
  
  Get the wall built and get the illegals off of the teat of the US and those career welfare recipients if made to contribute in whichever way they can and we may find healthcare would become a whole lot more affordable for everyone!!
- jreg9304
  
  All politicians, no matter what party, are two-faced, back stabbing, liars. Trump is a businessman and a self proclaimed non politician, turned politician. He is trying to do what is right and good for America and all Americans. Every time he turns around, he has a brick wall stareing him in the face. We all know that the powers that be are building these illusory brick walls and these powers that be shall and will be held accountable for their illegitimate roles in these triflieing’s that go again’st the grain of the majority of what America needs and what Americans want. The garbage can that is called Congress has to be brought to a screeching halt, the sooner the better, for all American’s!!
  - MAHB001
    
    Trump has more enemies than JFK did…. Pray for his safety.
  - RightWriter
    
    If you REALLY think that about ALL politicians, I feel sorry for you — because you will have to live your whole life surrounded by “two-faced, back-stabbing liars.” (BTW, ,you can find a LOT of THEM in BUSINESS, too!)
    
    With WHAT do you want to replace Congress? ONE MAN RULE (even by a smart businessman and non-politician) is called TYRANNY, or DICTATORSHIP. Is THAT what you have in mind? What if that businessman and non-politician comes up with a policy YOU DON’T LIKE — you’d have NO WAY to change — or even PROTEST — it!
    
    The three-branch system of government (Executive headed by a President, legislative made up of 2 houses of Congress, and judicial made up of the courts) — is the SUREST GUARANTEE OF YOUR FREEDOMS that has EVER been designed by human minds. You should consider yourself LUCKY we have it!
    
    Sure, you can hate Congress (though keep in mind, SOME of its members are by the law of averages on YOUR side, too!). So VOTE FOR THE OTHER GUYS next election. Don’t like their candidates, either? GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDE AND GO RUN FOR OFFICE YOURSELF. (I hope you WIN, because maybe you’d find out HOW HARD IT IS to govern FAIRLY, HONESTLY, and EFFECTIVELY. Especially in a nation of 320 million people, where they ALL seem to have DIFFERENT goals, wants, and needs.)
    
    And btw, as another Trump fan, I have to tell you: ONE reason he keeps running into brick walls is because HE KNEW SO LITTLE ABOUT GOVERNMENT from his past career. A SEASONED politician — which of course YOU didn’t WANT — would have SEEN some of those brick walls and figured out how to get around, or over, them — but that BUSINESSMAN didn’t know. OK, he’s learning on-the-job. It takes LONGER that way, and there’s stuff he will MISS and CONTINUE to find frustrating and maybe NEVER figure out. But it’s worth noting than when we go out and find a golf course & hotel developer, EVEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL and TALENTED ONE with a truly FINE mind, what we GET is an AMATEUR at GOVERNING.
    
    Or, maybe next time (Trump can run for re-election in 2020, but in 2024 we’ll have to find someone else) we’ll pick one of those “back-stabbing” politicians and find out the only backs he’s/she’s stabbing are those of our ENEMIES. Would that be so bad?
- jimmy midnight
  
  Here’s an instance in which I bet we agree that the exact wording of the poll question would at least B a useful staring point. Otherwise, poll results R meaningless.
  
  I.m sure U don’t agree, however, that USA should join the civilized world in funding healthcare through a tax-supported single payer system. I’ll keep working on ya, anyway.
  - MAHB001
    
    Jimmy, Just because the world is doing it doesn’t mean we should do it?
    
    ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
    —–Lenin
    
    “The goal of socialism is communism.”
    —–Lenin
    
    I am sure U don’t agree that Capitalism is the ONLY economic system that has enriched the masses, and allowed the poor upward mobility in economic class. Communism has done just the opposite, elites are elites, and the poor are condemned to be poor.
    
    I’ll keep on working on ya, anyway.
- chief1937
  
  You can’t repeal without a replacement that would be disastrous.
  - MAHB001
    
    I think it far more disastrous to let this cancer grow.
    
    You know what, the disaster would be 0bama’s fault for creating the flawed bill anyway.
    - RightWriter
      
      You’re living in a DREAM WORLD if you think the media would let the blame for the collapse of Obamacare fall on Obama! Never mind EVERY Republican in Congress OPPOSED it! Never mind the House Republicans presented a new, fully rational health insurance reform bill EVERY YEAR, only to have either Harry Reid BLOCK it in the Senate or Obama VETO it — and then accuse US of having “no ideas” about an alternative. Never mind that Obamacare became ENORMOUSLY unpopular, or that millions of Americans who GOT the subsidies couldn’t AFFORD to pay the premiums or the HUGE co-pays. WE would get the blame, first for letting Obamacare fail and then for not having an alternative ready to put in its place.
      - MAHB001
        
        Is it up to the MEDIA to decide where the blame lies???
        
        I have no doubt what the corrupt MEDIA is doing… http://www.madashellboycott.com
      - RightWriter
        
        Of course it’s not up to the media to decide where the blame lies. But the media DO transmit information to the public — whether you mean the mainstream media (liberal) or cable news (some conservative, still more liberal) or social media (all over the map: pick your site & your opinion preferences). Wherever you stand, you get the bulk of your information from SOME media. Which means you WILL absorb the “slant,” if you like, offered by whichever media you’ve chosen to watch/read/listen to. And despite the growth of Fox News and social media, MOST Americans (INCLUDING many conservatives) STILL get their news from either the daily papers or the nightly network news reports. In short, they get a liberal slant, even if they’re hard-core conservatives.
        
        And you can be SURE the mainstream media, whether newspapers, networks, or online, WILL blame conservatives (& Republicans) if Obamacare fails and we haven’t ALREADY PASSED a PERFECT (well, nearly) program to replace it.
  - RightWriter
    
    You’re right that repealing without replacing Obamacare WOULD be a disaster now. Even for the middle class & others who HAD good group insurance provided by their employers. THAT INSURANCE NO LONGER EXISTS, thanks to Barack Obama’s plan to DESTROY all private insurance so he could then shrug and say, “well, I SAID all along that a ‘single payer’ system would be the best!” What we NEED NOW is an interim system that can provide what people NEED (maybe not what only a very few WANT, like gender reassignment surgery) while we REBUILD the private insurance system, making it even BETTER than it was. I think that’s what they’re heading for with the AHCA — it’s NOT perfect, but it’ll WORK while we let the PRIVATE market regenerate.
- RightWriter
  
  Because of Senate’s arcane rules, it CAN’T be done that way. Also, what happens to people who may not be well-to-do, but need very expensive emergency surgery or other care NOW, while the “replace” part of the deal is still in limbo? Let them DIE?
  Just a note: the “elites” are the VERY people who would be HURT MOST by communism. They are for that reason the LAST people in our society who would espouse a communist philosophy. Some HAVE been sold socialism, by being convinced it’s better for “all the little people” (even though NO
  socialist society in the world has BETTERED the lives of the “little people.”) But communism is different. A member of “the elites” would have to be TOTALLY INSANE and SELF-DESTRUCTIVE to espouse communism. And let’s face it, if they were THAT stupid they wouldn’t be a problem for the rest of us!
  - thereasonableman
    
    The elites always do well, regardless of the system of gov’t. Look at the elites in old USSR, current Russia, China, where ever, if you have talent, ambition and luck you too can become an elite in any system. Remember Paradise Lost- better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
    - RightWriter
      
      I think you’re right that the elites will prosper (or NEW elites will take form) in the long run, but the question was about the American elites — as they are now — wanting to impose Communism. Now, the easy answer would have been that NOBODY except the pathetic denizens of Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea wants Communism.
      But I was trying to explain WHY American elites might be socialists, but almost never Communists (George Soros being the exception that proves the rule, but then, he’s not actually an American).
      
      The fact is — and I base this on having lived 2 miserable years in Czechoslovakia (one of the LEAST grim Soviet-bloc countries) in the bad old days (I’m not Czech and didn’t go by choice; Dad was a U.S. diplomat) — the FACT is that even living the life of the “elites” (even high-placed Communist Party members — “reigning in Hell,” if you like — was about like living a lower-middle-class existence HERE. Even the BIG bigshots had next to NOTHING (ever drive a Trabbi? East German car, by all reports best made in the Soviet bloc, if it lasted 1000 miles it was a MIRACLE! AND you had to wait THREE YEARS to get delivery, even if you were the Foreign Minister!)
      Sure, elites do better than ordinary folks, but “better” is a relative term. And today’s American “elites” are shrewd enough not to want what passes for “reigning in Heaven” in the old Soviet Bloc.
      - thereasonableman
        
        My guess is the foreign minister had a chauffeur (from the StB) driven Skoda or Tatra, or maybe Zil. -Pavel had a big BMW when he became Pres–American elites Among others DJT, his whole cabinet, all his friends among others, Bill Gates, W Buffet, all the tech billionaires- every US government has been filled w/ elites of one sort from the very beginning – planters and entrepreneurs later lawyers and industrialists, –like O W Holmes said-when socialism comes I want to be on the committee–when I was in Czecho , Karlo U in Pr and Bratislava in the v early ’90s I was staying with an olympic trainer and his MD wife part of the time- they had their same gov’t jobs as before the wall came down not bad life if you got along- nice apt, dacha by a lake w/ own vineyard, Polski Fiat- lots of pivo and hluski – they traveled out of CZ but always came back-‘course one of their friends said we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us- you probably lived aound the hill from the Hrad-Cany (sp?) in the Diplo area in Prague
      - RightWriter
        
        Frankly, I don’t do well remembering AMERICAN car makes or models, much less the ones in use nearly 50 years ago in
        Prague. They all looked like Chevys from the era of my childhood, as far as I was concerned. I have blocked as much of that period as i could out of my memory. To be truthful,
        I HATED it and couldn’t WAIT for Dad to be reassigned — on THIS side of the Iron Curtain.
  - MAHB001
    
    There are many ways to stop this law, find the tax unconstitutional or the implementation of it unconstitutional.
    - RightWriter
      
      Well, first, President Trump and just about every Republican candidate for the Senate & House DID promise to “repeal & replace” Obamacare. If we “stop this law” (even assuminng we CAN), we’ll have broken Promise Number One in the Trump campaign — and the repercussions from the public could be fierce.
      People tell pollsters RIGHT NOW that they don’t like what the Republicans are doing, but they haven’t SEEN the actual RESULT, because it doesn’t exist yet. Usually when the end product is visible, it looks a lot better than what could be seen along the way. (It’s been said that “legislation is like sausages: the end result may be great, but you don’t want to look too closely while it’s being MADE.”)
      The other problem is that WE can’t find this law, or any law, or its implementation unconstitutional. The SUPREME COURT would have to do that, and so far EVERY effort has been made to write a bill that WILL PASS THE TEST OF CONSTITUTIONALITY. For sure, the DEMOCRATS will try to get ANY law we pass shot down on constitutional grounds; it’d be pretty ironic if WE conservatives were trying to do the SAME.
      Why not PASS the law (since we’re going to be stuck with responsibility for it it anyway, especially if it DOESN’T look populqar) and then when we see the final result, make whatever ADJUSTMENTS have to be made to iron out the wrinkles?
      - MAHB001
        
        Here is the problem… Pelosi said we must pass the law before we can read it…
        
        Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
        
        I believe polls are used to sway public opinion more than just monitor public opinion….
        
        And I also believe that 0bamacare was implemented unconstitutionally, which makes the law unconstitutional…
        
        Section 8 – Powers of Congress
        
        The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
        To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
        
        When 0bama gave out his get out of 0bamacare free cards to the Unions and Big Businesses, 0bama himself broke Section 8 of the Constitution. 0bama did not apply a tax equally to all……
        
        Now I also do not believe that our Government representatives have the balls to uphold this ruling… They are part of the elites that are not paying the tax…
      - RightWriter
        
        Well, congratulations — you’re the first person I’ve met on this site who had actually looked up the Constitution.
        Unfortunately, the Supreme Court DID say that Obamacare WAS constitutional, despite what seemed to me (and to you) to be obvious problems with its constitutionality. (It had nothing to do with Obama giving “free cards” to unions or big business — that’s a HANDOUT, not “imposts or excises.”) The chatter among lawyers in DC at the time was that Chief Justice Roberts didn’t want to put the Court in DIRECT conflict with the elected branches, but it seems to me THAT’S WHAT THE COURT IS SUPPOSED TO DO, if necessary.
        In any case, it wasn’t violating Sec. 8 because the differences in treatment of various groups wasn’t “imposts and excises,” but TAX BENEFITS. And once it’s ruled, it would take a new case to get SCOTUS to consider it again. The Court isn’t always right — which is why it’s NOT supposed to have the final word. I think Roberts screwed up, big-time.
        But I DON’T know where you get the notion that “Government representatives…are part of the elites that are not paying the tax.” ELITES DO PAY TAXES (witness the recent fuss with Rachel Maddow trying to use the President’s purloined tax returns to prove otherwise, andc falling on her face), although they may be able to take huge deductions that reduce what they owe (again, as President Trump apparently). In any case, “our government representatives” would NOT be the ones to “uphold this ruling” or NOT uphold it. Congress doesn’t GET to “uphold rulings,” period. That’s SCOTUS’s job, and they DID it. That’s the whole problem — they DID uphold Obamacare.
      - MAHB001
        
        The “Supreme Court” is no longer Supreme in my mind…. They have been compromised, just like both political parties no longer works for the Constitution. The Constitution describes a Government of the People, by the people, and for the people. What we now have is a Government of the Elites, By the Elites, and for the Control of the People by the Elites.
        
        One just has to look at the word machinations that the court and once independent Chief Justice Roberts. had to go through to make 0bamacare “Constitutional” it is obvious to even the most causal observer that the court is politicized.
        
        When injustice becomes law, Resistance becomes duty.
        
        As for 0bamacare, most DEMOCRATS and Elite politicians have hypocritically opted out of 0bamacare as they have other choices…
      - thereasonableman
        
        Of, by and for is Lincoln, not the Const, which enshrined slavery, senate elected by state legislatures ( elites of the day) etc, etc. The amendment process over the years mad it more democratic The POTUS and his cabinet are elites as well, economic elites. Don’t expect them to look after you before themselves- who will benefit the most from the Ryan-Trump AHCA tax credits? The economic elites
      - RightWriter
        
        The “elites” won’t get the AHCA tax credits — they’ll be limited to middle class and below. The “elites” don’t NEED them.
        
        You’re right that the Constitution (written in 1787) envisioned a far less “democratic” society than we have now. We have ELIMINATED slavery and allowed the public to elect legislature members — although if you take a look at a list that shows the educational background and incomes of members of those state legislatures, you MAY BE SURPRISED AT HOW AVERAGE — NON-ELITE — THEY ARE!
        
        You’re also right that the POTUS and Cabinet members ARE usually members of an economic elite — though again, I think you’d be surprised at how MANY average guys & gals they include. Also I am having some trouble imagining a bunch of genuinely POOR people holding those jobs. Middle class, sure, but poor? No education or very little schooling? Work experience, maybe, digging ditches or cooking someone else’s meals? Do you REALLY want our national leaders to be the LEAST EDUCATED among us?
      - MAHB001
        
        The POTUS and his cabinet are not Political Big Government Elites. Your red herring deflection has fallen on deaf ears. The POTUS and his cabinet are working FOR the people, and promised to give the Country back to the people…
        
        You argue semantics which prove nothing.
        
        The Constitution DESCRIBES a Government of the people by the people and for the people, which defeated slavery…. Besides, who cares who actually said it? The point is that our Government was of the people, by the people and for the people, but the Elites have changed that into a version of communism.
        
        The Constitution also describes a REPUBLIC, and not a democracy…. I would submit to you that the amendments under your own definition that are designed make America more democratic are designed to destroy the Constitution. To degrade our REPUBLIC to a democracy… Or in other words, mob rule.
        
        You do know that the downfall of communism and socialism is that they always run out of other peoples money…
        
        When the cancer of 0bamacare (Socialized medicine) is excised from our society, EVERYBODY will benefit.
        
        ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
        —–Lenin
        
        “The goal of socialism is communism.”
        —–Lenin
        
        Connect the dots.
      - RightWriter
        
        Actually, the Constitution says NOTHING like “a Government of the People, by the People, and for the
        People.” Those words come from Abraham Lincoln’s GETTYSBURG ADDRESS, from 1863 — 87 years AFTER the Constitution. And like any other speech, IT HAS NO LEGAL FORCE at all. It’s RHETORIC — NOT law.
        
        I agree that Chief Justice Roberts erred (he, like the rest of us, is human) in upholding (not “making”) Obamacare constitutional. But his reasoning didn’t involve much in the way of “machinations.” Rightly or wrongly, he feared the Supreme Court would lose its standing as the HIGH COURT if it was used to override the political will — which HAD, after all, PASSED Obamacare into law with the approval of the President, representing the EXECUTIVE branch. In other words, Roberts was thinking: “the LEGISLATIVE branch passed it. The EXECUTIVE branch endorsed it. The PEOPLE (at that time: OPPOSITION set in later) seem to WANT it. If the Court votes it down, WE will be taking on our shoulders responsibility for OVERRIDING BOTH THE ELECTED BRANCHES.
        
        He was, I think, WRONG, but like I said, we ALL make mistakes now and then. And it WAS NOT “injustice”: it was an OUTCOME you (and I) don’t like. That doesn’t make it unjust (maybe dumb, but not unjust), and in my view does NOT call for “resistance.” It was a bad decision, not a call to arms.
        
        You will like the Court a LOT better starting in late April or May, when Associate Justice Neil Gorsuch takes his seat. So will the President. So will I.
      - MAHB001
        
        Here we go again… I SAID DESCRIBES….
        
        So you are saying that the Constitution does NOT describe a Government of the people by the people and for the people?? If that is your argument, make it..
        
        In many’s mind including mine, Chief Justice Roberts ruling caused the Supreme Court to lose its standing as the High Court…. It was the first example in my lifetime that showed that the Supreme Court bowing to political will….
        
        NOTE that you correctly used POLITICAL WILL, and not the public’s will.
        
        The public never voted for 0bamacare, nor did the Republicans. AND our Government used unprecedented political tricks and machinations of our laws to “pass 0bamacare.”
        
        Indeed 0bamacare was forced into law by one political party which has been overtaken by Elites and could just as easily be called the Communist party as the Democrat party…
        
        ‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialized State.’
        —–Lenin
        
        “The goal of socialism is communism.”
        —–Lenin
        
        It is easy to connect the dots as to why the Communist in control of the Democrat party passed 0bamacare…
      - RightWriter
        
        I’m not saying the Lincoln quote isn’t a good summary of our Constitutional system, though at the risk of being too wordy I’d rather he’d said “the government of the people, for the people, and BY THE PEOPLE’S REPRESENTATIVES,” because we have a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY, and it’s actually the people’s ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES that make the laws.
        
        I agree Obamacare was NOT voted for by “the people” (who never get to vote specifically on legislation under our system, see previous paragraph) or by Republicans (who ALL opposed it in Congress). And yes, the Democrats did employ a variety of tricks to win support for Obama’s top priority-program. And yes, it’s arguable that the
        Dems have been taken over by “elites,” though I think the UNIONS that in 2009 were still an important part of the Democrat coalition might not quite qualify as “elites.”
        I DO quarrel with your lumping Communism with the “elites” of the Democrat party — they’re more nearly COEXISTING RIVALS than allies, never mind being the same thing. But what the heck, communism seems to be making a comeback as our favorite bete noire, and I can’t say I really object. It’s BETTER when we have a FOCAL
        POINT for our anger.
        
        I’ve read Lenin, too (and not just a book of quotations). The only problem with your analysis is that, while Communism EMPLOYED the GOAL (never achieve) of universal health care as one of its more palatable objectives, communism doesn’t DEPEND on universal health care. It can exist with NO health care, or health care only for Party members, or any other arrangement. The DEMOCRATS passed Obamacare NOT because they’re communists (or taken over by communists, or whatever), but because plain-vanilla, NON-Communist DEMOCRATS have ALSO been in favor of it, for decades.
        
        It’s like libertarians and conservatives: we may fight about a lot of stuff, but basically we ALL want SMALLER GOVERNMENT. That doesn’t make conservatives libertarian, or libertarians conservative — it just means we share THAT particular objective.
      - MAHB001
        
        Excellent conversation.
        
        There are numerous reasons why I say the Elites are Communists. Lets start with some definitions, from the dictionary.
        
        Communism – Marxist- Leninist system.
        the Marxist-Leninist version of a classless society in which capitalism is overthrown by a working-class revolution that gives ownership and control of wealth and property to the state.
        
        Socialism – Political system of communal ownership
        a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles
        
        Capitalism – Free-Market System
        an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit
        
        ———
        
        Crony Capitalism= Crony Communism and is just a form of Communism… Crony Capitalism is where Big Government and Big Business collude for the profit of Big Government and Big Business. How is that any different than in Communism where the State controls the means of production?
        
        Big Government = Communism..
        
        In Communism, the people are slaves to the State. Americas form of Big Government is taxation to redistribute the wealth. I say that if you are taxed 30% of your earnings you are 30% enslaved by the State. Here in CA, estimates show that we are taxed and fee-ed close to 50% of what we earn. That is close to 50% enslaved to the State. Now add in 0bamacare, which is 10-11% of our earnings, and we are well over the 50% mark. At what point do you think one is enslaved to the system.
        
        There is a reason why pure socialism does not exist on Earth. Because humans have not progressed passed the point of selfishness and greed. They do not want to work for the collective, they will work for themselves.
        
        I think Lenin knew this when he said that the goal of socialism is communism. He knew that mankind needs a ruling class or dictator to force them to work for the state… The same goes for the employment of socialized medicine to achieve communism. All this does is take a very important part of a humans life, (their health) and put it under the control of the State…
- Marcy Gruber Johnston
  
  I agree. I am tired of being forced to pay for everyone to have health care. Go to an insurance agency and buy it. It is not my responsibility to insure anyone but me. Repeal and then let the free market take over. Competition will lower the prices.
  - Combatvet52
    
    Me too, you are so very right…….It’s costing me $12.000 a year just for the supplement
gotabgood

EDUCATION IS AN INVESTMENT

Public Education is being cut by 13%!

Ironic Public College use to be free right here in the USofA.

Now they are getting rich on the backs of your kids!

Any time you bring the dollar into ANY program/plan the
program will dwindle, while incentive to make more money grows, which creates
the opportunity for lying, cheating or flat out embezzling. Much like Charter Schools.

For those of you that are a little skeptical of what Trump
is doing or trying to do, with his billionaire cabinet and Russian associations.

Just as money in politics is bad, money in education is
worse. It is a training to our kids that
the bottom line is more important than the product….. OUR KIDS!!

https://weaponsofmassdeception.org/3-charter-school-kid-prisons/3-3-why-charter-schools-are-fraud-factories

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Florida’s Charter
Schools

Unsupervised

http://interactive.sun-sentinel.com/charter-schools-unsupervised/investigation.html

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How will charter schools deal with their corruption scandals?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/08/08/how-will-charter-schools-deal-with-their-corruption-scandals/

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- ISIS McCain
  
  Please go read Dante’s Inferno………the lowest level of hell is being reserved for folks like you…..traitors to your own people…..like McCain, Graham, Cheney, W. Bush, Romney……even Glenn Beck!!!!
  - gotabgood
    
    Does Reagan fit in there too?
    After all he gave weapons to our enemy and trained them…wouldn’t that make him a traitor?
- chief1937
  
  Don’t mean to argue with you but I am over 80 and can not remember when collage was free. Please enlighten me. Schools have always been paid by tax dollars as far as I know.
  - gotabgood
    
    That is true… mainly property tax paid for schools.. maybe I should have said tuition free. or low tuition
    
    But here is one website that has many links to check out and also has a pretty good search engine for finding what you want…
    
    http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/feb/09/bernie-s/was-college-once-free-united-states-and-it-oversea/
gotabgood

EPA CUT BY 31% !!

It is hard for me to understand why people would stand for
this. Even the people that suggested
this cut is NOT immune to the effects that cutting this program WILL have on
ALL of us!

Some of its functions;

Environmental licensing

Enforcement of environmental law

Environmental planning, education and
guidance

Monitoring, analyzing and reporting on the
environment

Regulating Ireland’s greenhouse gas emissions

Environmental research development

Strategic environmental assessment

Waste management

Radiological protection

Under each of those headings could be a further break-down.

True story. I was born and raised in a small town which had a lake right at the edge
of the town. We swam in it, fished in it. They built a new sewage plant across
the lake, (this was before EPA) and they dumped it into the lake. Soon they closed the lake to swimming and
later to fishing. A few years later, the sewage plant was closed, the
lake cleaned up, but most of the older folks, still will not go into the water…
they remember.

If you have 100 employees and your budget was cut by 10%,
you would lay off 10 workers just to stay even, maybe 11 or 12 if you wanted to
make a profit… but you would expect the same amount of work to be done as when
you had a full crew. So you would
require longer hours (non-union) and maybe more days. And maybe cut some
corners, because product is not as important as bottom line. Now think about cutting your budget 31% ON TOP
of the previous cuts you have endured.. you are down to skeleton crew of maybe
50%

That is the results of Flint, Michigan, that is the results
Charleston, West Virginia.

The many explosions that have taken place in Texas. The fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas. A Chemical plant exploded in Conroe, Texas.

And here comes your laughing point (for those of you that
are ignorant/stupid). Global warming is
real.

I will give even Republicans credit for
not constructing roadways, parks, parking lots, walkways and buildings where
they know that at high tide that place would be flooded.

But yet that is exactly what happened! Buildings, roads, parking lots are all being
flooded.

You do know what a record means right? When Mike Phelps broke swim records that
means never before in history has someone swam that fast. Not 25 years ago someone was faster, not 50
years, not 100 years..NEVER.

Heat records are being broken every year, not just in USA,
but all over the world and especially our snow caps.

And now we have Scott Pruitt, his once firm (unshakeable)
home state of Oklahoma, now thanks to fracking gone wild has more earthquakes
than California.

Now some videos;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIMrq_-JiZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SogJ5NHbOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7abSExQ-10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Il8Ehx_Zm8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkByMwwYWKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vswWc3IE0oA

THINK!!
allenhip

REMEMBER WHAT TRUMP PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL…

HE LIES AGAIN, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND HAS NO CREDIBILITY WORLD WIDE. REPLACE AND REPEAL HA, HA, HA, HA.

Replace it with a bill that has a major tax break for the top one percent and call it a new health incentive program. Or if Trump repeals ACA and fails to have a replacement bill with a true comprehensive health coverage bill, then he will be accused of killing more Americans than 911 did for each year there is no coverage for the 30 million who lost their coverage.

We now see that there were a VERY LARGE number Republican’s who took advantage of Obamacare.

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- gotabgood
  
  I hope you don’t mind I copied your post… I will help you spread the TRUTH!
  - ISIS McCain
    
    Who are you sending a copy to, your master George Soros…the traitor that helped the N@tzies during WWII?
    I heard he’s already bought a mansion in Hades for all you cliff leaping zombies!!
    - gotabgood
      
      Once again sucking on all those alternative facts has blurred your vision, destroyed your brain… I will present facts to you about who helped the Nazis..
      
      But in the mean time it was Reagan who was a traitor. he gave our enemy weapons and trained them, even went behind closed doors to get it done.
      
      NAZI BUSH
      
      George
      Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and
      shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the
      financial backers of Nazi Germany.
      
      The Guardian has obtained confirmation from
      newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which
      Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of
      Nazism.
      
      His business dealings, which continued until
      his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act,
      has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in
      Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and
      to a hum of pre-election controversy.
      
      The evidence has also prompted one former US
      Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator’s action should have
      been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
      
      The debate over Prescott Bush’s behaviour has
      been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet
      chatter about the “Bush/Nazi” connection, much of it inaccurate and
      unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year,
      show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already
      significant information about the Nazis’ plans and policies, he worked for and
      profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that
      financed Hitler’s rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he
      made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up
      its political dynasty.
      
      http://www.?guardian.?co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
      
      You see grandpa bush didn’t mind the killing of 1000’s
      Americans, Britt’s and innocent
      people…. so why would gwb be any different….say around 9/11?
      
      And now we can add Trump,, he is going to kick millions off
      healthcare and I am sure some will die, while others suffer… but hey… he likes
      torture too…
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- Michael Dennewitz
  
  And yet another liberal dipshit blocked. Where are these asswipes being bred? ??
- ISIS McCain
  
  Oye vey, oye vey, oye vey!
  Can’t you guys take the Lord’s day off and tell your globalist masters that you need a little time off?
- GODBlessRealAmerica!
  
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gotabgood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco
VirgoVince

DON’T blame Republicans, BLAME the rinos; it’s ryancare and he’s a rino idiot!!
WE NEED to ‘repeal and replace’ ryan, FIRST!!
- ISIS McCain
  
  Those RINOs are on Soros’ protected species list!!! Time to arrest the ringleader himself who has donated million of dollars to guys like Ryan, Mac and Graham!!
Cadfael

Ryan likes his RINOcare, well, he can keep it! As a matter of fact, when it goes away, so can he!
Normie G

What we have currently will die on its own, it is in stage 4 as we speak. It wasn’t designed to live beyond the past administration. There has already been weeks of discussion and compromise put into the plan. Meetings with anyone willing to put a word in. The obstructionists won’t even play, they just want to hate anything the new administration suggests. Everyone will have the option to buy the plan they think they need, just like car insurance. There is so much concern of radicals infiltrating our country, seems half of Washington has radicals of their own. No wonder they cannot see the dangers from outside our country and the foreign haters, we have our very own right here on the hill. Hate, Hate, Hate!!! I bet their constituents are so proud of the work they are doing on their behalf. Someone ought to tell the left they do have constituents!
- thereasonableman
  
  There is @ least one flaw in your logic: I bet your state has mandatory car insurance and you have to have uninsured motorist insurance to protect you from the person who drives without it. You are going to pay for those who are irresponsible one way or the other, car or medical.
graybuffalo

Believe the polls? You mean the same polls that had Hillary destroying Trump in the election? Forget about it.
- Michael Dennewitz
  
  If ANYONE is idiotic enuf to believe the polls, I have an aircraft carrier in my back yard that’s for sale. ??
  - ISIS McCain
    
    You may soon be the only one in America, including the Pentagon, having an aircraft carrier, cause as soon as Trump starts WWIII with China, Russia and Iran………gurgle, gurgle, gurgle your carrier will be the only one left!!
  - chief1937
    
    Is that with or without the aircraft? And does the price include delivery charges?
Mimi

I am old enough to know that everything the government gets involved in eventually turns to crap. There should be safeguards for poor people, but otherwise it should be a free market business. The spiral began in about 1965 when the Medicare Program started. Before that, most hospitals were philanthropic organizations – in my town the Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, etc. ran the whole show – except for the County and Veterans Hospitals. When the gov got involved, businessmen (?) talked the Sisters and other administrators into letting them run the “business”…that is when the costs started spiraling out of control. During my lifetime, 80 plus years, this is this the only era when it is even a huge subject of discussion, and is actually more costly for the patients due to high co-pays and large deductibles. I would like to see some actual stats beginning with this spiral since 1965. I know it is contradictory to say free market and philanthropic in the same discussion, but it did work back then for everyone. The government sticks its head under the tent and the tent collapses in time.
- Paul Smith
  
  Safeguards for poor people? Why? I can go along with safeguards for orphans. I can go along with temporary safeguards for widows, especially those with children. I can go along with safeguards for the severely mentally impaired and those physically incapable of caring for themselves. The rest need to find a way to care for themselves.
  - Mimi
    
    You are exactly right and that is what I mean about safeguards. Maybe I should say unfortunate circumstances – that do occur in the scheme of things. Hopefully, temporarily…
  - David in MA
    
    Isn’t this what the Bible teaches? Looks like we need GOD back in America, and not the muslim god, but YAHWEH!
    - ISIS McCain
      
      How dare you make fun of the moon god…….who is less like a god and more like a mafia chieftain!!
      - David in MA
        
        Mind explaining further so the ignorant can understand?
  - thereasonableman
    
    So if you just got laid off at US Steel in Lorain, OH lost your ins, can’t find another job, lose your house, go broke and get sick, you are just supposed to die so you won’t be a burden to the rest of us? How about suicide- would that work for you?
- thereasonableman
  
  Yes, it was so much nicer when the Little Sisters of the Poor ran the hosp and the Dr took a dozen eggs or a chicken for payment when he made a housecall. (And you died of TB or pneumonia or cancer between 60 – 70). Today private Hosp co.s like Hosp Corp of American and for profit nursing homes make millions for their owners and so called not for profits turn into mega hosp that build and build to spend their revenues w/o tax. When is the last time you saw a Dr driving a Buick(used to be called “The Dr’s car) now they got to have a Mercedes just after med school. So all you have to do is undo 50+ years of the entire medical industrial complex and go back to those simpler days before Medicare. Good luck with that-too many people make millions $$$ out of the system as it is- and the Ryan-Trump plan won’t change that- they are just tinkering around the edges of the programs that are designed to provide care to those who can’t afford comprehensive health insurance. In order to help clean up this 50 year old spiral are you willing to give up your Medicare?
Paul Smith

What you see here is nothing more than a bunch of ‘don’t you DARE cut MY favorite programs’.

Big government is destroying us and all you can say is MORE!, MORE! Your grandchildren will suffer for your greed.
- Harry Hodge
  
  If don’t care about any thing other than what the system can do for me or my state you have what the last 20 years have been. Don’t change the laws to make it OK if you go out of budget. You can not spend your way out of the problems of the past. Taking money from medicare or Social security to pay for other less value added programs where against the law in years past. To run out of tax payer money should tell you something.Make the system run in Black not in the RED, ALLWAYS!!!!!! Any Government unit that shows a negative budget needs to have better people in it. REMOVE them from Office as soon as possible and don’t wait for there term to end. ANY group of people elected into office must work together or remove all of them. No party lines , just solve the problems or remove the ONES who won’t plat nice.
suz

Just get rid of the whole thing. They need to take their time on a replacement as this is so complicated. There was nothing wrong with the system before the Jerk Obama put his socialist Obamacare through.
suz

The real problem began when the Gov. got involved in our private lives. What will be next a mandate if you have a vehicle it has to be an electric car. If you have a home it has to be solar power because that is where the Dems. are taking us. If we are going to stop this crap we need to do it now. No more lawyers for Congress only working class people .
- ISIS McCain
  
  You’re talking about the left’s Agenda 21, where the commies tell you how many sheets of paper you can use in the morning when you are doing your bathroom paperwork.
  Research Agenda 21, and make up your own mind!!!
- thereasonableman
  
  Roe v Wade, Griswold v. Conn, etc got the gov’t out of people’s private lives, and now the so called conservatives want to dictate those choices for you- Just depends on what part of your private life those in charge want to meddle in
- RightWriter
  
  Well, having more Republicans and conservatives in Congress will help take care of the “Democrats want to run our lives” problem. As to “only working class people” in Congress: NOT such a good idea. I have no problem letting working class people run and WIN if their constituents want them, but it IS very useful to have SOME people in Congress who KNOW HOW LAWS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK (and how they are MADE). Especially nowadays, in this era of high schools that don’t teach ANY government or civics, or teach COMMUNISM instead of free people and free markets, you’re gonna have to be VERY careful making up a Congress with ANY SINGLE TYPE of person.
  
  The STRENGTH of Congress is that it DOES have people from ALL WALKS OF LIFE, from highly trained lawyers (MANY of whom are on OUR side, btw) and doctors (who might just have some good ideas about how to restructure health insurance) to teachers to accountants (who might just be able to keep track of the budget better than, say, lawyers OR brick-layers) to the assembly line workers and brick-layers you apparently want. Otherwise you’re going to have UNELECTED STAFF MEMBERS and the UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS who run the federal agencies (under the noses of their politically appointed bosses) IN COMPLETE CHARGE of the national legislature. Believe me, you DO NOT want THAT!
Carol

So by your own words 63% of republicans love it! And who cares what the handout, freebie democrats want? American voters have spoken and WON! The democrats will never be happy because no matter how much you give them they will always want more.
David in MA

The republican replacement bill is an Obama lite bill and we can thank RINO Ryan and his fellow RINO’s…… (who probably are invested heavily in big pharma)
John Williams

Obamacare was never about health care, it was always about control of the masses. GOP care will wind up the same, the only way to fix it is to get the government OUT of it. Health care is NOT a right, you are not entitled to it, there will always be a segment of society that needs help and the taxpayer will subsidize that one way or another, but that should not include the control of everyone just to subsidize a few. Anyone who thinks that the addition of a government bureaucracy and a bunch un-knowledgeable bureaucrats in the middle of ANYTHING will make things cheaper, needs mental help. The cry by the left that 20-30 Million will lose health insurance, (remember there is a difference between insurance and real care) is typical left wing BS, there is no question a few may lose, but the overwhelming majority of that number will be people who leave by CHOICE, people who against their will, were forced into obamacare. Stop lobbying by insurance companies, get people involved to the extent that the choices they make on healthcare allow them to save money but still have skin in the game, open insurance sales across state lines forcing for more completion, make drug companies bid for the privilege to provide drugs for Medicare, remove some of the regulations that force doctors to have to have extra people just to do all the paperwork and try to keep up with regulations to pacify the government and work on frivolous lawsuits, a major driving force in the cost of medical care, just to cover “malpractice insurance,” obmacare did none of that. Make double sure medical care IS NOT being provided to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN ANY FORM.
- ISIS McCain
  
  Or to enemy combatants, as in the jihadis that have snuck into the U.S.!!
- thereasonableman
  
  My god, all your suggested cures-“stop lobbying, make drug companies bid, make insurance sales across state lines”-require major government interventions to control business activity and upset states rights. Hope you never have a family member or yourself injured by medical malpractice-it’ll be a mind changer for you. Med-mal is a very small part of medical system expense and every state I know requires an MD to certify that at least a plausible claim exists before the case gets beyond the filing stage plus major limitations on damages, i.e. non-economic losses and punitive damages. No decent PI atty takes shaky cases any more- costs a lot to prove and judicial sanctions if you can’t get past a 12(b) motion to dismiss
Tiger

Trump ran on draining the swamp yet he has to go the top snakes to get anything done. Did anyone honestly believe that these vermin, taking money for their campaigns and being badgered by Lobbyists would write anything that was not filled with gifts for those very people? How could they? What is Trump to do? The best he can do is demand certain things be in this Bill, folks O care imploding, Trump already said he would prefer it do just that but then how would he be condemned when that happened?

Now we must all understand, for all the years insurance has been out there millions of people have decided to stay uninsured. They know they can go to the ER, they know about the Victim’s programs that pay when someone is beaten etc by a criminal, they know about the free health offered them by the country and state, just look in the front of your phone books. So this isn’t about health care, it is about insurance that people can afford.

The good in the Bill may outweigh the bad, it isn’t finalized yet. What was Trump to do?
- thereasonableman
  
  Tiger, nothing is free in life, you and I are paying for the uninsured care @ the ER, victims programs, public clinics etc etc. You are paying thru higher premiums for yourself, higher bills when you go to the hosp and taxes to fund the public clinics- it’s just a question of how and who you pay.
  - Tiger
    
    I am well aware of that but the fact remains there will always be those who don’t get insurance and I am pissed that nobody is making that distinction and deceiving everyone, in fact I am really pissed that Trump has not said at one of his rallies, Hey Congress and government workers all the people want the same damned insurance you have. OK and by the way why do representatives including the president get anything let them pay for it.
    - thereasonableman
      
      Congress and their staffs do pay, same options as all other fed employees- ask your Congressperson
      - Tiger
        
        I didn’t say they didn’t pay I said I would like for Trump to remind them and all government workers that they have insurance that perhaps ought to be for everyone in this country cause it sure isn’t Ryan or Obama care. They wanted no part of that. You know ye old walk in others moccasins. “)
      - Tiger
        
        Just looked it up they have a choice among 300 plans how about that and all sorts of goodie programs to join. Boy Howdy.
nancy miller

Excuse me, but I Have kept up,on the so-called health bill and I have no idea what is in it! Some areas that have leaked I agree with but the basic idea of government controlled anything is a loser as far as their record shows. Example Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.
The General public cannot have an opinion yet. This seems to be a made up story. Again.
- allenhip
  
  Nancy if you want to find out just how bad the new bill is go to:
  https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486
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  - ISIS McCain
    
    Oye Vey
    
    Let’s just simplify all the BS noise out there!
    
    There are 2 camps!
    
    One is the global corporatist camp. It believes in global governance by an unelected cadre of international elitist bureaucrats staffed by the globalist corporations. It’s adherents are obviously Soros, Oboma, Clinton, McCain, Romney, the Bush Family, Schumer, Pelosi, John Bolton and many, many more, such as much of Hollywood, and the late night TV crowd, like Col-bert, Stewart and Maher, as well as MSM characters such as Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer, Billy
    Kristol. They are traitors to the U.S. Constitution in my opinion!
    
    The other camp is the nationalist, America First camp. It believes in U.S, sovereignty and local democracy, where the people control their own governance!! It’s adherents are Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Jeff Sessions, Trey Gowdy, Jason Chaffetz, Rand Paul, and hopefully, and I sincerely say hopefully, Donald J. Trump!!!
    
    Go ahead folks, take your choice while it’s still a free world!!
  - Mimi
    
    How about trying to get the government out of the whole shebang!! Take care of yourself – in years past, it was between you and your doctor and a hospital, if necessary. Helpless bunch of pampered populace don’t know what self-reliance is. What a shame….
  - nancy miller
    
    Read it. Any plan will fail because not everyone is on it. The base is too small to support any plan they come up,with. We need to have President Trump include members of the House and Senate together with government workers and just watch them fix it.
    - thereasonableman
      
      They are in it- they -the House & Senate have to get their Fed Employee Med ins through a state exchange- yes they can get the same ins as any other fed employee or opt out and find their own- guess what-most of them get the FEHB plans
  - GODBlessRealAmerica!
    
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William Konrad

You can’t judge health care bill until you pass it…Nancy Pelosi. Or have the rules changed since she decided to make that statement? Quote “you have to pass it to now what’s in it”, that was about Obama care.
- Rich
  
  It was always a stool specimen.
Dan

Like the Dems did with obama care you need to approve it to see what’s in it! It worked for them it should work for us that believe in a Great American again!
April Stoner

It is clear the communist obama leftovers are never going to even try to work with
Republicans, so if nothing gets done, it will be because of the do nothing, special investigations, whether they like it or not, they are not, they Are not going to do anything to work with the President, it use to be, when the democrats were adults, they accepted reality, they played the game with dignity and respect, not to mention, their fight use to be for the people that voted them in. However the Dems that have turned communist, play our constitution like its a game. So,
I can’t see the communist party growing into a civilized party, therefore we must
Encourage President Trump to eliminate all non American supporters in our
government, and add to constitution that vetting for Dems to be done by the Republicans, and Republicans vetted by Dems, if we want to have a sovereign
Country again. if we don’t get down to the ugly of the commie’s, and use obamas Commie tactics, the old PC farce, you know the obama PC “Pretend you Care” in Public only! If the obama types are not eliminated and laws put in place
To ensure the only candidates with the American values, understanding of our American history and believe in the United States and the Constitution. If we don’t, the United States will be 52 different countries, with 52 different ideology, and 52 wana-be dictators with visions of being head thug of the uncivilized nation of hate and violence. Loosing America to Radical Muslims is not an option, but is very much imbedded in our government, I call them the obama elite Radical Muslim wana-be’s with the addiction to Greed and Power. That does not represent what America has achieved in its development as a free country, the country all other lesser country’s want to be in and now feel they have the rights
Americans have earned and paid into for their own citizens. Americans are no longer accepted in the democratic communist dictatorship, the party of hate and bigotry. This must end!
jreg9304

The average cost for an overnight observation visit in the hospital is 15-20 thousand dollars. 1 prescribed medication is 60-90 dollars. what the heck is actually going on here in America, when the medcare facilities are allowed to charge these exorbitant amounts? something has to be done and fast. totally get rid of Obama’s nightmare and start from scratch. we the American people deserve a lot better than the half rhino’s and off the wall elected politicians are trying to shove down our throats. Elites, Boloney! they were elected and can just as easily be voted out or impeached.
Aunt Dot

THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!! THERE ARE MANY OF US DYING TO GET OUT OF ODUMB-ASS CARE!!! THERE WAS A TIME WHEN FREEDOM OF CHOICE WAS AMERICAN….. THE muslim SON OF A WHORE TOOK ALL THAT AWAY AND IS PUSHING HIS SYCOPHANTS TO CONTINUE TO PUSH HIS AGENDA!!! WE HAVE A NEW LEADER….. A MUCH, MUCH BETTER, MORE HUMANE, MORE AMERICAN THAN THAT muslim PIECE OF SHIT EVER WAS!!!
RightWriter

Since there IS no final version of the Republican health care (really health INSURANCE, not “care”) bill yet, this survey is ridiculous. It’s like asking someone if they liked a novel based on just Chapter One.
Take a deep breath, folks, and wait for the ACTUAL BILL — at which point it will be rational to decide if you support it or not.
buffalobob826

They are no different than the Democrats they full control over everyone’s lives
buffalobob826

Either toe the line or no health care
Dannie Poe

Government attempted to give us mandatory Obamacare without the will of the people and we now know it is imploding. Now the Republicans want to give us mandatory healthcare again and like Obamacare it will fail. Why? The people never wanted forced healthcare. All they ever wanted is lower healthcare cost. This universal healthcare is the idea of politicians and was never acceptable of hard working taxpayers. The taxpayers have been shouldering the burden of paying for programs they never wanted long enough. Trump is 100% correct. The people receive no benefits from Establishment Politics. The rich get richer while the poor get poorer. The Establishment Politicians have created a realm of it’s own, above and apart from, the people it was meant to represent. Now the people know their vote is not even Political Correct, thus we have seen the true face of politics. The Liberal Left in our government controls the people. They have made Socialism acceptable in the US. If anyone were to read our US Constitution they would know this is not the way US Government was never meant to be constructed. It can be said that those who understand and support Constitutional Representation have been betrayed by their government. Obama and the Liberal Left have presented to the people of the US a new concept of government in the US. This concept is Political Correct Socialism run not by the people, but by the Elite in this nation.
My country

In a free society no one has the right to expect the government to supply your insurance . We have welfare and clinics and Medicaid all of which cover the poor .And now we have white people who are not privileged being turned down because of color. And all of which were designed to cover you during a crisis not to be permanently stayed on . These benefits are solely for legal Americans not illegals . If this were not so you just go to another country and see what they will give you . Not being a citizen of that country . Americans have never had their hands out and have always taken care of themselves until Obama . But they have dumped millions of illegals into these systems and expect Legal Americans to work their butts off to supply them with free care . Nothing is free and it all comes at a cost . This is a way of controlling Americans and sadly they have bought into the free give me crowd. Apparently these people were never told they had to work for what they get that nothing is free not even your freedom . The very freedoms they so readily are willing to give away . Try doing without your many pleasures and using that money for your own care .
James Andrews

Both the ACA and this plan completely stink! Get rid of it ALL, and start over, or just stay out of my health care!
RsGoat

There are lies, Damn lies and then there are statistics!Or in this case more poles?
The term was popularized in United States by Mark Twain who attributed it to England’s Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield
Combatvet52

Must be all liberal minded people who oppose it.
Bob Wexler

Everyone keeps equating health insurance with health care. Tjey are two independent but interdependent items. When you lower thest of HEALTH CARE you will probably lower the cost of health insurance,
One way to lower the cost of HEALTH CARE is to make the COST clear to the consumer. When you go to a car dealer, a hardware store or a grocery store the prices are clearly posted, Many people will look at the posted price and negotiate a lower price, Some will look and walk away empty handed, Some will pay the posted price,

When you “buy” health care, they ask if you have insurance. If you say yes they invite you in and tell you what they are going to do for you and say sign here, Later you see a bill that requires a masters degree in accounting to understand and a bottom line that says please remit this amount now, Most people never even notice the $20 aspirin on page 17.
If we walked into a restaurant with no prices on the menu most would either walk out or ask for a menu with prices.

So, in my opinion step one is repeal the ACA completely.
Step two, require all medical services to clearly disclose pricing.
Step three impose a formula for legal limits on malpractice awards.
Step four allow for the sale of health insurance across state lines.
Allow groups to negotiate the cost of health insurance for their members who may purchase if they choose.
Allow for medical or health savings accounts.
Audit VA, Medicare and Medicaid for fraud and crack down on those involved in fraud.
Allow the states to deal with solutions for preexisting conditions and those who can not pay for insurance or needed care.
People could then vote with their feet and their wallets.
Glenda Hammer

It’s called Free Market. Let people choose what insurance company they want, since they’re the ones paying the premiums.
The people complaining are the ones who want to continue with having the government pay their premiums. Thanks to Bush and Obama, the government is broke and can’t do that anymore. People who can’t afford to pay their own premiums, will have to sign up for Medicaid.
JC

I am 100% against the GOP leadership health care bill —-come on folks we voted for total repeal of Obamacare–let’s make the GOP leadership do what we the people voted for them to do—REPEAL OBAMACARE TOTALLY RIGHT NOW
Mr Lee Edwards

The ACA was predicated on two major lies. Lie No. 1 – A large number of Americans had no health coverage. Lie No. 2 – Health insurance equals health coverage.
Every Emergency Room/Trauma Center in the US is required by law to accept and treat every patient who comes to them, whether insured or not regardless of race, creed, sex, gender, national origin, ability to pay, etc. If the patient can’t pay the taxpayer will pick up the tab. The end result is they receive health coverage.
The ACA required everyone to purchase qualified health insurance which was subsidized by taxpayers for low-income families or face heavy fines. Problem solved, right? WRONG! The ACA added a whole raft of taxes, fees and regulations to the cost of care but only paid health care providers 40% to 60% of the bill. Many providers refused to accept these policies resulting in no timely care for many patients.
The AHCA currently before the House keeps most of the bad of the ACA without improving the health care situation in this country.
RST54

There is NO Republican healthcare plan right now. That’s because Republicans are arguing over the plan and it will be changed upteenth times until a COMPROMISE plan is worked out that everyone can agree on. No one will get everything they want, but everyone will get something. This is the way politics is SUPPOSED to work, rather than having the President shove what he wants down everyone’s throat.(cf. Obummer!). Trump is being very smart by largely staying out of the debate but giving his input and letting Republicans hammer out a bill that everyone can accept (rather than a bill that has to be passed so we can find out what’s in it).
thereasonableman

Think about this:

Matthew 25:34-36
Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are
blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was
thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you
welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you
took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.”

Many of you posting here claim to be God fearing Christians, but based on most of your posts the only church you have been to lately is the church of “God wants me to be rich.” He doesn’t. What He wants is for you to do what Jesus taught. Otherwise you are all like the proverbial rich man who has as much chance for heaven as the camel walking through the eye of the needle.

Most of you write posts that make real practicing Christians think you would throw your own mother under the bus if she couldn’t afford her own health insurance.

“Now, when you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor. You better have a good answer.’” Good luck when you are judged.
JeromefromLayton

The latest health care bill changes the shade of the lipstick on the pig; but it is still a pig. Back in the late 1800s, the Progressives thought the Government should “save us from ourselves”. So, we got the FDA, Prescription laws, and Prohibition. The AMA got a monopoly on medicine and, as sole providers, they got to set the market rates. Another Progressive idea was the Income Tax which became a tool of the social engineers. Big business during WWII was looking for ways to bypass the OPA wage controls and offered free health care (Think Kaiser). Then, they lobbied for that health care becoming a business Expense for tax purposes and the IRS agreed. That’s where the “Who is your Insurance carrier?” question came from when you needed some body repairs. So, now we are in a Demand Pull-Cost Push health care system that, without some moderation (Government?), would blow prices through the stratosphere. If the underlying causes aren’t cured, there will be no meaningful fix. Ronald Reagan was correct: Government IS The Problem.
gotabgood

Grandma will never know….

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Sgt. York

Amazing 54% of Americans disprove of this so called healthcare bill. It’s a Newley remodeled Ovomit care approved by Devilcrats thru RINO RYAN. Problem is it wasent Repealed as promised but made into the Ryan’s revision 2 plan. This plan was approved by the House Devilcrats thru the ok by bath house Berry from his shadow Oval Office then presented to the people,then as per plan the Devilcrats would rant and scream it’s not what we want as the true Scam for Ryan’s stupidity to be passed by Repubs out of spite. This is the Devilcrats Rev.2 not a Repub Rev. They are to slime for Repubs to see thru and I’m worried that even Pres Trump is being duped over it as well. Do No Think for one min. that Ovomit haven’t had a hand in this bill as No Devilcrat is allowed to speak unless he as first approved by his uber God Ovomit has sprinkled his Holy Water on it. Repubs your being scamed by Bath House and your not even aware of it. First Repeal it,exclude RINO RYAN, Have a true group with real medical backgrounds set down and make a plan for the American People that’s for them and not the Repubs or the Devilcrats but the ones who are wanting it and needing it. You have a man that is as efficient at health care as any but your not using him and that’s Dr. Ben Carson. Wake up if you want to become the healthcare heros to America by giving us a plan that’s covers us completely,great costs we can afford,plan for seniors,those with no money but are in neeed and those with existing illnesses. The youn she have to stay in Mommas Basement with a severe case of noworkitis. Time you fulfill your promises Without the RINO hand of RYAN and his Devilcrat Ovomit backer. Be Bold Be Honest and Stand For the American People.
Jonathan Brooks

The Obamacare Bill is a giant chunk of taxes, beloved of the Establishment, and crushing individuals and small businesses under its mandates.
The Establishment loves this stack of garbage, because it gives the medical corporates vast power and money, and floods the government with high tax gains, and the media hides any screaming from people who have coverage they can NEVER use, because of sky high deductables, and insurance so expensive it soaks up anything the pubklic would use for actual primary care.
Arizona Don

Government was not directly involved in healthcare prior to the ACA (obamacare). It, at that time, was considered one of the best in the world if not the best. Costs were increasing because of state line restrictions. Restricting healthcare providers to individual states prevented competition and price increased because of it. The increased competition developed by removing that state line restriction is the only thing capable of reducing consumer cost. Of course as wages and associated costs go up healthcare costs go us as well. However, competition can reduce the amount of increase and keep it manageable. Government involvement always increases costs.

The question is why does government have to replace it? Why does government have to be involved in healthcare at all? The only thing it needs to do is require pre-existing conditions be covered and allow insurance to be purchased over state borders. In other words set some guidelines and get out of the way. Competition will do the rest. But it cannot be done overnight. We knew that when obamacare was passed. We knew it would be difficult to repeal BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. However, now there is no alternative because the ACA is imploding right before our eyes! It was designed to fail. Hillary was supposed to be president so it would become a single payer socialistic government provided insurance. Which was Obama’s goal to start with. Who doesn’t understand that! If government is not kept out of healthcare someone (future president) down the road could simply modify it to give more control to government.

Furthermore, get rid of the restrictions that forbid insurance companies like state farm, nationwide and other car insurance companies from providing healthcare. Competition within the free enterprise system does two things very well. Keeps consumer costs down and quality up. That should be the desire of everyone regardless of political view point.

If American healthcare is to prosper and not just survive government must get out of it. And stay out!
- Combatvet52
  
  True this is no place for GOVERNMENT to put their nose in……..anything run by the GOVERNMENT is always a losing deal…….we should be able to buy insurance anywhere we like.

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