Controversial Senate Torture Report to Be Released

Posted On 08 Dec 2014

A Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA’s past use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” is finally set to be released on Tuesday. The report has garnered controversy, with leaders on both sides of the aisle asking for delay.

“I think this is a terrible idea,” said Rep. Mike Rogers, the Republican chair of the House Intelligence Committee. “Foreign partners are telling us this will cause violence and deaths. Our own intelligence community has assessed that this will cause violence and deaths.”

Secretary of State John Kerry echoed those concerns, asking Senator Dianne Feinstein to consider the timing of the release as it pertains to the safety of our interests around the world. Still, Feinstein – the Senate Intelligence Committee chair – remains committed to the release. The White House has backed the release as well, stating Monday that the government had taken all of the precautionary measures necessary.

An Official Condemnation of Torture

The summary – needed because the full report runs more than 6,000 pages – is expected to throw a harsh spotlight on the techniques used by the CIA under the Bush administration. In the global fight against terror, intelligence agents used such techniques as water boarding, sleep deprivation, “black site” prison incarceration, and other tactics to get to the truth. Officials are concerned that these descriptions could incite violence against our soldiers and embassies around the world.

According to defense officials, thousands of Marines have been put on high alert in anticipation of the report’s release. These Marines are positioned in Africa, the Middle East, the Arabian Sea, Spain, Bahrain, Japan, and elsewhere where attacks could be imminent.

Bush Stands Beside His Agents

For his part, former President George W. Bush was reportedly advised to let the CIA take the fall on this one. According to insiders, the Senate report is going to level accusations against the CIA that they misled the administration when it came to the extent of their torture activities. Showing a backbone that the current president could learn from, though, Bush stood up for the CIA in an interview this weekend.

Speaking with CNN’s Candy Crowley on Sunday, Bush said, “We’re fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the CIA serving on our behalf. These are patriots and whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base.”

An Important Debate

Even if concerns about worldwide violence are unfounded, the report will renew debates regarding the use of torture. Some insist that such techniques put us in the same boat as our enemies, while others claim their effectiveness justifies their use. It’s doubtful that we’ll reach any consensus this time around, but these are important conversations for the country to have. Our war on terror may not be called that anymore, but it is still as active as ever. Americans deserve the chance to discuss how that war should be carried out.

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Larry

What made this country is Americans doing what needed to be done to protect our liberties and some may not be pretty, but we did not cut off heads or kill children with total lack of conscience.
- William Homolka
  
  Indeed, you are correct, Larry. What will this report accomplish?? Sounds like another Obama/liberal apology tour. These jihadists are monsters capable of anything. To get the info out of them to protect American lives here and on the battlefield, we must be ready to do… anything that works. Sorry, it’s the enemy we’re up against and war is not pretty. What about the killing of Americans endorsed by Obama & the Clintons???
- pappadave
  
  Actually not true. Obama’s drone strike programs have killed hundreds of civilians–including children.
Larry

When real Americans stand and face the the forces of ev
- Rick Rogers
  
  yes Larry we do. But you don’t Torture EVER.. We signed Treaties against it. There are other ways that work. Thingabout Torture is that eventually your victim is going to tell you what he thinks you want to hear whither it is true or not. So just think of this Report as Bush and Cheney’s Benghazi. I have people I served with that left pieces of themselves in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan. You start torture their people and they are just going to justifiy that as the reason for doing it to our people.
  - bobda
    
    Just what treaty was that which signed with terrorists?
    - Rick Rogers
      
      The United States signed the UN Convention against Torture on December 10th 1984. It when into effect on 26 June 1987. It was Ratified by the US on 21 Oct 1994. But if you want to know here is the link https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9&chapter=4&lang=en
      - bobda
        
        I will ask again; which terrorist signature did the U.S. Government sign with? Terrorists are criminals and do not represent any sovereign state
      - Rick Rogers
        
        The United States signed the UN Convention against Torture on December 10th 1984. It when into effect on 26 June 1987. It was Ratified by the US on 21 Oct 1994. THAT MEANS WE AGREED NOT TO USE TORTURE.. Has nothing to do with a treaty with any one Group we agreed with the member countries of the United Nations that we would not use Torture (inflicting either Physical or Mental Pain) on prisoners. I gave you the link.. Either you stand behind the treaties you sign or you don’t there is no middle ground here.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Boy the native Americans could give you some lessons,you can’t be that niece,you can not stop someone who is willing to happily die or see their children die ,can’t negotiate,can’t coddle your enemy and expect goodwill will prevail,that gets a lot of innocent people killed,we have suffered enough loss to these maniacs,we need to bring our troops back inside and let them all kill each other out ,close our borders tell them just like Israeli army does ,kill one of ours ,we kill one hundred of yours, that’s the only language they understand I’m sorry but I’m too old to live in fairytale land better open your eyes.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Bcorriher73.. I am very will aware of the US Record were Treaties with Native American’s are concerned I have Cherokee Ancestors.. So Honoring Treaties is a sore subject with me. Especially when we want to demand that other Countries Honor treaties that they sign. FYI.. The House just voted to break a Treaty with the Apache just the other day so its really a sore subject.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Dear rick so far as Cherokee blood goes my mother was a hale and I live in the blue ridge if you know anything about the Cherokee that should be enough said,so far as the treaty goes their only as good as the word of all who sign it ,its pretty evident that there is no honor in this administration or the proceeding ones for that matter son I been around for a pretty good while now and I have not seen any class or integrity in the white house since Regan and am afraid to look too deeply into that,bush had a few good points ,compared to this bunch now ,your personal integrity better not be dependant on treaty’s signed by liars,terrorist,and rich thugs,I’m sorry it hurts to see the awful truth of what must be done in time of war,but if its them or us ,guess what,I’m for us,every time,bush was right about one thing ,if your enemy’s not so afraid of your reprocussions that he has to think long and hard about his actions ,in war you don’t stand a chance,why do you think all the country’s in the middle east haven’t just overrun little Israel, they have tried ,god doesn’t allow it,they also know there will be swift and severe reprocessions, likewise terrorist must know you are not afraid of them and you’re willing to kill every stinking one of them,and like the school bully they will move on to target #2, sorry son but reality there’s no rules in war except last one standing wins.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        bcorriher73@gmail.com if you don’t mind you country acting like the ones we condemn then I see your point. The thing is Your never going to say anything that would make me believe torture is justified for any reason. It is not a reliable method for information because you reach a point that the person being torture will say anything including what you they think you might want to hear even if its False just to make it stop. The Constitution prohibits Cruel and unusual Punishment and it does not say its ok to do it to foreign Nationals it says it is Prohibited Period.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Dear rick ,cruel. and unusual punishment,you mean like,locking Americans in prison in solitary continent 27-7 for a year at a time,or do you mean,putting a Chinese woman that’s fled the one child law had a child ripped from her body survived come to the land of plenty looking for asylum to be thrown in prison not charged with anything left to rott,or do you mean a man that’s went served his country comes home to find his family and himself homeless no benefits for injuries for a year at least,these things do not fly in the face of reality ,if they don’t keep their word to their own citizens and soldiers why in the world will they honor it with anyone else,again I say,not trying to change your mind just injecting truth,we are in a war with people that nothing is sacred to, except a politically religious idea that we are toserve them and their religion . or die,they embrace death,we embrace life,were not going to change them they are not going to convince us to slaughter our daughters if they are raped by some creep,for the family’s honour,seriously,that’s their idea of honour snuff said
      - Rick Rogers
        
        those are not honorable in any way shape or form. honor is to accept and acknowledge personal responsibility for one’s actions in the case of a nation the countries actions. Honor is doing the right thing for the Right Reason with no thought of personal gain for yourself. You do it because its the right thing to do.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Rick that’s a lovely sentiment and if we actually had some control of these clowns I would agree fact is we don’t. I think I heard you allude to the fact that you’ve served if that’s correct ,I appreciate your service,thank you,but I’ve never seen anyone who did go in country that still held that opinion,you put me in mind of those military recruiters that set up tables at the high school waiting for a starry eyed junior to walk by to tell him he can go see the world,get free college,don’t forget those g.I.bill phone loans,sorry if I sound cold but like I said I’m too old to live in lala land.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Thank you for being one of the most Civil people I have run across on this website. I am here because I don’t agree with most of what they print so I register my objection to it. I don’t take anything any politician says as gospel even if I voted for them. I make my own opinions and my own beliefs and get slammed on here all the time because I don’t follow the Fox News Party Line. To be honest hearing some of the really stupid comments that comes of of the mouths of Fox Talking heads sometimes its a wonder anyone believes. them. How so many people can follow a “News” network that when to court for the Right to lie, That is not even an American owned company and they think everything out of that network is Truth. WC FIELDS was right there is a sucker born every minute.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Sorry can’t find star to open new discussion with but has anyone besides me seen the news report I think its ABC look on Facebook to watch video,anyhow ,a man ,a black man pulls into a service station opens door steps out cop pulls up says I need to see your drivers lisense the guy kinda hesitates a second like waiting for instructions ,gets none,reaches into his SUV to get wallet cop opens fire the man jumps back throws wallet to ground cop shoots again the mans hands are in the air thru 2nd shot cop shoots again the mans on the ground saying what s going on what did I do cop replies seatbelt violation man groans says can’t feel his legs cop says hold on bro. helps on the way cop gets up walks over picks up wallet gets mans I.d puts wallet back inside SUV, this is appealing,the cop not officer did not instruct the man on how to process to comply about the license he outright shot that man ,he said he was on his way home from work put his wallet in the front seat as he was pulling in and unstrapped the seatbelt while pulling in,the Michael brown stuff was one thing but this is all together something else ,that cops had it and rightfully so ,hope and pray this don’t start more riots,pro ally will,these law enforcement officers need to be reigned in ,they are not military trained soldiers, don’t have the experience and training some evidently not the common sense to have this much power.its got to stop ,god help us and have mercy were in so much trouble.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        It happen in South Carolina. about 90 miles south of me.. They Police officer was Fired for the shooting and is facing assault Charges.
      - bcorriher73@gmail.com
        
        Thank god that’s exactly what should have happened maybe if people see a little bit of justice going on the race war they are trying their best to start will begin to subside.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        You are exactly right, bcorriher73. When the going gets tough, the tough get going! You pull yourself up by the bootstraps and you keep on plugging! Personally, I would love to see our bombers spraying the entire middle east with bacon grease. Wouldn’t hurt a soul, now, would it? But it would certainly stop them in their tracks! It pays to know your enemy, and they are deathly afraid of anything to do with pigs! (edited for spelling)
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        I agree with you on bringing all our troops home, and then instead of bombing them to death, fill those bombs and guns full of pig fat and spray the entire middle east with it! There is absolutely no torture in that maneuver, and it will certainly put an end to things for a nice long time to come!
      - stephanie wilson
        
        the terrorists sign no treaty. funny you still refuse to answer the question. WHICH TREATY DID THE ISLAMOFASCISTS SIGN? ANSWER; NONE!!!!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        YOU MISS THE POINT. IT DOES NOT MATTER A DAMN what a group of Criminals did or did not sign. What matters IS THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA put down in WRITING To the Member States of the United Nations that THE UNITED STATES WOULD NOT TORTURE PERIOD. THERE IS NOT IF AND OR BUTS. You want to treat them as Enemy combatants fine go kill them.. But This country committed to the rest of the world that we would not Torture Prisoners we did not say.. We will not torture prisons except on every 3rd Monday if we close or eyes while doing it. The United States has a bad enough history with Treaties with Native Americans we don’t need to start breaking them with the Rest of the world. Oh FYI.. The House just voted the other day to BREAK another Treaty with The Apache Nation just the other day.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Article 6 of The Constitution states the following
        
        “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United
        States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
        be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the
        Contrary notwithstanding.”
        
        Please Note the part about ALL TREATIES MADE… Shall be the Supreme Law of the Land and the judges in Every State Shall be bound Thereby.
        
        We signed a UN Treaty that stated we would not torture Prisoners Stephanie. The Prisoners don’t have to sign the treaty That Treaty was Ratified By the US SENATE which under the constitution means its the Law of the Land.. Please note I am using the exact terms the Constitution uses. Because of that Torture is against The law and there for the people that did so Violated the Constitution.
    - Guest
      
      Bobda.. I don’t agree with holding Terrorist or those that support them as Prisoners of War. or Enemy combatants. They are Criminals plan and simple and need to be punished just like any other Criminal.
      - bobda
        
        Finally something we both agree on. The only thing I would not want is that they be afforded full rights as would a US citizen. Give them counsel and adhere to rules of evidence etc. but limit their appeals. Good discussion. Thanks.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      Bobda.. I took awhile to answer this for one reason I wanted to check the facts before I did. What was done to the people the CIA torture was in violation of the US Constitiution. So let me lay this out for you to explain why I say that ok. just follow me here for a minute.
      Article 6 of The Constitution states the following ”
      
      This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United
      States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall
      be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the
      Contrary notwithstanding.
      
      Please Note the part about ALL TREATIES MADE… Shall be the Supreme Law of the Land and the judges in Every State Shall be bound Thereby.
      
      Now having that listed in the Constitution you come to the point that we have signed treaties against Torture of Prisoners twice.. Once the Geneva Convention then again in
      1984 with the UN Treaty against Torture which was signed and Ratified by the Senate that becomes binding law of the land.. There were no exceptions about Terrorist in those Treaties. .
      SO that would appear to me that Both Bush and Cheney Violated their oath of office because ALL TREATIES made Shall be the Supreme law of the land. And they broke those Treaties which means They are in violation of the US Constitution.
      
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      - bobda
        
        Point taken but the operative words are “law of the land”. These techniques were carried out at “black sites” not on U.S. soil proper. That aside thank you in that even though we are at opposite ends of the spectrum politically we can still have an intelligent discussion. Refreshing; maybe if certain members of both parties in congress would take heed we could finally advance instead of spinning our wheels.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        There is one other Quote I found interesting… “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary p…unishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
        — George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Only thing Bobda is that Legal Argument that its wasn’t them or it was not on US Soil really does not stand up to examination. German and Japaness used it at their War crimes trials that they were just following orders. Or even a simpler one.. IF I pay someone to do something Illegal I am just as guilty as the person that actually did it. That is in fact a law.
  - bobda
    
    I also had friends maimed and lost their life in Nam and the other point is Bush and Cheney would at least sent help to attempt a rescue not leave your own people to fend for themselves.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      No one was left to fend for themselves. That a hoax. and a bad one.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        no hoax, rick. this bs report is.
      - bobda
        
        You call sending no help a hoax. I heard testimony from 3 individuals who were there. They God Bless the ignored the powers that be and went anyway. This engagement went on for hours and no help was sent and the cunnard I hear is they did not know what the situation so they did not want to put the reinforcements in harms way: 1. that is their job, 2 you do not leave your people behind, 3 they did not know how long the attack would last, 4 assets were available; Tripoli, Sicily, Italy, Spain. They watched this attack in real time so they knew within minutes it was a terror attack. Then they did not send investigators to site for 3 weeks. Why? They were well aware of security at Benghazi; compound was attacked twice before this raid and despite requests for additional security they actually reduced it. End result; 4 dead Americans and administration CYA with this bogus video. Hoax I think not.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        SO your going to disregard completely the Funds that were requested to beef up security at all US missions and embassies. You know the ones the Republicans REFUSED to give. Sorry.. You have had what 3 congressional investigations so far and all of them have said.. NO FAULT was found. How about we take this Torture Report and start investigations on the Laws that work broken by Bush and his Cronies. Or We really go for it and Look into the NO BID Contract Given Halliburton in Iraq.. You know funny thing you can put all your holdings in a Blind Trust by if your giving out no bid contracts to companies you have large holdings on it does not matter that its blind.. CHENEY SCREWED the American people out of Millions of Dollars and Thousands of lives for the thing he was after from the start.. A piece of the Oil fields in Iraq. Or please explain why 2 weeks after taking office he was commissioning reports on how to increase production of Iraq oil fields.. And keep in mind this was 7 months before 9/11.
      - bobda
        
        First the testimony in congress was totally debunked as far as funds go. That came from the state dept. There were no funds refused because they already had them. Also state dept. could allocate money by prioritizing its needs. Thousands spent on new furniture, go figure. As far as the hearings go information was not exactly forthcoming. They call it stonewalling or CYA. As far as bids and backed loans I just have one word SOLYNDRA. Just one of many of the frauds perpetrated upon yes the taxpayer. Broke contract law so the major donor of his got his money but we are left on the hook for 528 million. Check out the investors that got Govt. backed loans for “green energy” of which several went belly up. Again crony capitalism. How about Fisker the guy that got Govt. loan to build electric cars in Finland. And are all of these green jobs. I will not even get into the GM fiasco except pay the unions and screw the bondholders. Iraq oil I agree with that one in that oil revenue was supposed to pay for Iraq war. All of that oil is going to Europe and Iraqis are the benefactor not us. Thing is two wrongs don”t make a right whoever does it. When the enhanced interrogations were used it was greenlighted by some of the very people that OK”ed it. Reason being is that we trying to make sure we did not have another 3000 Americans murdered. If it comes down to avoiding another attack or having a terrorist a little uncomfortable I”ll choose the former.
      - pappadave
        
        You’re a moron, apparently. On the very DAY that Hillary denied a request for additional security at Benghazi, the State Department sent a contingent of Marines to guard our embassy in BARBADOS! Guard it from WHAT? Sunburn?
      - Rick Rogers
        
        That’s rich coming for a guy that takes Faux News as the gospel. oh well the good news is your old.. You won’t be around much longer.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        You’re a shill – go tell 0vomit we know who you are now!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        and your a skank
      - pappadave
        
        Really? What about that former Marine imprisoned in Mexico for a bogus (and accidental) border violation. Obama didn’t raise a FINGER to get him free. It took Fox News pounding on the rest of the media to get that done.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Ok Pappadave how about if I use this websites favorite News Network to respond to that..
        
        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/22/kerry-case-marine-held/
      - pappadave
        
        Still, the PROPER response by the government would have been to tell Mexico, “Release him immediately or suffer the consequences”…then send in the Marines to get him out of Mexico.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        So let me make sure I understand this.. A US MARINE (Funny I was always told EVERY Marine could read a map) Crosses into another country were the Firearms he carries are illegal. (you do of course we have a saying in this country Ignorance of the Law is no exuse right) And the Mexicans are following their laws and you want to INVADE? How about putting the shoe on the other foot for a sec. What if a Mexican were to cross over on to our side with oh say a back full of hemp Seeds. NOT POT but Hemp which Is illegal Here. According to your thinking then Mexico would be with in their rights to get thieir citizen back Right?? Don’t bother answering I know what your going to say.. just like a Repubican “Do as I say not as I do.”
  - bcorriher73@gmail.com
    
    Sorry rick I’m afraid you premises is wrong ,I know about the Geneva convention but we can’t be the only ones following it as to them doing worse to our military ,they have shown from the beginning they got no problem killing our guys dragging them thru the streets pitching party’s over their dead body parts, these people understand nothing but violence finestine should be hung for putting them in further danger but there you go that’s the kind of sorry officials that dig in like ticks and the only way to remove them is taking a chance of getting poisoned in the process.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      Bcorriher73 I was not taking about the Geneva Convention.. I am taking about a treaty we signed 20 years ago with other Nations of the UN that said we would not Torture prisoners of any kind. (Torture being defined as causing Physical or Mental Pain). The Treaty was called UN Convention against Torture. I posted a link to the Site that has the treaty spelled out on one of the Treads below. So it boils down to this. Either a country honors its Treaties or we act like the enemy States all of us condemn. I Vote for being honorable. Your honor should never be defined by what OTHER people do. Its defined by what YOU do.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        Maybe you should go over and tell that to the Taliban, or to ISIS. I am sure they would love to accommodate you!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary p…unishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
        — George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
  - stephanie wilson
    
    this so called report is a partisan one. nice try.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      Really the Report that John McCain signed off on? The Senator that knows a thing or two about Torture is partisan. ok if that’s what you believe not going to condemn you for it.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        he signed off on a partisan report. maybe cause he is a dem. butt kisser.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        If that was the case then I have to thank him for giving us the Tea Party Queen herself. You know if Sarah Palin had want President Obama to lose in 2012 all She had to do was volunteer to be his Running mate. on 2nd thought forget that she would have quit half way thru the Campaign.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        you really are a funny dude., what does sarah palin, have to do w/ this topic? typical. change the subject. this is going nowhere. . keep believing the left wing b.s. merry christmas rick.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        The point was if he was such a Democratic Ass kisser why would he have infected us with Sarah Palin.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        hahaha. you’re cute.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        You mean Sarah Palin that Called Water boarding our way of Baptizing Terrorist?
      - stephanie wilson
        
        dude, you really need to lighten up
  - pappadave
    
    We STILL don’t “torture.” What was done to those few subjected to “enhanced interrogation” weren’t “tortured.” “Torture” is what was done to the POWs in Hanoi and Pyongyang by the Communists. Pulling out fingernails, branding with red-hot irons, hanging people by their hands tied behind their backs for days on end, causing their shoulders to dislocate (as was done to McCain), beating them bloody just for the fun of it, cutting their heads off with a dull knife blade. THOSE are tortures. Scaring them or making them uncomfortable isn’t “torture.”
    - Rick Rogers
      
      IT was torture.. Look up the definition of Torture in any Dictionary.. OR better yet go to the 1984 UN Treaty against Torture.. (which we signed) and you find the Definition. And I give you the same answer I get to anyone that says its not. Tell me when and were I can strap you to a board and give you a 24 hour sample of what waterboarding is.. Then you can tell me its not.
      - pappadave
        
        Look, knucklehead, I DID undergo waterboarding as part of my Escape and Evasion training during Vietnam. It’s scary as hell, but it’s NOT “torture”. It caused NO permanent (or even temporary) disability or physical harm. It merely makes one believe they are drowning. In my case, it caused me to give up my parents’ home address by the third application of water, and I would have SWORN never to give that information to my interrogators.
cdansreau

I CANNOT think of one good thing that can be done by releasing this. i think it is a further sign that the liberals and feinstein are against america. However i can think of several good things that can happen if the CIA were to release overseas data relating to feinstein and Obama. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
- Michael Dennewitz
  
  If this damned country were to direct all its efforts towards uncovering the HNIC’s lies and deceit, we wouldn’t even be in the sad shape we’re in. And how does Feinstein even garner a position in this, she’s Jewish!!??
- RobertNorwood
  
  Defund what ever security details she’s entitled to. Some rat bastard could kill her off tomorrow and I’d just say “mazel tov”.
bobda

The democrats have sank to a new low. There is a hearing going on over how this administration lied and obfuscated the American public to get Obamacare passed. It is one sad day in the annals of this country when they stoop so low as to put American lives at risk to try to deflect attention away from this bogus bill they rammed down our throats. DESPICIBLE!
- RobertNorwood
  
  Another nail in their coffin. They actually believe enough folks care. Torture those bastards whether they have intel or not. Fuckthem, make sure they fear us – they will never love us.
  - bobda
    
    Amen my friend. These people want to live in the stoneage it behooves us to help them to get there. Quicker the better and more the merrier.
    - RobertNorwood
      
      One of the first thing as a kid I learned out on the streets – no matter who or what, when someone picked on you, fight back, sucker punch, knee to the balls whatever. Even if you got the crap knocked out of you most like you’d get left alone, I mean who wants their clothes ripped, shoes scuffed and schit. They pass you by afterwards.
      
      In my grade school, kids would have taken Diane’s lunch money.
  - Dandyangie
    
    Robert, you certainly have a way with words..LOL
    - RobertNorwood
      
      Something about the current state of affairs just gets me going. Sydney Australia, 142 children in Pakistan. These bastards need to be obliterated and people like Feinstein with them. Feinstein is like a plague carrying rat only she carries muslims.
      
      And, thank you! Nice to be appreciated.
- OCDiver
  
  No more demonrats in public offices EVER!!
  - RobertNorwood
    
    They really are the enemy.
- Rick Rogers
  
  John McCain ( torture Victim) does not seem to agree with you.
  - bobda
    
    Then that makes us even because I do not agree with democrat lite policies he embraces. Big difference is NVA used “torture” as punishment and not to get intel to try and save lives.
    - pappadave
      
      Quite true…and that’s a HUGE difference between what the CIA did and what the NVA did to our POWs. Amazing that John McCain can’t understand the differences.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Torture is Torture so there is no Difference. What BUSH AND CHENEY did was in violation of US Laws and Treaties and was in violation of their oath of office to uphold and Defend the Constitution.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        HORSE FEATHERS – perhaps if you knew what you were talking about instead of spreading DNC talking points, someone might take you seriously.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        ok Alice-Annette Schultz.. Since you appear to to have Read Article 6 and don’t understand that any treaty we sign because law under the Authority of the United States. Don’t think I can help you .. We signed treaty against Torture that’s is a well documented Fact. Article 6 says Treaties have the weight of law.. That is a Documented Fact.. When you add the two together then It is against the Law to Torture.. That is a documented Fact. But then sorry I forgot .. this is mostly a Tea Party Site and they HATE FACTS.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        Not only are you inept in what you’re saying, you cant’t read either. I did not say they do not become law!!! Reread it and then let’s see what you can come up with a decent answer. Furthermore waterboarding is NOT torture!
      - MarcJ
        
        I see that you agree with Senator Feinstein and the Democrat Party which, by the way, has formally joined Al-Qaeda as their ally. Go forward comrade – we shall bury you and throw you into the dustbin of history – just like Reagan did with the Soviet Union!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        I addressed you respectful but you insult me.. SO be it.. Those that Can’t tolerate other peoples opinions and beliefs is the worst kind of Fascist. if you can grant me the same Respect I granted you then don’t bother boring me with your commnets.
      - pappadave
        
        Nonsense. Waterboarding is NOT “torture.” (I’ve undergone it myself and, while scary, is in no danger of harming anyone). Sleep deprivation isn’t “torture.” We do it to our Marine boots and army recruits as a matter of routine in order to break them down and turn them into men. You need to find out what torture really is before accusing Bush and Cheney of any wrongdoing.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        No problem with Sleep Deprivation as a means to confuse someone being interrogated.. But tell me how can you say having a tube shoved up your ass and then Being Rectally Feed is not Torture.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-10/rectal-feeding-of-detainees-called-abuse-with-guise-of-treatment.html
      - pappadave
        
        They didn’t “rectally feed” these goof-balls. They rectally HYDRATED them because they were refusing to eat or drink. We do the same thing to idiots in our civilian prisons who try to do the same thing. It isn’t “torture.” It saves their lives so you can keep bleating about how they’re being mistreated.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        going to let a founding Fathers words speak for me “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
        — George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
      - pappadave
        
        Which means exactly NOTHING since no prisoners were “tortured.”
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Your so full of it I am surpised you weren’t Rectally Feed.
      - pappadave
        
        …and YOU’RE so stupid you can’t tell the difference between “fed” and “feed,” so I guess that makes us even.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        oh wow I am so wounded.. Best you can do is slam a typo with my broken hand.. oh I am so completely destroyed
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Pappadave the first step in realizing you have a problem is admitting it. I am sorry to tell you you have been mislead by the Faux News and The GOP Talking heads. THEY WERE TORTURED BY EVERY LEGAL DEFINITION OF WORD. AND THE LEGAL DEFINITION IS ALL THAT MATTERS. Your opinion isn’t worth a hill of beans to anyone but you.
      - headonstraight
        
        You are delusional, pappadave. What they did was torture, plain and simple, by any standard –other than the “standard” used by ultraconservative addled wingnuts
      - pappadave
        
        I don’t believe you will even know what “torture” is, knucklehead, so I won’t waste my time explaining it to you.
tk-atty

Obama is releasing the information to inflame his jihadi friends around the world and here. He is a Muslim and supports Jihad, otherwise, he wouldn’t be doing the things he does or has done to throw the entire world into chaos! I pray to God that we can get to another election and vote him out! He is doing his best to destroy our Country. He should have already been impeached and hung for treason. He’s our enemy in Chief!
- Jimmy King
  
  Do any of you people read the news ANY NEWS Obama has been fighting AGAINST the release of this information
  - tk-atty
    
    Sure he has, just like he’s fighting Islam. He protests a little, but truly supports what’s going on. Every week is a new chaos he has created.
    - Jimmy King
      
      Yes the torture report chaos was created by Obama…. Not by Bush, not Cheney, Not Rummy, Not Tenet, not Michael Hayden. Seriously?? You clowns are always going on about the Founding Fathers and the original intent of this nation. Do we or have we ever stood for a nation of torturers? The Justice Dept under Bush bend the rule of law and that administration tortured and killed in VIOLATION of the laws of this country and multiple treaties signed by this country And in doing so violated many of the principles upon which this great nation was built, In doing so it emboldened our enemies and became a recruiting poster for Queda and ISIS The best thing we can do is to shine a spot light on this terrible time in our great nations history and show the world we are better than what we’ve been
      - tk-atty
        
        If it comes down to keeping the barbarians away from us and other innocents, then yes it has to be done. A little water boarding compared to cutting someone’s head off and cutting children in two, there is no comparison. Shame on the democrats who knew about what actions we were taking making this available to all the Islamic murderers, just fueling the flames of insane satanic individuals. Chaos is what Obama thrives on, now if he just had any idea what it was like to be a military person on the ground with their hands tied by rules of engagement. American’s treat people more civil than anybody else in the world. How about sending all you naysayers over their to face the beheaders with just your words of appeasement. Appeasement doesn’t work, never has, never will. A bully is a bully until you stand up to them.. Islam is a Satanic cult slaughtering thousands of people daily, by beheadings, cutting them in two, etc. We must do whatever is necessary to defeat our enemies, or the world is lost to the barbarians. Wake up!
      - Jimmy King
        
        Quite possibly one of the dumbest responses I have read. There was no cutting off of peoples heads until we started water boarding. Our torture was the biggest and most successful recruiting poster ever. Torture hasn’t kept any “barbarians” away. Torture has done nothing to help See what sets this Great Nation apart is that we are a nation of laws. You would rather we not be. You would rather we be no better than the barbarians I’m not sure what made you hate this great nation so much, but maybe you should leave if you hate it like you do
      - tk-atty
        
        Afraid not, research history. Since the beginning of Islam, they have been nothing but barbarians. Our Marines had to fight them off the Barbary coast, they were and still are involved in the slave trade in Africa, and they fought with the Nazi’s in WWII. Islam is a Satanic Cult of hate, and only know how to murder others. They have made no contribution to society whatsoever. if you can name one thing they have done good for the world, name it. As far as hating them, I don’t, I pray for them, but as far as not admitting what islamist do, I am not in denial. They are murderous barbarians plain and simple. The United States is the greatest Nation in the world and has done more for the world than all Nations combined, if not for us, the entire world would be Nazi’s.
      - Jimmy King
        
        ok it wasn’t a one time dumb post you followed it up with another. So your justification for our torturing them is because our marines had to fight them off the Barbary coast? I’m not even sure how you figured out how to turn on your computer
      - Rick Rogers
        
        I am quite awake there TK-atty.. But the problem you see is either you Support and Defend the Constitution or you don’t .. there is not a middle ground. You don’t have to take my word for it.. Look at Article 6 of the US Constitution. If states very clearly what are is the Law of the land. And that any Treaty we sign and Ratify becomes law of the land. We signed a treaty against torturing prisoners TWICE.. and those Treaties were Ratified TWICE.. So that means that according to the “Law of the Land” Torture is illegal.. Its clearly stated.
  - Fedup
    
    “The White House has backed the release as well, stating Monday that the government had taken all of the precautionary measures necessary. – See story above
    
    Reuters reported that on Friday Secretary of State John Kerry asked Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, to “consider the timing of the expected release of a report on the CIA’s harsh interrogation techniques,” but that the administration has not wavered in its support for the report’s release. – See Newsmax story titled Michael Hayden: “Torture Report Will Cripple Agency
    
    However the Obama administration remained committed to publishing the incendiary details, insisting that the torture program ‘should never happen again’.- See Daily Mail story titled Sexual Threats Among Techiniques to Be Revealed in CIA Torture Report…
    
    Despite threats of a potentially violent backlash after the release of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s often-delayed report, Earnest said the White House supports the publication of the 600-page executive summary- See Politico story titled White House: US Prepared For Torture Report Release
    
    Do you read the news ANY NEWS that Obama gives his blessing for this report to be released? I could give you more examples but I’ve wasted enough time on you. Have a good day!
RobertNorwood

Feinstein needs to be removed from that post. She is a security risk and a detriment. She will get people killed.
buddman

That skank Diane feinstein was on the committee Who approved the CIA Torture If there is one death because of this release it is on her pathetic head what a parasite
Dandyangie

The “leader” of our country spent a considerable amount of time going around the world bad mouthing us (which to me proved he was not raised in this country and proud). Now the traitor Fiendstein has endangered many working for this country. She is another stupid democrat who thinks they know better than their betters. Notice that after bad mouthing like O’stupid she never condemned the unjust who are cutting off the heads of Americans. She is performing on behalf of our enemies. I won’t write here what I pray happens to her on our country’s behalf. How much time has she spent in O’Bamas bed so that she now thinks like him. She is incredibly ugly in representing our country and I hope her exit is painful. Only right for an AZZholes exit. What’s happened to our country and its patriots
BH

It is interesting that Di Fi thinks these technics diminish Americas values. I wonder which ones she had in mind, the one that says it is ok to have an abortion at any time? Even up to the last week before birth? I don’t think any terrorist was killed during these interrogations.
TAM44

Has these stupid democrats seen innocent children and grown ups getting their head cut off? and then claim that water boarding is so evil, I’ll take the water boarding any time over death. feinstein is a eleven eggs short of a dozen and she’s considered smart by democrats. democrats always side with the enemy like killery clinton lastest statement, America must ‘Empathize’ with enemies. We don’t need this Benghazi witch no where near our white house she was responsible for those men who died in Benghazi because of her dereliction of duty, and obama is just as guilty of dereliction of duty also.
David Mangum

Terrorist were crashing airliners into our world trade center, pentagon, flight 93, what did they think we would do, so this never happens again, If I had my way, after torturing, I would throw them in a wood chipper feet first, with rubbing alcohol rinse.
Dandyangie

I sincerely hope the time comes when Feinstein is trapped in a burning hi rise and has to decide whether to jump or burn to death. Maybe on her way down she can think of her faux values. Not one of the animals who have beheaded or shot American personnel have been found and punished. This -itch would fondle their goodies so they will like and respect us for our “values.” Is our government gone brain damaged? Evil B–tards will never stop if we don’t even the score.
- Rick Rogers
  
  VENGANCE IS MINE SAYTH THE LORD.. or are you saying that Evening the Score is not Vengance?
  - Dandyangie
    
    Don’t quote to me something made up in our history. Vengence is for whoever gets there first. Or better yet let the lord tell me that himself or do you presume to judge and speak for him?
    - Rick Rogers
      
      just repeating what I read in the Bible..
      - Dandyangie
        
        I know where it comes from. Did you skip over the judge not lest you be judged?
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Sorry bud barking up the wrong tree.. all I did was quote a Bible passage.. Did say I was judging anyone.. Why you have a guilty Conscience?
      - Dandyangie
        
        I’d say when you contend someone is using vengence, that’s a judgement. Oh well, what ever….
Russell W. Agee

Mt question is why does the America public need to know what methods our government uses to obtain information that deters the people who want to bring harm or death to the people of this nation and others in the world and to even tell the world of our technics to obtain this information is totally ludicrous..
- bcorriher73@gmail.com
  
  Russell I agree just like when seal team six got killed,before the family’s even had time to be properly informed Obama was on t.v telling it ,they aren’t even supposed to he spoken of except on a need to know basis,but these jokers got no qualms about divulging secrets like in Viet nam, those stupid reporters got a lot of teams ambushed by reporting live telling locations,if I had been there I would shot their cameras first,that pro ally happened a lot,look if people wanna live in their little fantasy worlds ,I’m o.k,your o.k,stuff there are unpleasant things that must be done,its all a matter of what can you afford to give up to have the illusion of safety,torturing terrorist,sorry got no problem with it after seeing their handy work,personal liberty its went to far,let me clarify,when I say I fear… I don’t mean for me,I mean for our country,I’m not one of these people that thinks cause were Americans were not going to have to go thru anything,to the contrary I think because we are Americans we can go through about anything short of the wrath of god,that’s all I fear.with the desicions our govt.has made,not us,its gotta be coming.
Wordell

It’s O.K. for Obama to kill American citizens with drones…but water board known killer Islamic terrorists to get information to save lives……but oh….THE HORROR ! ! !
doug

If anyone wants to accuse anyone of torture, it’s the American people, for the past almost 6 years, the liberals, the obama administration and all his minions, and the
democratic party, have robbed, lied, cheated and committed all kinds of corruption
within politics we Americans have been living in torment and this must stop. they all
need convicted and fined and sent to prison.
- Fedup
  
  You’re right! It’s been torture having an incompetent dumba$$ occupying the White House!
dndvaughn

God Bless the CIA for protecting the US Citizens. If what they did got answers from these terrorists that saved American lives, KEEP up the good work.
- Rick Rogers
  
  Guess you have no respect for the US Constitution then Because what they did was a gross Violation of it.
dndvaughn

We need to put most of the politicians through a little of that ‘process’, to make them honest citizens !
Dandyangie

Everyone acts upset re: Gruber’s remark that “Americans are stupid.” Well look who they put in the White House, that was stupid.l
Satch

It’s the DEM O RATS last fling at having the last say about much. This is directed at George W. and Cheney and the Rep Party. McCain to me altho a POW is a LIBERAL listen to him. His memory is shorter than the hair on his head. If torture saved the life of my combat brother or a member of my family, it served it’s purpose. KUDOs to the CIA, by the way my family works for the CIA.
- Jimmy King
  
  Yet torture did nothing but put your family members in harms way McCain knows from personal experience And you morons are too partisan to listen
- Rick Rogers
  
  So was your family involved in the clear violation of US LAW and the Constitution with their “WORK”
stephanie wilson

oh boy, i bet the bush haters will love this. as for transparency. hahahahahahaha! seriously? from a party who has stood in the way of these investigations??? 1. solyndra 2. fast & furious 3. the irs 4. benghazi. i could go on but. you get it. these libs make me sick!
- Jimmy King
  
  Yes solyndra is comparable to this silly little girl
- Rick Rogers
  
  Fast and Furious Started By BUSH.. 4 US personal killed verus the THOUSANDS killed and Wounded in a Fake war. You pick out one Company that does under but left out the others that are doing well under the program. IRS doing their job by investigate groups that are violating the law because of the amount of money they are using for political Campaigns. Tell who is being partisan Now?
Florio Vino

OUR NATION COMES FIRST! These nutcases are of very low intellegence that support this type of LAW! OUR COUNTRIES SAFETY AND LAWS come first as We are confronted with Nations and Internal Lowlifes that have demonstrated in the past and are continuing to do so.that they intend to do OUR Country HARM and will do so, if unchecked by whatever means that is necessary.! PEACE IS THE BEST ROUTE, CAUTION IS IS SO MUCH BETTER OVERALL. PELOSI AN HER IDIOTS ARE IDIOTS AND CRIMINALS IN MY MIND AND THEIR IDEAS WILL RUIN THIS FAILING NATION UNCHECKED!
- Rick Rogers
  
  Florio Vino.. Please Read article 6 of the US Constitution the part about what becomes Law of the land. The part about all treaties signed by the US and Ratified because the SUPREME law of the land just like anything in voted on by congress and signed into law by the President. So your right our countries laws come first and They Violated those Laws by torture.
Alice-Annette Schultz

Torture by our people to get vital information. I guess that has never happened in the history of the world until now. ???? I don’t think we have come up with a torture technique serious enough to begin to compete on the world market. Waterboarding – really? Well boo freaking hoo! We caused a couple of flakes to gag a little bit. Get over it – war is war – or would you prefer we never knew what the enemy was preparing to do to us? What do you think our open borders are? They are a free ride into this country made possible by the very person who is supposed to work FOR us, not against us! Yes, 0vomit himself opened our borders and has no intention of closing them. He has made us less than a nation. And he has allowed these “terrorists” into our country! In fact, he began that back in 2009 when he obtained a grant for 20 million dollars, and then in 2010 used that grant to bring 80,000 Hamas men and their families over here. You’re worried about ISIS? How about Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaida, etal? Check out the list off all the groups we have here in America: http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm Now seriously, all this is doing is taking the heat off 0vomit and putting it back onto Bush. He just can’t get enough of “It’s Bush’s fault!”
If Bush did nothing else, he wore the uniform of his nation, AMERICA, and he worked hard on our behalf whether it worked out well or not – that cannot be said for the Liar-in-Chief currently in office! Torture my rear end – get over it!
- Rick Rogers
  
  ok.. I am all for Torturing your Rear end.. See that was one of the Methods they used to “get their information” So lets see how well you can stand up to it. Read Article 6 of the US Constitution.. All Treates Signed and Ratified by the United States become Law of the Land. We signed two Treaties that said we would not Torture. and they were Ratified so they are the law of the land. Or are you suggesting we ignore the Constitution in this case?
  - Alice-Annette Schultz
    
    Waterboarding, Rick Rogers, is NOt TORTURE! Our own members of certain areas of the military forces go through it as members of my family have done in the military, and they all say it is uncomfortable, but nothing compared to any of the torture techniques used by the enemies of this country! Furthermore, when we sign a treaty with another country or countries, it does not become part of the Constitution, however, it does become part of the law of the land if it is ratified by our Senate, If you are referring to the Geneva Convention they are not applicable to enemy combatants; only to the sworn members of the military of organized signatory states — and as for ignoring the Constitution, your ‘messiah’ seems to be doing a pretty darned good job of it. Talk to him – NOT ME!
    - Rick Rogers
      
      OK alice.. when can we schedule your waterboarding.. I will have confessing that you shot JR in about 45 minutes.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        If you’re seriously dumb enough to do that …. I can tell you have never been waterboarded yourself. I didn’t say I had either – but I do have it on very good authority from many who HAVE that it is not torture. Not comfortable, but definitely NOT torture. And it is extremely effective. Torture will have a person saying anything they ‘think’ you want to hear, but the minute they find out it is a lie, you are right back to being tortured. Waterboarding, because it is effective and ‘does not kill a person’, gets the truth. Last, but far from least, once a person comes up with the “truth” whether it be via torture, or via waterboarding, the victim, if tortured is then killed. Grow the hell up!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        No form of Torture gets the Truth.. IT does not work.. The person Being Torture tells you exactly what they think you want to hear wither it is the truth or not. Oh and I have two Friends from high school that were Navy Seals.. These are Two Tough SOB’s and both of them Say that is the VERY HARDEST Part of their training… Getting over the Fear and stress that your drowning. Their exact words were. ITS TORTURE.. But here is an open invitation to anyone that does not think it is.. Give me a time and Place I be there .. I’ll put 100 dollar bill in a Box you bring the Combination Lock. you lock the box.. IF in 24 hours you have not told me the combination you get to keep it. But if Not you give me 100.. Oh your not allowed to wear a watch or have a clock so you never know how much time has actually passed. You have no idea how much I wish I had enough money To tempt DICK CHENEY into trying this bet.
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        You said the magic words: “Getting over the fear and stress that your (you’re – learn correct English, it will serve you much better) drowning.” REAL torture is what we are talking about: there is no ‘getting over the fear being sliced to pieces, or having another finger broken and mangled, or losing another eye, etc! Learn the difference and go sit in a closet until you do!
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Your a sorry excuse for a human being and that one day it will come back to bite you in the ass. Your a fecal Matter stain on the Honor of ever honest person that has ever supported or defended this country. My English is just fine where you considered. Again.. YOU HAVE MY OFFER TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE AND I PROVE YOU FOR THE COWARD THAT YOU ARE.. .You see say what ever you want.. ONLY COWARD MISTREAT HELPESS people no matter what they have done. and a person strapped to a chair unable to move is helpless. So if that means me doing it to you to prove how wrong you truly are then Think of it as education. Something You appear to need badly were a sense of Morals is concerned. .
      - Alice-Annette Schultz
        
        One thing is certain in life: you can always tell what a person is made of by what they call you. I wouldn’t tell you where I live if you were the last person on this earth! In fact, this conversation has come to a close.
      - Rick Rogers
        
        Thank god I thought your wimping stupidity would never stop.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      Torture : the act of causing severe physical pain as a form of punishment or as a way to force someone to do or say something
      
      : something that causes mental or physical suffering : a very painful or unpleasant experience.. And just so you know this is also the Definition that was used in the UN Treaty.. Which WE SIGNED.
MarcJ

By issuing their one-sided report accusing falsely the Bush Administration and the CIA of “torturing” the Al-Qaeda members in the Gitmo prison, the Democrat Party under the leadership of Senator Diane Feinstein has declared itself openly as the formal ally of the Al-Qaeda terrorists.
- Rick Rogers
  
  Tell me something how can someone Falsely accuse The Bush Administration of something they admitted too.. They used the Term enhanced Interrogation technique. Which is a pretty way of saying Torture.
  - MarcJ
    
    “Torture”??? Those subhuman mass murderers – I mean the Islamist jihadists – should be treated like we treat Ebola virus. First thing to do upon capture is to cut their balls off, and then dispatch them by a bullet in the head. Finally their carcasses should be thrown into a common pit filled by lime, then covered with a bulldozer pushing garbage over them. And now they can meet their 72 virgins in that Allah’s garden.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”
      — George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
      - MarcJ
        
        Those jihadists are not soldiers and are not human – they are beasts of prey who cut heads of children, rape women and prepubescent females, murder their prisoners, and shout “Allah-il-Allah” while dancing around the night fires. And they hide their faces behind covers and turbans.
    - Rick Rogers
      
      Marcj I understand your views.. but sorry the Difference between us and them has to be sharp as a Razor and crystal clear. Your either a country ruled by the Rule of law or your not. NO middle ground. You have to stand for something more then an EYE FOR AN EYE.. Do I want those that misuse their Religion to be either captured or Punished Yes but I feel for them the same thing I feel for Skinheads and KLAN members. Complete Contempt. Did Bin Laden get what he deserved yes but would still have like to have seen him put on a public trial when his own Words Convicted him had he put in front of a Firing squad but in his case.. He confess on Camera so it was a done deal. One of the things taught at every Military academy is Honor.. You have it or you don’t there is nothing half way. Torture is not honorable. you want information there are drugs that can get it.. Making someone feel like they are drowning is just going to cause that person to say what ever it is they Think you want to hear even if it is not true. There are some things that are absolutes.. Your honest or your not.. You are Just or your not.. You have honor or you don’t. If your not better then your enemies in those areas then you are your own worst enemy.
Rick Rogers

Well people its been fun.. But I am not going to have time to Spar with you anymore till after Xmas.. For those of you that engaged in honest Reasonable discussion I wish you a marry Christmas. Those of you that name call and then get upset when I respond back in Kind.. . I hope you get coal in your stocking… You can burn it to increase your carbon footprint you don’t seem to care about.
liam carter

marines behave like they behave not because it’s easy, but because that’s how soldiers should behave. Your standards and actions say who you are. They could win by stooping to the level of the low-lifes they fight, but instead they choose to live by their own rules, and maybe that’s too hard for most folks, but it’s what makes us better than them.
If you would call it torture when someone did it to you or your kid, it’s torture. As for me. I have confidence in clean victories, that I will never have to question or apologize for. Part of why I will win, Is that the other guy rules by fear. When he turns away, the people he rules will destroy him. I don’t sleep much, because I am vigilant, but I sleep very well.
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