Government-Funded PBS to Air Late-Term Abortion Propaganda

Posted On 28 Aug 2014

If you needed something to watch on Labor Day and you’re not satisfied with the latest DVD releases, why not turn your TV over to PBS? Yes, believe it or not, the station still exists and it’s still being partially funded by your tax dollars. So why not see what you’re paying for?

Well, it turns out that PBS’s September 1st offering will be a nasty piece of pro-abortion propaganda called After Tiller. It’s a documentary meant to “humanize” those few, brave late-term abortionists still willing to kill a fetus in the third trimester. Not surprisingly, doctors have studiously avoided the procedure in the years following the murder of George Tiller, a Kansas late-termer. Or maybe, like most people in America, even abortion doctors have their ethical limits.

Either way, the point of After Tiller isn’t to condemn these late-term abortionists but rather to celebrate them. On the PBS website, the film is described as a “deeply humanizing and probing portrait of the only four doctors in the United States still openly performing third-trimester abortions” as well as an “examination of the desperate reasons women seek late abortions.”

“Shame on PBS,” said Judie Brown of the American Life League, a grassroots pro-life organization. “This has no business airing on a publicly funded network.”

The trailer for the movie makes no bones about where its allegiances lie. Even as the filmmakers try to ride the fence and present their documentary as a “balanced” look at the issues, quotes from the movie betray their intentions. “You have two choices and they both suck,” one doctor in the film says to a patient. It’s enough to make you wonder whether this is how abortion doctors and pro-choice advocates think about the beauty of childbirth. Well, you can either abort, which is unfortunate…or you can have the baby. Also unfortunate.

Don’t any of these abortion doctors have respect for their own lives? Do the producers of this film? Do the executives at PBS? It’s baffling that anyone could look at their own life and consider it so meaningless that they could honestly say that their mothers should have been allowed to kill them in the womb.

But ok. That’s abortion, and it’s an issue that will rage forever.

But this. This issue of late-term abortions. It’s a whole other matter. To abort a child when it could conceivably live outside the womb…well, frankly it inspires the kind of outrage that led to George Tiller’s death. And I’m not advocating in the least for what happened to Tiller, but when you are essentially committing infanticide on a regular basis I find it difficult to dredge up a wellspring of sympathy. That Tiller’s colleagues are now the subject of glorification – and on the public airwaves, no less – is just a sign of how monstrously liberal this country has become.

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- Shofar threading
  
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  - stephanie wilson
    
    amen!
- daveveselenak
  
  Amen, amen… AMERIKA is about to feel the wrath of God and the devil! I tell sheeple that the lucky ones are the ones that won’t be around to face the hell that is about to be unleashed in this country – very soon!
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Anyone who listtens to pbs sleasy radio or tv shows that promotes liberalism for the slimeball demonrats are really stupid and everyone knows you can not fix stupid.
- smilee
  
  You conservatives can never see the truth, PBS gives both sides conservative and liberal but of course to your closed mind if the liberal side is included then it all liberal in your eyes. Like a person who is 5% black is considered all black as is so typical amongst your types.
  - marlene
    
    killing a viable baby in the womb is not a “side”
    - smilee
      
      But it is a fact it happens and that is the truth and this talks about the truth and it takes no sides. Open your mind lady
      - Lynn McCrann
        
        Glorifiying a person who would kill a late term infant in the womb is not taking sides?
        It is without any doubt in my mind – praising those who murder for profit.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Have you seen the whole film, or are you just relying on the opinion of someone who has seen only the trailer? Why not watch it and then decide?
      - Lynn McCrann
        
        Since when is murder a truth to be ignored?
        I did see the trailer which is intended to highlight the obviouse message. A message I found totally disgusting and if that is what PBS does with donations and tax money then I see them being no different than a pornographer pimp.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        If you haven’t seen the film, then you don’t know what slant it has if any. That is why I am going to watch it.
      - Lynn McCrann
        
        Only a perverted weasel would want to watch something that glorifies the murderer of infants in the womb. I will offer a prayer for not only the children destroyed by these fanatics but I will add one for you as well.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        [Sigh] If you haven’t watched the film, how do you know whether it “glorifies” anything? How do you know why people make the decisions they do? How do you learn about something if you refuse to watch/read/ listen to it?
        
        However, I appreciate your prayers. But please don’t pray that I see the world exactly as you do. Just pray that God’s will be done. I will offer one for you as well.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Oh, and see below what I have written about the program. I still haven’t watched the last third. I hope to get to that on Wednesday.
      - smilee
        
        Talking about it in truthful and factual terms is not glorifying it! It is merely telling the truth which you apparently do not want to hear as it interferes with your bigoted beliefs.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        bigoted i wouldn’t go there, moron.
      - jillocity
        
        and of course glorifying the “abortionists” is just the thing to do…where is the “other side” being shown in this “documentary”?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Have you seen the whole show or just the trailer?
      - smilee
        
        All sides re being shown. Talking about it in truthful and factual terms is not glorifying it! It is merely telling the truth which you apparently do not want to hear as it interferes with your bigoted beliefs.
      - jillocity
        
        go read the felony grand jury report on kermit gosnell…you who believe in infanticide, you will love it
      - smilee
        
        What does he have to do with this documentary?? He is a despicable person who did despicable things but he does not define the medical profession he is the exception to the rule. There is always some bad apples in all professions, companies and government but to use them to define the whole is absurd. I do not believe in abortion but it is legal, I do not believe in the death penalty but it to is legal so your idiotic assumption that I do is nothing but stupid and rude.
      - jillocity
        
        kermit gosnell is the poster boy for late term abortion
      - smilee
        
        He is a criminal and a poster boy for nothing albeit you apparently wish him to be that.
      - James Seidel
        
        Read this slimlee you Wiccan, just the first paragraph is sickening.
        
        Felony grand jury report on kermit gosnell…
        
        This case is about a doctor who killed babies and endangered women. What we
        mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live, viable, babies in the third trimester of pregnancy – and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors. The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels – and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths. Over the years, many people came to know that something was going on here. But no one put a stop to it.
        
        Let us say right up front that we realize this case will be used by those on both sides of the abortion debate. We ourselves cover a spectrum of personal beliefs about the morality of abortion. For us as a criminal grand jury, however, the case is not about that controversy; it is about disregard of the law and disdain for the lives and health of
        mothers and infants. We find common ground in exposing what happened here, and in recommending measures to prevent anything like this from ever happening again.
        
        http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/pdfs/grandjurywomensmedical.pdf
      - smilee
        
        This story has nothing to do with this documentary. I never disputed the facts on this guy and find him a despicable man much like I find your rude posts despicable. Can you contribute anything in an intelligent manner?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        I like most of what you say, except for name calling.
      - smilee
        
        What name did I call anyone? Glad you agree!
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Well, bigoted beliefs. Not quite calling them a bigot. But it doesn’t induce having a good discussion.
      - smilee
        
        Not nice but it is honest, I call them as I see them and how do you say it nice when bigotry is not nice.
      - Tom
        
        What does he have to do with this documentary?? He is a despicable person who did despicable things but he does not define the medical profession he is the exception to the rule. There is always some bad apples in all professions, companies and government but to use them to define the whole is absurd. I do not believe in abortion but it is legal, I do not believe in the death penalty but it to is legal so your idiotic assumption that I do is nothing but stupid and rude.
      - smilee
        
        Is there a point to your re-posting my post without Comment!
      - Tom
        
        You said you did not resort to name calling so I reposted your full comment so you could see it for your self so incase you missed it here it is again: your idiotic assumption that I do is nothing but stupid and rude.
      - smilee
        
        Nothing in that post is name calling. It is my opinion of his statements that you refer to as name calling. That is not calling him names just a fair criticism of his words and i believe my opinion to be accurate. It was his words I attacked not his person and that is fair and just.
      - Tom
        
        your idiotic assumption that I do To me and most people this is name calling . also : is nothing but stupid and rude. To me implies that the person is stupid (which is name calling)
      - smilee
        
        Read into what you like but that is not what I said, I criticized his statement but made no statement calling him that. Intelligent people know the difference. Here is the quote is again and you might want to re-read it and see if you can see it in its proper context this time. “I do not believe in abortion but it is legal, I do not believe in the death penalty but it to is legal so your idiotic assumption that I do is nothing but stupid and rude.
        “
      - Tom
        
        Merriam Websters dictionary: something that is inferred; especially : a conclusion or opinion that is formed because of known facts or evidence. This is what I based my statement on :inferred:
      - smilee
        
        Inference = assumption and both are rarely accurate and often lead to the wrong conclusion which is the conclusion you reached here. I would pity the person whose jury you might sit on if that is how you draw conclusions, he would be most likely doomed even if he was innocent. My comment were addressed to his statements not to him personally so it was not name calling that is you spin and ignores known facts of which you have ignored here.
      - Tom
        
        You know what? I believe you are correct my apologies to you . I have sat on juries in the past and am able to sort thru the facts not assumptions.
      - smilee
        
        Good, my experience on several juries gave me a different perspective on looking at everything. It was a great learning experiance
      - stephanie wilson
        
        open yours. most black babies are murdered by abortion than black men by cops.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        I fail to see that comment as helpful.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        helpful ? im just saying he should open his eyes.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Well, I just answered, but it’s not showing up. “You Conservatives can never see the truth” does not facilitate a discussion. It’s better to stick to the subject – principles, not personalities, as 12-step programs stress. Not that there is much in the way of discussion here. So far as I can tell, the people posting against the show have not watched it.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      The trailer did not show what conditions the unborn babies were in who were considered for abortion. I plan to watch the show and not just depend on someone else’s opinion of the trailer.
    - GLORIA SOLORANO
      
      Neither is a choice…………………..
  - cumiadom
    
    And liberals can accept the truth even if it hits them in the ass at 200 miles per hour.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      And even if it doesn’t. (you did say “can.”)
      - cumiadom
        
        Sorry, It was a typo (meant can’t)
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Aw.
    - smilee
      
      Coming from a conservative who cannot recognize the truth that is both a profound and stupid statement
    - longshorts
      
      cumiadom,
      Most liberals couldn’t find their backsides even with both hands and a search party! I was born of a liberal family in the middle 50’s, yet when I registered Conservative Republican, they all gasped “traitor”! Now days I consider myself as a Conservative Constitutionalist. This is not an established Party, but an ideal that is really catching on with a lot of folks. We are Conservative, and we believe in the Constitution, AS IT WAS WRITTEN! We cast informed votes based on how a Candidate has voted in the past, not what they say now. “Actions speak louder than words” as the old saying goes, and as nobody really changes in their adult years, and suddenly spews words that conflict with their past voting records – we don’t believe them, and we never will. That is why PBS will never look “balanced and unbiased” to me.
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        The constitution is good but does need to be amended from time to time. I fully support the second amendment but feel that something must be done to keep guns out of the hands of mentally deranged persons. I do not know how to do it but there must be a way. And btw, I am a Liberal Conservative.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Insulting people does not make for a good discussion. I doubt that you have any idea of what “most liberals” do or think. Why not stick to the subject?
  - Lynn McCrann
    
    No sir, it is those who have less than 50% black heritage who are calling themselves black.
    Point: Obama, a socialist/liberal/progressive/communist who is actually less than 1/4 black.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      AKAIK, just about everyone calls him black. I thought he was half black/half white, and that is what I call him.
      - cumiadom
        
        He’s half black half machine. He was born off an electric incubator (Stanley brand) Which is even worse than being a son of bitch.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        {Sigh} I don’t know why I try to have a reasonable discussion.
    - smilee
      
      It did not start with blacks and even slave owners during slavery would sell their own children they had with their slaves and their descendants as they considered them black. That is where it got its start and continues into the present. Obama is half black as his dad was full black and you have not one iota of proof in your last sentence to support your lies. So stop your lying.
      - James Seidel
        
        You know who his Dad is? Look who is lying now slimelee? We don’t know who obomba is…
      - smilee
        
        It is known who he is, this dispute only exists in the minds of those who hate him, your the liar here by trying to inject fiction as fact.
      - James Seidel
        
        A private investigation reveals that the Social Security Number being used by Barack Obama does not pass a check with E-Verify, the electronic system the U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has created to verify whether or not prospective employees have the required authorization to work legally in the United States.
        Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344461/#Jcs9LsSU1dsjZ5uF.99
        
        Do you still know who this non citizen LIAR is slimy?
  - longshorts
    
    Smilee,
    I’m color blind when it comes to “the race card”. AND, I consider abortion of any kind as 1st degree murder unless it is medically necessary to save the Mother from immediate death.
    So many childless couples search for children they can adopt, and have to go without because of abortion.
    PBS is not “balanced and unbiased”, nor should PBS get one cent of taxpayer dollars. PBS is supported by Industry, let them foot the bill. PBS is liberally biased – and that is why you love it so much. I have not, and never will support PBS Radio or TV, especially when they air such despicable programming.
    I suppose you believe in “retroactive abortion”, too. The killing of those who attack society while still in their formative years. You, yourself, can never see the truth because of the blindness of your liberal views. I feel pity for you and those like you.
    - smilee
      
      I did not play the race card I merely stated a true fact. Mention race with you people and you misinterpret it to be racism. Could it be that is what you are so you cannot recognize it? Your entitled to your own opinions even when they contradict the law of the land but you can do nothing about that but bitch. You so biased you see PBS as biased because of it. They produce more truth than any other news outlet today but of course the truth is not what you want to hear so you falsely slam them. PBS receives a lot less in subsidies from the government than those large corporations who own most news outlets today. Why does that fact not pizz you off?? Your a bigoted person blind to the truth.
      - longshorts
        
        Angry, aren’t you? You condemn me because of my right to an opinion. The fact that my opinion doesn’t agree with yours really puts a burr in your saddle, doesn’t it? Well, we do not all walk in lock-step like the Nazis did 78 years ago. We have this funny little thing called the Constitution and the 1st Amendment. I’m not “bitching”, but calling you to acknowledge my right to an opinion that does not agree with yours. Have you EVER read the Constitution, do you have a copy of it in your home? Can you get it now? Could you take the time to search for it on the ‘net, and then read it? Any real American has a copy at their fingertips, do you? An item so easy to access, yet so little read. So easy to throw “bigoted”, “bitch”, “falsely slam”, “racism”, and whine that I do not walk in lockstep with you. Now, you will cry out that I am not “politically correct”. Well, I’m not, and never will be. Nobody tells me what to say. Read my other posts here and you just might gain an understanding of what and who I am. Would it anger you to not have the last word that I see? Because I am tired of you, and am NOT returning. Angry people bore me.
      - smilee
        
        Angry, No what makes you come to that stupid conclusion?? I am a very happy person. My Statement “Your entitled to your own opinions even when they contradict the law of the land but you can do nothing about that but bitch” That is my opinion and it does not condemn yours but clearly state your entitled to yours. Very familiar with the Constitution and have many copies of it. My opinions were based on your words, in my opinion they make you look bigoted and without any real credibility. I think you incapable of an honest conversation and probably a very angry person as well. Certainly confused.
      - James Seidel
        
        Like a person who is 5% black is considered all black as is so typical amongst your types.
        
        Quote “slimelee” the wiccan.
  - stephanie wilson
    
    no they don’t smilee. you lie
    - smilee
      
      Not been my experience, I was real active in the GOP as a party elected official in the local unit for 7 years and the lies got so bad I quit them. They are the biggest liars I have ever known.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        then i dont know the people you thought were members of the gop i bet they were rinos
      - James Seidel
        
        Like a person who is 5% black is considered all black as is so typical amongst your types.
        
        Quote, “slimelee” the wiccan
      - smilee
        
        !% or 100% black is acceptable to me as I see them as equal persons. Your wrong and a rude jerk
  - James Seidel
    
    You just had to play the race card. Stop playing cards and get your head out of your backside. That ain’t roses your smelling, obombabot.
    - smilee
      
      Did not play the race card you just decided to wrongly accuse me. Like I said your a rude jerk with nothing intelligent to contribute.
      - stephanie wilson
        
        calling others bigoted isn’t playing the race card???
      - smilee
        
        Calling bigots a bigot is not playing the race card it is merely stating a fact. Bigots do exist. Are you one??
      - stephanie wilson
        
        no. but you are calling non bigots a bigot.
      - smilee
        
        WHO????
  - Eliott
    
    If you REALLY think PBS gives both sides of the story, you are in denial. For your information, it is the blacks that say if you are so much as 1% black, you are considered black. Get your info straight. You are also one of those people who think a fetus is not a living human being. I don’t believe in abortion but if there was anyone who should have been aborted, it is you.
    - smilee
      
      Boy, you really are a very mean person, No character what so ever you lie a lot too and sadly you believe your lies to be be true as your statements here clearly illuminate.
      - Eliott
        
        I may be a mean person in your eyes, but in my eyes, you are fuc*ing idiot.
      - smilee
        
        Your are mean your own foul words convict you on that. You have no character or show anyone respect. Your a rude, crude despicable person
  - Sancheen Hudson
    
    smilee the only people who see anyone as all black regardless of how much black they have in them are the ones who are black. We no longer live in the slave days, where most people thought anyone with any amount of black was black, we live in the here and now, where the blacks are the ones who believe that. Just ask that one actress who has said numerous times that her daughter is black even though the little girl has more white in her than she does black. That actress has said she believes if a person has even 1% black in them that they are black, not mixed or white.
    - smilee
      
      It is still happening in the here and now and also seen that way by many white people. What I said was it originated in the slave days but it still still remains. Why would the KKK membership go up almost 2300% since Obama took office. It was almost extinct before that and it has had a big reassurance and is quite active again. Racism is alive and well in the here and now albeit not as bad as before the civil rights act as the government now will arrest you for the racist criminal acts which before were overlooked so it is no where as bad as in the jim crow days but it is a long way from being dead and gone.
  - Davehope
    
    You are totally of base. Pbs seldom gives a conservitive view on any program. Your remark about 5% black is a racial slur.
    - smilee
      
      I watch it a lot and that is not true, even Bill Moyers (who is considered by many conservative to be very far left) frequently has lengthy interviews with conservatives. Do you ever watch him? The News hour always gives both conservatives and liberals equal time and in length not just sound bites or a bit more. The 5% black was not my statement so please read my posts more carefully before you respond.
      - Todd S
        
        It’s fascinating that you would even consider using Bill Moyers in defense of an unbiased PBS. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/jun/23/oped3/
      - smilee
        
        I do not believe PBS is unbiased I think that is your bias. The article you cite by Cal Thomas is laughable as Cal Thomas has a very strong bias against anyone who does not agree with him and an agenda of deceit that goes back many years and I do not view him as a credible source. I merely said Bill Moyers interviews conservatives and treats them with respect when he does. I have watched many of his interviews with conservatives and he allows them to speak their mind without trying to put words in their mouth or trap them that is so common today especially on FOX and other Conservative biased so called news outlets.
      - Todd S
        
        Is Ad Hominem you default method? Or are you just in knee jerk reaction mode for this particular website?
        
        “I think that is your bias” I never stated my position on PBS.
        
        “The article you cite by Cal Thomas is laughable” I linked to the article because of the facts presented therein which you do not address.
        
        I was pointing out that if you are going to defend PBS, I wouldn’t be hanging my hat on Bill Moyers. He’s been a progressive advocate since his split with Harry Guggenheim in the late 60s.
        
        He’s never heard anyone advocate liberal ideas on NPR. He argued that Pacifica Radio was a model of unbiased, independent media. And he decried conservatives as forces of culturally-induced ignorance.
        
        I’m not opposed to Bill Moyers and have shared his work. But your post is a lightning rod. Bill Moyers did not identify his bias. Since addressing bias begins with recognizing bias, some consider him a hypocrite.
        
        A rigorous defense of PBS has historically been based on diversity of programming.
      - smilee
        
        Your approach is always spinning everything. I have followed Cal Thomas for years and I do not find him credible so I do not agree he presented any real facts. I did not say you state your position on PBS but you used Cal’s article instead inferring you agreed with him and your defense of Cal now supports that inference. “This is what I said about Bill Moyers
        
        ” I merely said Bill Moyers interviews conservatives and treats them with respect when he does. I have watched many of his interviews with conservatives and he allows them to speak their mind without trying to put words in their mouth or trap them that is so common today especially on FOX and other Conservative biased so called news outlets”
        
        This is factual and that is not using him to defend PBS as I never did that I have defended it on its diversity pf programming and its balance of both conservative and liberal views and the News Hour always allows both equal time. Even Bill Moyers allows conservatives to speak freely when on his show albeit he has his own opinion and often to the contrary but on occasion I have seen him agree.. You cannot say he is disrespectful, but I have seen Cal Thomas be disrespectful albeit he is no where near the most disrespectful amongst conservatives of which there are many.
      - Todd S
        
        “Your approach is always spinning everything.”
        Ad Hominem attack that does not provide specific examples.
        
        “I have followed Cal Thomas for years and I do not find him credible so I do not agree he presented any real facts.”
        Ad Hominem attack that does not address the article examples.
        
        “I did not say you state your position on PBS”… “but you used Cal’s article instead inferring you agreed with him and your defense of Cal now supports that inference.”
        You accused me of bias. I explained that I was citing the article’s specific examples. I am not unaware of Cal’s bias as a Bush appointee. But there are numerous correlating sources.
        
        “This is factual and that is not using him to defend PBS as I never did that”…”Even Bill Moyers allows conservatives to speak freely when on his show”
        
        I perused this site. I responded to one of several threads where you appear to be defending PBS. You picked a host that you know conservatives disliked and upheld him to try and show conservatives as blinded or closed minded. I agree that Bill does allow opposition. But this does not serve as diversity in programming nor reflect Bill’s body of work.
        
        I apologize for the use of the word fascinating. Perhaps that is what has set you off here. So I’m going with that take away that you agree “I have defended it on its diversity pf programming” and ignore the rest. If you continue to foist that Bill Moyers on a conservative site, then you’re set upon antagonizing your audience. That is not a path to constructive dialogue.
  - stephanie wilson
    
    ha!!
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  Apparently you are not capable of a reasonable discussion, just name-calling.
- NotYour UsualPolitics
  
  PBS is a neutral forum presenting both sides and letting it’s listeners and viewers draw their own conclusions. You’re the type of person who sees liberal’s in anything you disagree with. Just because you disagree doesn’t automatically make it liberal and only a very small minded person would think in those terms. Of course I doubt you actually think, you just listen to the talking heads and let them give you your opinion because you can’t come up with one on your own.
  - GreatNana9MM
    
    Neutral Forum? Hmmm
    - NotYour UsualPolitics
      
      Well it was until the Koch brothers started giving them massive amounts of cash, now they’re starting a hard right turn from the center where they’d spent their years giving the American public and HONEST and open appraisal of things
john robel

We have NEVER sent and Never will send a cent to PBS, for many reasons. This is just another example of the liberal propaganda agenda that is the core of PBS. How many tickle me elmo’s and such have been sold by PBS? They can pay their way or go to hell. Tavis, Bill Moyers, the list goes on and on.
- 1MarianneD
  
  How many severely retarded people do you support? Either with volunteer time or money?
  - jillocity
    
    excuse me but my down syndrome nephew just passed away 10 days ago…and he was twice the man any of these late term abortionists will ever be…he was capable of deep love, and never failed to bring joy to the lives of all of us…and you ASSUME that no one has ever volunteered to care for people who are disabled/retarded…you are less than they
    - Shofar threading
      
      God bless you and your family jillocity..
      
      Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”( Luke 18:14)
  - James Seidel
    
    There are still worthy causes. If more people volunteered…We might have less Big Brother runing/ruining our lives.
- GLORIA SOLORANO
  
  Boycot PBS make them out of the media………….LORD HAVE MERCY ON THEM.
- NotYour UsualPolitics
  
  First off you really don’t pay a real amount of money to impact PBS. But more importantly to me, why doesn’t it bother you that sponsors like the Koch Brothers are literally rewriting American History on “Public Airwaves?
  
  This article is utter nonsense. The piece neither defends or condemns late term abortions contrary to what the writer proclaims. It actually shows all sides of the story and yes this is a complicated issue no matter how simple people would like to make it. There are a number of serious medical conditions that may lead up to what can only be described as a horrible position to be in. These are not woman doing it as a birth control method, they’ve attempted to carry the child to term but the complexities involved must elude most of you. In most cases there is a high probability that both mother and child will die if the pregnancy goes to term. I’m sure you folks will justify not taking action somehow but if 2 lives are going to be lost without action yet one could be saved with action I’ll ask what is the proper moral choice? Letting 2 people die (and I only say people because that’s what m,any of you think there is the minute a sperm cell embeds i an egg which is another argument altogether) or only letting one die, the one that had the least chance of survival of the 2.
  
  Also for those of you who think you’re paying for PBS you are technically correct but with it being only 0.012% of budget we’re talking literally pocket change and you would give up all the other wonderful work because of one show that puts a human face on this issue? Absolutely the stupidest thought out there today.
  - Barrustio
    
    A “human face on the issue” usually has opposing thoughts. This “complicated issue” of which you speak which IS in fact rather simple. If your heart beat stops ….you die. It’s no different for a baby.
    - Davehope
      
      Amen it is as simple as that.
    - NotYour UsualPolitics
      
      What you would consider a “Baby” and what many others consider a “Baby” I’m sure are quite different things Madam, I don not consider a cluster of cells or a zygote a baby, I’m sure you do and therein lies the complication. There are tens of thousands of these cell clusters that are lost without any human intervention whatsoever.
      I also find it intriguing that so many of you worry about a child while it’s in the womb and will do anything to make sure it’s born, even against the will of those who are carrying it, then want nothing more to do with it afterwards. You would demand someone incapable of caring for it to see it through to birth and then don’t want a penny of your tax dollars to go toward feeding it housing it, clothing, education etc etc etc.
      I’ll stay out of your health decisions and you stay out of other peoples and the world will get by just fine.
      I’d ask this as well. If you had your way and Abortion was illegal are you going to place the woman in jail for committing the act? What is the penalty if it were to become a criminal act?
      - Barrustio
        
        Refering to a baby as a zygote and saying we “worry about a “child” (your words) while it’s in the womb but don’t care afterwards, has now become PP’s standard talking points to justifiy an act which can easily fill someone with guilt if they have not become calloused and desensitized by PP’s brainwashing standards.
        You are correct that I don’t want my tax dollars going to housing,feeding and clothing a child that was borne out of someone else’s irresponsibility in not using prevention.
        The law of the land says abortion is legal but it also said slavery was legal at one time. But I’m not asking for women to go to jail for what Cesar says belongs to Cesar
        So yes, I will stay out of your health decisions and have all the abortions you want, as long as I’m not asked to be complicit with what I consider murder and have my tax dollars spent on the promotion of promiscuity.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        You are correct that I don’t want my tax dollars going to housing,feeding and clothing a child that was borne out of someone else’s irresponsibility in not using prevention.
        
        Perhaps they were using contraception and it failed. Condoms break, spermicides are not 100% safe, diaphragms move out of position, perhaps the person using the rhythm method didn’t have any rhythm to start with or any other of a number of ways contraception can fail.
        
        Also what the hell kind of person would force a child into a world where it may not be fed and clothed properly? What kind of person doesn’t care if a child doesn’t get an education. Seems to me you suffer from situational Christianity and I just wonder how your Jesus will fell about your actions when they go so clearly against what he specifically instructed you to do. Did he not tell you to treat the least among you as you would treat him?
        With people like you in society your messiah may be born only to have you treat him as a hated being because maybe this time around he’ll be born out of wedlock because who’d believe in a second virgin birth especially in this time of the cynical American.
        With folks like you thinking you have the lock on morality I think Jesus may be hard pressed to find someone who practices what he actually taught rather than the teachings of Rush Limbaugh, Rachael Maddow and all the talking heads who use the few issues Americans disagree on like a tool to pry a big old wedge in between what should be a united one.
        Don’t use your bible if you’re only going to use the parts you agree with and shuck the rust away.
      - Barrustio
        
        One doesn’t have to use a Bible to discern between right and wrong as the “built in scales of justice” called “a conscience” (provided it’s not calloused and desensitized) would know what Jesus said regarding the fate of those who would do harm to “the least among you” for it would “be better that a millstone be tied around their necks and cast into the sea” than to deal with his wrath should you hurt them.
        
        The “failure” of ONE MILLION condoms, diaphrams, spermicides or rythm methods hardly sounds like a reasonable justification for the infanticide. The truth is that we have been programmed by liberals to take a frivolous lackdaisical attitude to LIFE. They keep spreading “the word” of the liberal which excuses promicuous behavior and minimizes abortion down to the level of a condom.
        
        All the excuses regarding education,food, clothing and all the other needs of a child is the twisted need to have other people believe like you and justify the unjustifiable.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        Actually the Bible addresses this issue in many ways, perhaps you’re not reading your scripture enough or being guided by you Pastor, Priest, Reverend, etc. about what the bible says as to when life begins. Now I made the mistake of thinking that everybody knows what the bible has to say about when life begins and when life ends. Because it’s pretty clear. It’s so clear that we have thousands of years of poetry from christian communities reinforcing the point of view. It’s part of funeral liturgy. It’s part of song, and story, and even pop culture. It’s laid out just as clear as anything could be.
        
        But no, apparently it is not widely known that the bible does not ever state that life begins at conception. In fact, it states that life enters and leaves the body through the breath. In with your very first breath, out with your very last.
        
        I thought everyone knew that fundamentalists were not just wrong about science, but also about the bible and theology, as well. But apparently, this isn’t common knowledge. So here it is, a full breakdown on how the bible very clearly states that life begins at breath, not at conception.
        
        Okay, first off, this is so important a theological question to an ancient society (When does life enter the body?) that it’s laid out right there in Genesis:
        
        And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
        
        Gen 2:7So breath is life, and when life is breathed into the earthen vessel that is a human body, it comes alive. “A living soul” as the King James Version gives it. Talking about souls here can be problematic, so lets just talk about life.
        
        There’s a lot of earthen vessel allusions in the bible, calling god the potter, that forms clay vessels (our bodies) into which god places our souls. This was always meant to be a metaphor. Indeed, this is rather problematic if you take it literally, because it means that god is a shoddy potter. How many people are born with defects or serious medical conditions? And what about the transgender person? If you take this stuff literally, it means that god intentionally formed a female body, and put a male soul into that body, or vice versa. This is yet another reason why God itself says in the bible (see below) that you shouldn’t take scripture literally. But back to more scripture about how everything fundamentalists believe is theologically wrong.
        
        By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
        
        Psalms 33:6Gods breath makes everything live, because life is by definition the breath of god within living things.
        
        9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army…
        
        13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
        
        Ezekiel 37 9-10, 13-14Once again, the breath of god is life itself, and in this vision from Ezekiel, life is placed back into bodies which were dead, and they come back to life. It’s all some kind of vision though, the bible doesn’t actually claim that Ezekiel brought an army back from the dead. But it does lay out that life is breath.
        
        If he should set his heart to it and gather to himself his spirit and his breath, all flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust.
        Job 34: 14-15Once again, breath is life, and without breath, human bodies would “return to dust.”
        
        And then, as an aside because “Everybody Knows” that breath is life, Ezekiel introduces the words of god by saying:
        
        Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it:Breath IS life. That first breath is when the soul enters the body, when an earthen vessel becomes alive.
        
        So we know, pretty clearly, that life is breath. From dust ye came, to dust ye shall return, as it is breath and the presence of spirit of god within breath that makes us live.
        
        And something that most people don’t know is that the bible contains an abortion ritual.
        
        Yes, you read that right. The bible contains an ancient ritual designed to cause abortion. It’s in Numbers 5:11-31, and it involves forcing a woman accused of adultery to drink “bitter water” designed to cause a miscarriage. Her belly will swell, and her “thigh” will rot. Thigh of course being a priestly euphemism for ones reproductive organs. It’s known as the ordeal of the bitter water or the trial of jealousy, so named because it is initiated not by the woman, but by her jealous husband.
        
        Furthermore, the bible lays out a clear punishment for those who cause an abortion outside of this ritual:
        
        22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
        
        23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
        
        24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
        
        25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.The fine for causing an abortion is a fine of property damage, to be paid to the woman’shusband. Why property damage? Because a fetus isn’t alive until it has breathed, according to the bible. But if the woman is injured, or dies in the process, then the guy who hit her will be injured or killed in equal measure, an eye for an eye, according to the ancient law.
        
        It can be said with absolute certainty that ancient scripture does not consider a zygote or a fetus even to be alive, because it has not yet drawn breath.
        
        The counterargument is very, very weak, in comparison. It’s all semantics. They cannot lay out a consistent theme within the bible on this topic. Instead, they pick a bunch of random verses, throw them together, and hope that no one notices that none of them really make sense in their context. But here, as I have laid out, there is a consistent theme that breath is life. A thing without breath is not alive. A fetus does not have breath, therefor it is not life according to the bible.
        
        On a final note, I know this community well enough to know that someone must be asking “So do you really believe that it’s acceptable for the intentional or accidental death of a fetus to be considered property damage and a fine paid to the FATHER?”
        
        No, I absolutely do not think that’s acceptable. I find the idea that a woman could have been made to drink poison because her husband was jealous absolutely repulsive. Nor do I think we should try to impose rules for a 5000 year old theocracy on modern people. The only reason to study this scripture is to understand the context of the ancient Jewish people whose religion inspired and laid the foundation for ours. Further than that, I am of the opinion that Christians should be in communication with Rabbinical Judaism, because there are centuries of writings kept by that community that could enrich our understanding of ancient scripture.
        
        That being said: I do not believe that scripture is holy. I don’t believe that it is perfect. I do not believe that it is free from errors
      - Barrustio
        
        Long story short, much of what you say could be considered as much a metaphor as the “God as the Master Potter” excerpt you singled out.
        
        Little things that didn’t escape me as I read your attempt to justify an abortion as as just a disposal of a zygote, was a couple of points which contradict your thoughts regarding breath as the determining factor of life. One refers to “and the spirit entered and he had life” the other referred to when “the soul entered he had life”…..something to that effect because this was a lengthy “explanation”. So my question to you since it appears as you said have studied scripture for reasons other than because you believe is, what does scripture say about WHEN the spirit enters the body? What does it say about when the SOUL enters the body.
        
        Since we’re just talking about life from YOUR perspective of it requiring breath, once a baby has breathed AFTER a failed abortion, and the mother and/or the abortionist decides stop it from BREATHING, are they guilty of murder?
      - buckman21
        
        When the law contradicts what science says, which one is right? And this is what I mean. I can assume you are not religious, and therefore believe science is the absolute truth. So when science says that life begins at conception, and that a human fetus is a life, do you agree or disagree? Because the law says it is not a life.
        So which is correct?
        
        I try not to bring religion into “what constitutes a life” since immediately those against religion go for that jugular. However, while an amoebae is “alive”, it does not become anything more than an amoebae. A human, from the start of fertilization/conception, is a human. It does not become a dog zygote, a kangaroo embryo, or a dolphin fetus. It is a human from start to finish, with two human parents. To say that it is not a life, seems to regard it as not a human. You could therefore argue that a toddler is not human since it is not “fully developed”, or that someone with out legs is not human, because they are not fully there. Is a toddler different from a senior citizen? Is someone that is mentally handicapped different than one with an I.Q. of 170? Or are they all human?
        
        As you said, many people have different views on what defines a life. But when you throw the factor of the fact of the baby being a human from start to finish, it tends to negate many arguments.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        While science says life begins at conception they are correct. Does that mean it’s automatically a Human Being? No, if all factors go extremely well then the cluster of cells will, perhaps, grow into a human being. It is not however a human being simply because it has the potential to be one.
        Much of this particular debate is a smokescreen anyway considering what the topic was third term abortion. NO one seeks a third term abortion just for the hell of it or because it creates a “Hassle” like standing in the way of a career etc. This particular discussion began because somebody got a bug up their butt because PBS dared to try and have an open, honest, discussion about what can only be a wrenching tragedy if it’s taking place that late in the pregnancy. It went off track on the when does life start conversation which I didn’t initiate. I simply pointed out what I’ve just said. No one goes to the third term without either wanting the baby or having the intention of helping another couple fulfill their dream of having a child. Third term is only considered an option when some medical emergency comes up.
        All that said you’re correct about what science says but science has not said that a seed fertilizing an egg will always lead to a human being. As I stated earlier in the former post, thousands upon thousands of these cell clusters end up being expelled by a woman’s body for many medical reasons and therefore they were never human beings, they merely had the potential to become one but nature in it way has made the body reject that zygote and it never had a chance of becoming a fully functional human.
      - buckman21
        
        “All that said you’re correct about what science says but science has not said
        that a seed fertilizing an egg will always lead to a human being. As I stated
        earlier in the former post, thousands upon thousands of these cell clusters end
        up being expelled by a woman’s body for many medical reasons and therefore they
        were never human beings, they merely had the potential to become one but nature
        in it way has made the body reject that zygote and it never had a chance of
        becoming a fully functional human.”
        
        You are not making sense with that statement (I understand it went off track, was merely following the track). So tell me then. What does an egg from a human and a sperm from a human, become? Not a human? If you think it is not human just because of the stage of development, refer again to my point of a toddler vs a senior citizen. If you agree that science says life begins at conception, and that science says a human comes from two human parents, then your argument has no merit. It is a human from the start, just at a different age.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        Can it sustain itself outside the womb? How many of these cell clusters end up in a miscarriage? By your argument there is no natural law and one action always leads to the exact same reaction and in biology that’s simply not true. There are many ways a potential human being may not become one who can sustain life outside of the mothers womb and you want to make ridiculous comparisons. You act as if every fertilized egg makes a human eventually and it’s simply not true. End of story.
      - buckman21
        
        No, it doesn’t “become” one. It IS one. Natural factors non-withstanding. I could have a brain aneurism, does that make me not human because something beyond my control cut my life short? Same with miscarriage. Many factors play into why a miscarriage occurs, but that doesn’t make the baby that died any less human for it. Again, you think it isn’t human if it cannot live outside the womb. You agree with the science, yet contradict yourself when the law says otherwise. So back to my first question: which is right, the law or science?
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        In all this back and forth I think we cab at least agree on this point.The fundamental issues are as follows:
        
        When does pregnancy begin?
        
        Does personhood begin at conception? Is a fertilized egg, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus a person with rights that trump those of the woman upon whose body it depends?
        
        Do women need “evidence” that if they are pregnant, odds are they are going to have a baby?
        
        Do women have the moral agency and fundamental rights to decide whether or not to commit themselves not only to the development of a life within their own bodies, but to a lifelong tie to another human being once a child is born?
        
        Since, unlike Conservatives, I think there should be female voices involved in this (Ever notice when Republicans write some new legislation regarding the reproductives rights of women, there are no woman in the DIAS?) That said I’ll turn to
        
        Joyce Arthur PCAN (Pro-Choice Action Network) because her rebuttal is one of the better ones to this debate and she deserves credit for creating a such a wonderful piece that involved Critical Thinking Skills ( by the way studies have shown that conservatives minds and liberals minds do indeed differ. People who are conservative tend to lack this at a considerably higher rate than liberals) Not that it’s an ironclad rule as William F Buckley Jr. traught us. He was a very skilled orator and had exceptional critical thinking skills. I often wonder what he would think about the state of today’s conservative movement but alas one can only speculate.
        
        None the less let’s start with the most obvious, pregnancy begins at implantation. Human life has to begin with conception, but conception is not the same thing as pregnancy, the latter of which reason, science, and medical evidence agree begins when a fertilized egg successfully implants in the uterus and develops into a healthy embryo. Fertilized eggs take between six to 12 days to implant in the uterine lining. There simply is no pregnancy until this happens, which is why any method that prevents fertilization or implantation can not cause an abortion. A large share of fertilized eggs never successfully implant to establish a pregnancy: Between 50 and 80 percent of fertilized eggs never successfully impant and end in spontaneous miscarriage (and before a woman even knows she is pregnant) because of insufficient hormone levels or an non-viable egg or for some other reason.
        
        Hormonal contraception, including emergency contraception, works to prevent fertilization in the first place. If you were really, really worried, therefore, about abortion at any stage, you would be a strong supporter of universal access to contraception, and to universal and easy access to emergency contraception, which needs to be taken within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse to prevent fertilization from taking place.
        
        Anti-choicers are, of course, against both birth control and emergency contraception, which they attack by confusing conception with “personhood,” and then misrepresenting the mechanisms of action of contraception and the medical definition of pregnancy to blur the lines between contraception and abortion. By endlessly repeating “life begins at conception,” anti-choicers, “egged on,” if you will, by the USCCB and fundamentalist evangelicals, are trying to simultaneously sow confusion about when pregnancy begins and how birth control works to declare a fertilized egg to be a person. This is a precursor to promoting their goals of eliminating both contraception and abortion, making abortion the equivalent of murder, and by extension, controlling women’s bodies and their economic and social choices.
      - buckman21
        
        I think you mean those against all forms of birth control are Catholics, not all conservatives. I’m a conservative, and use birth control. The only one’s I am against, as is my wife, is emergency contraceptives.
        
        “Does personhood begin at conception? Is a fertilized egg, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus a person with rights that trump those of the woman upon whose body it depends?”
        
        So, you are saying one life should be worth more than another? Why is that? Is pregnancy a form of a disease now?
        
        “Do women have the moral agency and fundamental rights to decide whether or not to commit themselves not only to the development of a life within their own bodies, but to a lifelong tie to another human being once a child is born?”
        Is self-sacrifice really that far gone in this world? Who says you need to attach yourself to the baby after it is born? Adoption is always there. Murdering it doesn’t justify “ruining” (and I would put that in the biggest quotes imaginable I could) because of being pregnant. Do you consider a pre-born baby a parasite? If you didn’t want to get pregnant, you know the risks of sex. Don’t have it if you are really that worried. As far as rape is concerned, the death of the child should not be the justification of revenge against the rapist.
    - smilee
      
      Simple minds always have simple conclusions to complex issues and the are never productive
      - Barrustio
        
        Yes they do don’t they?
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        Simple minds like yours perhaps? You’re the kind of person that leans their ear to the fence to hear what others are saying aren’t you? Unless you have actually have something other than slurs to add why don’t you just STFU?
      - smilee
        
        Truth hurts you doesn’t it, your simple mind just cannot handle it.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        You are hardly a challenge in a battle of wits you come unarmed so stop imagining yourself as something your not, intellectually competent.
      - smilee
        
        What a stupid response!! Your a rude crude jerk who denies the truth.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        You wouldn’t know what the truth was if it smacked you upside the head. It’s abundantly obvious you’re little more than a parrot regurgitating the latest meme distributed by the far rights talking head punditry class. You’re incapable of either original thought and lack the skill of critical thinking so you simply spout off at the mouth and nod along with the voices of radio and television. You are the true low information voter taking everything you hear at face value and not researching for yourself where and what the truth is.
        Also calling me a rude jerk after your original comment is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black so again I’ll remind you when you don’t know what you’re talking about perhaps it’s better to just STFU.
      - smilee
        
        I guess you did not get it the first times so I repeat, it is the real truth and it escapes you. SHAME!!
        
        Truth hurts you doesn’t it, your simple mind just cannot handle it.
        
        What a stupid response!! Your a rude crude jerk who denies the truth.
      - NotYour UsualPolitics
        
        My God you are about the stupidest S.O.B. I’ve encountered as of late. You’re wrong, the truth lies within the words I’ve used here and you are one dumb mother (expletive deleted) now please stop proving what a moron you are and simply move along dummy before I show you a genuine butt kicking.
- smilee
  
  What you do not agree with you always see as liberal. You do not like to hear the truth and that is what PBS gives you and the truth is never conservative or liberal but just true. You do not like that so you call it liberal. Closed minds are ignorant minds.
smilee

UNFILTERED?? This is the most filtered article I have ever read! At least PBS tells the truth good or bad and does not have an agenda as this falsely labeled unfiltered site does. This site is full of real propaganda. and lies.
- jillocity
  
  when was the last time you heard or saw a pro-life program on PBS…they definitely have an agenda
  - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
    
    I think if you watch it, it will probably give you enough information to make up your own mind. In the trailer I did see anti-opinion. And that was just a trailer. Why not watch instead of blasting something you haven’t seen.
  - smilee
    
    Telling the truth is not an agenda it is informative to open minds. It is to bad you cannot recognize the truth when you are confronted with it. There are two sides to every issue and they show both. It is unfortunate you do not want to hear the other side. LISTEN AND LEARN!!!!
- longshorts
  
  What is “truth”? Your truth, or mine? PBS tells no “truth”, just opinions.
  - smilee
    
    The truth is the truth and is neither yours nor mine. I recognize it you apparently are not capable of that as you only want to see what you want the truth to be not what it really is.
    - longshorts
      
      Truth is what I see with my own eyes, not your eyes. You are the one who is incapable of seeing through other eyes. Out of curiosity, I viewed a late third term abortion, the baby managed to breathe and cry before it was torn to pieces and thrown into a trash can. My Doctor supplied the video. Have you ever viewed this yourself? If not, you have no opinion.
      - smilee
        
        Your comment is irrelevant to this documentary. The truth is the truth and is neither yours nor mine.and you cannot see through my eyes nor can I see through yours. I can only respond to what you say and you have gone off on a tangent here into irrelevant territory.
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        That’s why we need a law criminalizing abortions in the third trimester. Make sure women know, that if they want an abortion, they must do it within the first two trimesters.
- buckman21
  
  Dear PBS,
  
  This is quite the bold move. As a third rate, tax subsidized broadcasting outfit with a viewership in the single digits, I’d expect you’d try your best to fly under the radar. There is, after all, no conceivable reason for you to exist, nor is there a solid justification for spending tax money to keep afloat an irrelevant television channel that has long since drowned amid a sea of a million other channels.
  
  Sure, you “only” bring in about 40 million dollars a year in tax money, but why draw attention to the scam? It might be a good 460 million dollars less than the amount that Obama gave to Planned Parenthood last year, but it’s still a sizable sum. It’s still 40 million dollars earmarked for a TV channel which provides absolutely nothing that can’t be found on dozens of other TV channels.
  
  Yet here we are, and you’ve decided to air a 90 minute pro-late term abortion propaganda piece. Of all of the documentaries at your disposal, you chose to give airtime on your tax funded airwaves to a film that glorifies the butchery of viable, fully formed human beings.
  
  The synopsis on your website says that the pro-infanticide film After Tiller paints a “humanizing” portrait of the “doctors” who openly kill fully developed babies who could survive outside of the womb — if they weren’t first poisoned or dismembered by these very “courageous” medical professionals.
  
  In fact, I think the entire synopsis you provide is worth a read:
  
  Martha Shane and Lana Wilson’s After Tiller is a deeply humanizing and probing portrait of the only four doctors in the United States still openly performing third-trimester abortions in the wake of the 2009 assassination of Dr. George Tiller in Wichita, Kansas—and in the face of intense protest from abortion opponents. It is also an examination of the desperate reasons women seek late abortions. Rather than offering solutions, After Tiller presents the complexities of these women’s difficult decisions and the compassion and ethical dilemmas of the doctors and staff who fear for their own lives as they treat their patients.
  
  Compassion.
  
  The compassion of people who get paid to kill children.
  
  Pray you never encounter that sort of “compassion,” PBS, for it ends in blood and death and suffering.
  
  Imagine if you aired a documentary which painted slaveowners or Klan members as compassionate. You’d be condemned across the globe, funding would be cut, the President would publicly admonish you, and thousands of death threats would fill up your mailbox. But, instead, you broadcast a love letter to people who kill infants, and a mob of morally bankrupted liberals celebrate you for it.
  
  Congratulations.
  
  So I know I’m in the anti-murdering-fully-developed-children-minority, but I still hope you’ll consider a few points about this movie you’re about to show:
  
  First, yes, George Tiller was a late term abortionist who was murdered a few years ago. He was shot through the eye, as I understand, which means the man who aborted him used a far more humane method than the one Tiller used to slaughter 60 thousand human children.
  
  Still, I don’t condone aborting abortionists. I think it’s morally wrong, but only a fool would act as though they don’t understand why a man who made millions through putting children down like rabid dogs at the kennel might be the target of considerable and passionate disapproval.
  
  I hope his killer has asked for God’s forgiveness, but I also hope that the many people who feel no anger in the face of such unspeakable atrocities have also begged for the Lord’s mercy. I can tell you this: those who sit silently and condone the violent destruction of innocent children are, without question, guilty of a sin as serious as, if not more serious than, the man who let his disgust at these crimes against humanity get the best of him.
  
  Interestingly, it’s precisely my opposition to abortion which allows me to oppose the late term abortion procedure that this man conducted on Tiller. It is only because I see abortion as wrong that I can see killing abortionists as wrong. But if I considered it to be morally sound to suck the brains out of babies, I suppose I’d be at a loss to explain why it’s morally unsound to blow the brains out of baby killers.
  
  Ironically, only pro-lifers can really have a problem with pro-lifers murdering abortionists.
  
  Second, it’s true that women who choose to kill their babies in the third trimester of pregnancy are desperate. By definition, this is a desperate act. But all murder is desperate. Rarely does one kill unless one feels especially compelled to do so. Nobody ever claimed that abortion is an unserious or flippant decision, nor has anyone argued that it isn’t a decision.
  
  We understand that it’s both serious and a choice. This is not being disputed anywhere by anyone. The question, then, is whether it is the morally right choice. Or a better question: if destroying innocent life isn’t a wrong choice, then by what standard can we judge anything else to be a wrong choice?
  
  I cannot comprehend how anyone could conjure up a definition of “morally wrong” that doesn’t include decapitating children, but does include, say, car theft and tax evasion (the sin of all sins, to be sure).
  
  It’s essential here to note that, despite how it’s presented in this movie, most late term abortions are performed for the same reasons that most other abortions are performed. Financial issues, lifestyle concerns, relationship problems, etc.
  
  Late term abortions are not done out of concern for the “health of the mother,” and under no circumstance is a third trimester abortion necessary to save a mother’s life.
  
  Third, the “humanizing” efforts of After Tiller seem to revolve rather heavily around the fact that these doctors “fear for their lives.”
  
  Perhaps they do, although those fears are likely overblown. A relative few abortion doctors have been killed over the past several decades, and the percentage is ever decreasing as our society continues to forget why it should even feel all that ticked off at people who assassinate children for a living.
  
  Besides, Nazis also assumed an immense amount of personal and professional risk, as do pedophiles, as do terrorists. Indeed, many more Nazis, pedophiles, and terrorists have been killed than abortionists, so why don’t you air a documentary that tries to make us feel sorry for these other poor, helpless, monstrous victims?
  
  Or maybe we can all just accept the inevitable reality that violent predators sometimes become prey. Maybe the best way to avoid that fate is to avoid engaging in acts of staggering evil and depravity. Maybe that’s a better strategy than killing 40 thousand kids and crying that sometimes folks get kinda upset about it.
  
  Fourth, this is a hard one for me. I don’t want to act as though late term abortion is a greater evil than earlier term abortions. That only reinforces the ridiculous notion that babies at 18 weeks are somehow “less alive” than babies at 28 weeks. A life is a life. There can not be degrees or various severities to life. A thing is living or it is not. It is human or it is not. No scientist worth his weight in textbooks would ever tell you that life and humanity are somehow subjective.
  
  But our culture has constructed a fantastic and utterly fictitious rationale which allows us to cooperate with evil without confronting the reality of what we’re doing. This is nothing new. Germans were guilty of this, slave era Americans were guilty of it. It takes the right mixture of cowardice, selfishness, and stupidity — and, God save us, humanity has never been in short supply of these ingredients.
  
  So late term abortion isn’t worse than any other abortion, but it does exist outside of the rationale used by many pro-choicers. It is the same as the killing they otherwise condone, but it removes any and all pretense that the killing is anything other than killing. In that way, people who support late term abortion have achieved a new level of wickedness.
  
  These are babies that look like babies, are developed like babies, are babies. Many of them could survive outside of the womb. Rather than letting them have life, rather than letting them be born alive and put up for adoption, we kill them hours before delivery, or sometimes during delivery, and dump their bodies down the toilet.
  
  My kids were born premature and ended up in the NICU for a little while. When I was there, I saw a lot of infants like this:
  
  This is what these compassionate abortion doctors are killing.
  
  While real doctors work to save these children, blood thirsty, perverted, despicable, degenerate quacks charge enormous sums of money to steal their lives away.
  
  Fifth, I noticed that the movie about late term abortion seems to contain very little information about late term abortion.
  
  An innocent oversight, I’m sure, so please allow me to fill in the gaps.
  
  We are told that Tiller, the Patron Saint of Infanticide, pioneered a new method that is both safe for the mother and painless for the baby.
  
  Now, even if it were painless for the baby, justifying abortion based on “painlessness” is like justifying rape based on the woman’s unconsciousness. As it happens, though, the procedure is far from safe or painless for anyone involved (including the abortionist, apparently).
  
  Tiller’s patented late term murdering method involves injecting the baby with a fatal dose of Digoxin, a drug originally made to combat heart disease, but used, in this case, to induce a massive heart attack. Tiller said this was “painless” and “peaceful,” but why don’t you go and have a massive heart attack and then come back and tell us just how painless and peaceful it all was.
  
  After the baby dies, afraid, in agony, inside his mother’s womb, the abortionist sends the woman home. There, sometimes the baby will be “delivered” early, and the scared and guilt ridden young lady will endure a horrific scene where she gives birth to her murdered child’s corpse in the middle of her bedroom, or in a car, or in the bathroom at a hotel.
  
  If, however, everything goes to plan, the “patient” will return to the clinic twice more, where she will be given more drugs until she finally ejects her dead child out of her birth canal, at which point it will either be tossed in a dumpster or flushed down the toilet.
  
  Sometimes, the baby survives the initial poisoning and is born alive. At this point, many late term abortionsits will either sever its spinal cord with a pair of scissors, or leave it in the corner of the room to die alone.
  
  Kermit Gosnell went to jail for this, which is absurd considering he didn’t do anything that every other late term abortionist hasn’t done at some point. And no matter how common live births are, in the end, the difference between killing a born infant or a Pre-born late term infant is only a matter of hours and location. There is no substantive distinction to be made between the two acts.
  
  Other late term abortion procedures involve ripping the child to shreds as it leaves the uterus, or suctioning its brains out just seconds before it’s whole body emerges from the birth canal. The morbid lunacy of late term abortion can be perfectly encapsulated in the fact that we don’t consider it “murder” as long as the baby’s head is still inside of his mother’s vagina.
  
  Sixth, your efforts to humanize abortionists are not necessary. We all know that abortionists are human. That’s why they’re so evil. If they were wolves, or crocodiles, or spiders, we wouldn’t be quite as disturbed by their propensity to murder children of their own species. But, as much as they behave like beasts, they are not. They are people. They are people who do terrible things. They are people who kill children. That’s who they are. We know. God help us, we know.
  
  The only people who need to be “humanized” are the slaughtered children. They are the one group whose very humanity we deny. We all recognize the personhood of born humans — black, white, gay, straight, Christian, atheist — our modern society does not fundamentally and categorically deny any of these groups entry into the human race. And thank goodness for that.
  
  But Pre-born children are denied entry. If they are inconvenient we murder them, if they are disabled we murder them, if they are unplanned we murder them, if they are too expensive we murder them, if they are sick we murder them, if they are unwanted we murder them, if they are the wrong gender we murder them. We murder them and we don’t even have the integrity to face what we are doing. We murder them for things beyond their control; things that, if they were born, we’d have to accept, tolerate, embrace, and love.
  
  If they are sick and born, we treat them. Disabled and born, we help them. Expensive and born, we sacrifice for them. Inconvenient and born, we adjust for them. Unwanted and born, we adopt them. Unplanned and born, we change our plans for them. If they are born, in whatever state, in whatever circumstance, we care for them. We kiss them, we hug them, we feed them, we clothe them, we fawn over them, we talk about them, we look at pictures of them and our hearts are filled with joy at the sight of them.
  
  But before birth, we treat them like cockroaches. Discarded, murdered, forgotten, ignored.
  
  Humanize?
  
  Look behind those abortion clinics, PBS. Whose bodies are in the hazardous waste containers? Whose corpses are incinerated by the thousands? Whose heart is injected with poison? Whose spinal cord is snipped?
  
  The abortionists? Or the babies?
  
  You answer that question, and then tell me who needs the humanizing around here.
  
  Shame on you, PBS.
  
  Propagate baby murder and you share in the sin.
  
  Sincerely and with all of the respect that you deserve,
  
  Matt Walsh
  - smilee
    
    What a deep pile of manure. Your an arrogant despicable person with no respect for those who may not fully agree with you.You are a person filled with hate and rage. I am not PBS either so you sent this to the wrong person. I will not wade into your pile of manure, the stink is just too strong and it would serve no useful purpose so good bye to you and good riddance.
    - buckman21
      
      It was a copy pasted letter from Matt Walsh to PBS. Just showing a side of the story you obviously hold blinders to. Continue believing that killing a fully developed child is ok as long as it is the law. It’s your right. Just know you are evil for it.
      - smilee
        
        So, by your posting it I would think you approve of it. No blinders I noticed the hate it expressed and the unpure motives associated with it. Believing in the rule of law is not evil and I do not believe in abortion but I respect everyone even those I wish little or no association with, I am not evil and your sayings so brings into question if might not be.
      - buckman21
        
        Turning a blind eye to something horrific is just as bad as approving of it. From your stance on abortion, you would be one of the individuals saying, “I don’t like slavery, but since its the law, they can do as they please.” Back when it was legal that is.
        
        The whole point with the objection to this documentary, is that it was done with tax payer money. Trying to “humanize” mass murderers. You can do propaganda films all you want, just do it on your own dime, not others who obviously don’t all share the same view.
      - smilee
        
        Just your opinion on your spin of my words not on what I really said, that is the equivalent of a lie. Goodbye pest!
      - buckman21
        
        My opinion? Prove me otherwise how it is different. I say abortion is wrong and should be outlawed for example. You say abortion is bad, yet legal, so you just look the other way. How would that be different to anything that is/was once legal, yet bad?
      - buckman21
        
        And, you didn’t comment on my point that this was made with tax payers dollars, not someones private funds.
brenda Harrell

If they do that, do not send another dime to PBS Period.
marlene

MURDERERS!
1MarianneD

Do anti-abortionists support severely retarded people with their volunteer time or money?
- cumiadom
  
  Sure. We pay for Smilee Food Stamps and Obamaphone
  - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
    
    Obama started neither Food Stamps nor the Lifeline telephone program:
    
    http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone
- GreatNana9MM
  
  Yes ma’am we do. Special Olympics. and many other groups.
dirtflyer

Liberals have no concious, or intelligence, they’ll murder the unborne and think nothing of it. They object to any one killing an animal for food but see nothing wrong chumping down a hamgurger at McDonalds. Hypocrits who eventually will get us all killed by our enemies cause they object to the 2nd Amendment and a strong national defense.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  They, they, they. I am glad that you know so much about a group of people that is composed of a great number of individuals. I, personally, don’t fit into any of the stereotypes that you list here.
4USA2

No more donations during “fund raising time” to PBS! As of late, the news on PBS has become VERY BIASED and government subsidizing says it all!
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  What bias have you seen on The NewsHour? They generally have talking heads from two or three sides for discussion of issues.
4lifeandfreedom

It should be called “The Killing Field!” We have Planned Parenthood, NARAL , Emily’s List, etc. all praising political candidates for their stand for “women’s reproductive rights,” that being so for Mike Michaud in Maine, running for governor. He had claimed to be pro-life when running for Congress, and accepted money from pro-life organizations–now the blood money is crossing his palms! What a travesty that killing is praised to the hilt. A child is always killed in any abortion, whether at 1 week or 9 months!
We have adamant pro-killing of the unborn United States Senators and Representatives in Maine, leaders of the Republican committee in Maine who are of the same mindset, but directly opposing the platform they are supposed to be representing–what nonsense to support any of them!
Guest

How can they cann murder an abortion? Does using the word abortion somehow make it OK to kill a baby that is able to live outside the womb? This has been the pro-abortioners arument
Guest

How can they call murder an abortion? In the 3rd trimester most infants are able to live outside the womb, some may need medical
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  Perhaps the program will go into who and why people are seeking these abortions, as well as under what circumstances they are legal and what ones they are not. Watch the program and then comment on it. All these opinions on a trailer don’t carry much wait, they just repeat people’s preconceived notions. If we watch, then perhaps we will have more knowledge with which to form opinions and discuss the issues.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  Why don’t you watch the show. Maybe you will learn something.
adrianvance

Is not the Democratic Party committing suicide with this policy?

Google “Two Minute Conservative” When you speak they will listen.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  What policy?
  - adrianvance
    
    Promoting abortion.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      Without having seen the show?
      - adrianvance
        
        Show?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        As in the POV television program that we have been discussing, although no one has actually seen it yet.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      Being pro-choice is not “promoting abortion.” I have very mixed thoughts and feelings about abortion. For me it is not a simple subject. But I do support the rights of others to make up their own minds.
      - adrianvance
        
        What would the fetus say?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Watch the program before making up your mind!
rick

As long as they air this in greater Los Angeles , Who cares ?
Joseph Toth

I’ll bet you will never see a pro-life program on PBS. I will never give a dime to those people. They are so liberal they don’t even try to disguise it.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  Don’t judge a movie by its trailer. Why not actually watch the show before condemning it?
Carrie Barton

“I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” Reagan

Any Ben Carson fans if you have not signed the petition with last two months need help to nominate him http://www.runbenrun.org/petition?recruiter_id=207883
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  He’s a surgeon with political views. I don’t think that gives him the criteria to run for president.
  - Carrie Barton
    
    Medical politics. So you think that these politicians are doing a great job, I don’t think so.
    
    Dr. Carson has managerial and leadership experience, having lead a team of more than 50 people in an operating room during one of his most famous interventions.
    
    Also, a good number of people in this country are so sick of D.C. politics as usual and politicians in general, so someone who hasn’t been corrupted and co-opted into one tribe or another in Washington is a plus. In that sense Dr. Carson is a breath of fresh air and he is exactly the kind of leader the Founding Fathers envisioned when they wrote the founding documents. They wanted strong patriots who would leave their farms, businesses or medical practices (several of the signers of the Constitution were physicians) to go serve their country honorably and bravely, then return to their families, homes and livelihoods. Finally, a number of our greatest presidents have had little political experience, from the first ones to one of the greatest, President Lincoln (who only had one two-year term in Congress before becoming president.
    
    What is necessary for an effective president are the qualities Dr. Carson has in abundance: character, wisdom, leadership, intelligence, compassion, trustworthiness, and, perhaps above all, a great love of country and its founding principles.
Goblin The Weasel Perrins

The author apparently has seen only the trailer, not the whole film. I don’t think that’s enough to judge the show by (as in book/cover). Taking a look at something helps us understand it. I plan on watching it and coming to my own conclusions.
- GreatNana9MM
  
  OH well please watch this http://www.herestheblood.com, and let it help you understand it.. Please watch it anc come to your own conclusions. Be prepared! It is very difficult to watch.
paulnordin@aol.com

Abortion is not nice. But a woman must have a choice. I strongly urge that our legislators create a national law that permits abortion at any time during the first two trimesters and criminalizes abortion at any time during the third trimester. When all citizens know that a woman must make an abortion decision during the first two trimesters, there will probably be very few or zero abortions (murders) in the third trimester. Let’s all get behind this issue and get rid of Roe v. Wade!
- longshorts
  
  Yes, I agree, a woman must have a choice. BUT, the choice should not be about abortion, the choice should be whether she has sex for progeny, or recreation. The AMA should be researching on an easily reversible form of sterilization for both sexes, not a “better” form of anti-conception for people who do not want children “just now”. A surgery free easy form of reversible sterilization would completely eliminate the controversy about abortion. We may already have the technology to do this, but no-one has thought to apply it that way.
  - GreatNana9MM
    
    Choice of whether to be responsible for her actions, choose to abstain or make better decisions rather than murder, and don’t forget the men involved in pressuring the girls that they impregnate to murder their children as well. They are not without blame, they are as complicit as the women they shove into the abortuaries “PLanned Parentood.”
- Boommach
  
  Satan is most appreciative of your broadminded, middle of the pack, wholly conformist approach.
  
  Killing our most innocent is not a choice. It is evil.
  - paulnordin@aol.com
    
    So, Boommach, it sounds like you are in favor of late term abortions and murder of an infant as it exits the body of the mother? These are legal under Roe v. Wade. Please tell me that I am wrong on where you stand. And where do you stand on the issue? And please consider the right of the pregnant woman to not have this child.
    - Boommach
      
      @paulnordin “So, Boommach, it sounds like you are in favor of late term abortions and murder of an infant as it exits the body of the mother? These are legal under Roe v. Wade. Please tell me that I am wrong on where you stand. And where do you stand on the issue? And please consider the right of the pregnant woman to not have this child.”
      
      Apparently you did not read my post. Killing our most innocent is evil. You struggle to come off as above the fray. In reality, you are a coward. I have no problem telling you that and that you are dead wrong with respect to your mitigative attempt to accept evil for the sake of convenience. I did not maintain any abortion was illegal. My argument is that it is abjectly immoral. All of it. The rates of late term abortion are small in comparison to the myriad killings that occur before the third trimester. You apparently are suggesting that by forcing a young mother to “choose” to kill before the third trimester makes any of it right. For you to suggest I favor late term killings is a deceptive extrapolation. Deception is what you are all about. Let’s choose adoption in lieu of death. Let’s take the high ground rather than accepting this evil. It won’t make you popular in the world but it’s not this world you should be concerned with.
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        I am willing to agree to adoption in lieu of abortion. However, I actually do not have a vote. Only one vote is required and that is from the pregnant woman. I do not believe that you will get every pregnant woman to agree on a full term birth followed by adoption. Like you, I would prefer that.
        I am willing to leave Roe v. Wade in control but I think it would be an improvement to legislate as I have suggested. Apparently, you do not think it would be an improvement. Your religious bias is showing very clearly. While you are at liberty to call me a coward (First Amendment, free speech part of it), I will vigorously proclaim my heroism in battles against religious bigots and other entities proposing unworkable solutions to some of the world’s problems. I am not a coward.
      - Boommach
        
        You willingly agree on so much. You are not willing to acknowledge the sanctity of life. You are willing to reduce the validity of creation down to a “vote”. I execute my first amendment rights as you indicate. You lack the intellectual honesty to admit how you favor this killing. My biases are as you state. They are rooted in Truth. That is the same truth you ineptly attempt to dilute. Killing humans is evil.
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        A woman has the right to remove a growth in her womb. Somewhere in the 9 month period, she loses that right. All we need to do is agree on when she loses that right (I have proposed early in the third trimester). When will you face reality and admit that a woman has the ultimate choice to bear the child or not?
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        And you should admit that the Bible has errors (it is called intellectual honesty).
      - Boommach
        
        I stand by my words and the Word. You are as you are and we both know that. Who is your god?
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        I do not believe that there is a God. I do believe that God exists in the minds of those people who believe in Him, such as you and a lot of my friends and family. My friends and family accept me as the atheist that I am. An atheist, btw, who strongly supports Christianity and almost all of the other religions. I have a problem with Islam and the Quran. The Quran and the Bible were written by humans and those books contain errors and do not reflect the modern world.
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        Btw, there is no God but I follow the ten commandments and do most of what the Bible says and do what I consider to be right in this world. I actually do not need a God for that! I am more of a Christian than 90% of the world’s Christians. And I am pretty sure that I could have done better than God (if there is a God) in the Garden of Eden incident!
      - Boommach
        
        If God were proved to you, would you worship Him?
      - paulnordin@aol.com
        
        Yes, no problem!
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  I would agree with you if women wanted third trimester abortions just because they didn’t get around to it sooner. But in the program there were women whose unborn babies had fatal conditions that were not diagnosed until the third trimester. They were not happy that they had to choose among having the abortion, having a stillborn, or having a baby who would die soon after. In one case the baby was missing part of the brain. These were not cases of, Oh, I’ve just decided I don’t want a baby. The only woman in that category was turned away.
RealLib

SO, instead of “complaining about it,” set-up a means to “DO something” about it” — like at least an on-line petition that can be publicized, and forwarded to the socialists at PBS. Doing this, at ;east gives us (the rest of the world) an “opposing voice” to be heard. YOU have” the means,” we do not.
- longshorts
  
  Simply, the best “petition” would be to not support PBS. If enough people do this, PBS will collapse. Money talks, and sh#t goes away.
Donna Lampkin

I will never give PBS another dime!
GLORIA SOLORANO

SEPTEMBER MONTH IS THE DATE FOR RECORDATION IN MEMORY OF THE B.B KILLED IN ABORTION GET INFO. IN YOUR CHURCH AND JOING TO PRAY AGAINST THAT TERRIBLE SIN AND CRIME. GOS BLESS AL WHO FIGHT AGAINTS ABORTION.
sirius1966@earthlink.net

Don’t you just love it when PBS states before a programming that “portions of this may be offensive to some of our more sensitive viewers.”
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  They do that for the news, sometimes, too.
stephanie wilson

i would rather die than promote evil!
- Boommach
  
  Others relish the opportunity to kill and killing our most innocent makes it all the sweeter.. Evil knows no bounds.
  - stephanie wilson
    
    very true. God help us!
    - Boommach
      
      God help us all; indeed.
GreatNana9MM

Mercifully, Abba Father holds each victim of this Holocaust in HIS arms and they are in a place where there is no more pain, no more sorrow and no more tears. He is there to heal and forgive those who made “the choice” to murder this innocent. Pray for those that have been brainwashed into thinking that it is “their choice” to kill this child that God says ” before you were in your mother’s womb, I knew YOU.” Much Prayer Needed!
rukiddinsport

The late Democrat US Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (NY) defined late term abortion for what it is, specifically: He pronounced: “Late term abortion is infanticide”.
- GreatNana9MM
  
  Exactly! I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to watch this video.
  it is graphic and very difficult to watch, but it is truth and it is important.
  http://herestheblood.com/
Cobra212

Seems to me that Pro-abortion is anti-religion. If it has to do with religion, even if it is in opposition to their beliefs, use of government funds shouldn’t be permitted. If the government can’t be involved in the establishment of religion, they shouldn’t be able to be involved in its undermining either. When are Christians going to sue the government, like the atheists do for anything involving religion, for using tax dollars in pursuit of anti-religious beliefs.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  The laws are not based on religion. Anyone who doesn’t believe in abortion doesn’t have to have one.
Barrustio

Good thing about living in Houston, is KUHT (which is blacking out this trash) doesn’t waste taxpayers funds putting on bullshit shows which are pro-abortion disguised as a “public interest” forum. Texans are on the those who do not respect life and can see through “Abortion Barbie’s” attacks on Greg Abbott for what they are ….an extension of her minions who were prepared (had they not been caught) to throw used tampons, jars of urine and bags of feces at legislators in the rotunda when they felt their rights to decimate babis were being threatened
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  How do you know it’s trash if you haven’t seen it? There is a word for pre-judging something.
  - Barrustio
    
    Anything that does not allow for an opposing view is propaganda…..propaganda regardless of the source is always trash.
    - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
      
      How do you know what views there are if you haven’t seen it?
      - Barrustio
        
        Simple deduction…..if opposing views were included, pro lifers wouldn’t be protesting the one sided views…..duh
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        UH – these posts were made before the show was aired. How would they know what views were included?
      - Barrustio
        
        Certainly you’ve heard of previews…..do you really think experts are going to put their foot in their mouth by commenting on a show which has a one-sided view if it didn’t? People would be eating crow daily. But if you viewed the show let me know which pro-life views were espoused on the show. I was not privvy to the show though I considered watching it just to observe the propaganda tactics used but KUHT thought it was a waste of air space and public contributor dollars and didn’t air it.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Yes, but a 30-second trailer doesn’t tell a lot. I have now watched the whole show. That doesn’t mean that I agree with any or all of it. But it did help me understand the viewpoints of the people involved. Purposely staying ignorant of something you don’t think you will approve us doesn’t make you any more informed. And remember, the show is called Point of View (POV). I don’t watch it often, but it does courageously deal with controversial subjects.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        The views were from the doctors who do the abortions and their beliefs that they are helping people; the patients – most of whom were pregnant with babies with extreme medical conditions, one who was raped, and a couple who felt they couldn’t deal with giving birth. One of these was accepted, and one was turned away; and some protestors and a town meeting where people were (mostly, it appears) opposed to a clinic opening in their town. There were no other opinions given by a narrator or other “outsiders,” It was an informational documentary, not a debate.
      - Barrustio
        
        I don’t know that it is very courageous to deal with controversial subjects by putting out a one-sided view. Refusing to view what one knows is a one-sided view does not equate with a desire to remain ignorant of a particular subject. The complications of a late term abortion is well known to pro lifers, it is imperative that they be well versed in the talking points which the pro-abortionists will put out to justify/qualify their actions. Is it complicated to make decisions when there is risk to the mother’s life….that is a given and should be discussed albiet with opposing views. But the fact be told, it has become too easy to to dismiss the termination of a baby because of “potential” deformities, gender, and just plain inconvenience under the umbrella of “choice”. Of course, you can easily discount my pre-conceive notion of what the show would be like, since you saw the entire show. Did the show do a follow-up on the after effects on the women who had these late term abortions whether they be physical or psycological. Were there any opposing views presented by pro-lifers themselves, not the perception of what the pro-abortionists have of pro-lifers views?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        It wasn’t a debate; it was a point of view. Kind of like the Fox Five.
      - Barrustio
        
        The mere comparison of a point of view on the Fox Five being on the same level of the dismemberment of a baby is really quite a stretch. Still, it did not have to be a debate to show any potential after affects on the women who went throught the procedure. One thing that surely was not dwelt on, is the reason why there’s only four of them that do these procedures. Could it be that all other abortionist consider what they are doing, murder? You do know that at least one woman died at the hands of one of these “doctors” and that they have had numerous 911 calls. I’m sure they didn’t dwell on that much either.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        The comparison is that the Fox show considers only one side, something you say you are against.
        
        The point still is that you have not watched the program, so you haven’t learned anything. Maybe the reason that there are only four of these doctors is that others are afraid that they may be murdered by people who call themselves “pro-life.” Nor were the babies dismembered.
        
        Tonight I watched Great Performances “Rejoice:” Itzak Perlman and Yitzchak Helfgot performing traditional Jewish/Yiddish/Klezmer music. There was no opposing music from other religions. And I’m not even Jewish
      - Barrustio
        
        Everybody knows music is universal…..I play everything from the blues to jazz to Tejano to Salsa but I can still dig Perlman….S they say in Houston Tx ….that dar boy plays a mean fiddle
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        But it still shows only one view. That is the subject of this discussion.
      - Barrustio
        
        Google “Live Action News Update” and click on “Five things that you don’t know about After Tiller” and expand your knowledge of the “subject of discussion”
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        I will!
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Definitely some gruesome things not shown, if true.
        
        As far as glorifying the work of the doctors, though, I did not experience that. No one was saying “How wonderful this work is;’ the doctors were just describing their own experiences. As far as convenience, that may be. In the show there was a woman in France who apparently wanted it done for convenience, and she was refused. Another one sounded like convenience, but there was not enough shown to know another reason or lack of.
        
        Of the other patients shown, their babies had late-diagnosed diseases that would either kill them or render their lives miserable, and you could hear the struggle undergone by the parents in making their decisions. One had a disease that would cause its bones to break. This could happen while just being held by a parent. Prognosis was that the child would die within two years. The mom said that she did not want to put her baby through that.
        
        If you do want to watch it, Google “After Tiller online.” There are a number of sites that are streaming it.
      - Barrustio
        
        Even on The Five while it may be heavily conservative (as the only conservative response SHOULD be to all the other liberal media like CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN to name a few) the offer the opposing views of Bob Beckel and Juan Williams so that’s still not a good comparison.
        
        I was actually going to watch it had it not been blocked in Houston however I applaud the people responsible for having it blocked since I got a good perspective from Life News on the content of the show.
        
        The whole intent of the show was to supposedly “put a human face” on the issue of late term abortion. You say there was no dismemberment. Of course there wasn’t, that would not have been very “human” would it? The REAL “human” side of these people comes through from their own mouths, like one of these doctors describing the dismemberment process when the baby has to be dissected limb from limb said, “You can feel the separation of the limbs coursing through you like an electric current” almost as if it’s a thrill. In his explanation of the chemical process’ effects on the baby Dr. Carhart said, “It becomes soft and mushy, like meat in a crock pot”. When asked what kink of tools he would be using he said, “I have a pick ax and a drill”. Not exactly the “human” kind of thing awoman making a life or death decision wants to hear.
        
        The mere suggestion that pro-lifers are these fanatics who are looking to kill abortionists is offensive at it’s face value. You cannot stop a weirdo. However it is more likely that a pro-abortionist will attack a pro-lifer as has been thoroughly documented. Pro-lifers who go out and protest have been taught to not be pushy However the pro-aborionists are the “in your face” hollering and spitting out their “abortion now and without apology”. These are the same people who at the Texas rotunda were prepared to throw used tampons, jars of urine and bags of feces at legislators if they dared takeaway their chance to kill a baby. No, it is more highly likely that a pro-lifer will be killed by a pro-abortionist since their consciences are already desensitized to killing.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        So, are you saying that if a network showed a program in which an anti-abortion group was holding meetings, making plans, and protesting at clinics, but there was no opposing view from pro-choice people, you would not watch it because it was one-sided?
      - Barrustio
        
        ANYTIME a pro-life protest is in the works or planning stage there is ALWAYS a mention of counter-protest which will take place on the part of the pro-abortionists. IF I am incorrect I would like for you to mention ONE instance in which the maintream media did not cover both sides if it PRO-LIFE. During “Abortion Barbie’s” filibuster at the rotunda in Texas where her supporters were prepared to douse legislators with used tampons, jars of urine and bags of feces, all that was shown was the ardor of the pro-abortionist and not the pro-lifers who were also there protesting. But that’s what the MSM considers “fair and balanced objective reporting”
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        You did not answer my question. Would you not watch a program if it were strictly anti-abortion, because it didn’t show two sides?
      - Barrustio
        
        Your question is unanswerable as I have never heard of nor seen a pro-life show in which the talking points of the opposition were not discussed
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Use your imagination. IF the show had only one side, would you still watch it? How hard is that?
      - Barrustio
        
        I WAS going to watch it….it just wasn’t shown in Houston. My point, which to many pro-abortionists will come across as a preconception, is that the show is garbage designed to minimize the reality of the horrors of the act.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        It is a preconception. If you have a “conception” before you watch something, then it is “pre.”
        
        And maybe you think I am arguing because I am pro-abortion. I am not. But I think it is a very complicated subject, not just yes or no. I have mixed feelings about abortion. But I am pro-choice, as I don’t think it is up to me to make these kinds of decisions for other people.
        
        I am simply saying (over and over): 1. Not to judge something before you see it, and 2. Even if it turns out to be something that you think is horrible, you may still learn something that you didn’t know, or perhaps understand something about the way other people feel and make decisions.
      - Barrustio
        
        I fully understand the “pre”fix “pre” before any word. I also said that it would come across that way to some. It was certainly not a preconception to me, as I was well aware of the “intent” of the content as disseminated by the experts and have researched it, since it was not shown in Houston. It turns out I wasn’t wrong.
        
        I also know the meaning of the prefix “anti” and “pro”. Please tell me, since you were privvy to the entire show where they referred to the “pro” lifers in other than “anti”abortioniststs terms as if what they do is evil. Yet they refused to refer to themselves as the true “pro”abortionists they are but rather the more diluted, palatable, end around “pro”choice which is the exact same thing as “pro-abortion”.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        You are still accepting the conception of other people, not your own.
        
        The choice of the word “anti-abortion” was mine. I do not consider people “pro-life” who are against the abortion of the unborn but then make death threats and sometimes death attempts and murders against/of adult staff who qualify as “life.”
        
        Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion. It just says that other people are allowed to make their own choices. I very well might be against having an abortion that another woman would choose to have.
      - Barrustio
        
        You are again lumping people who respect life, with fanatics and that is offensive. At the same time you try to immunize yourself from the support for women who have no problem terminating the lives of their babies by calling yourself “pro-choice”. Being pro-choice basically means you are alright with abortion.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Of course not all “pro-lifers” are fanatics who would kill grown people, but some are, so I prefer the term anti-abortion. Pro-life is a much broader term. Are there people against abortion who are also against food stamps? probably. Are they all against the death penalty? Probably not. Anti-abortion is a much more specific term for people who are against abortion.
        
        As far as “immunizing” myself? People do all sorts of things that I don’t approve of, but many of these things are legal. I can’t sit in judgment of everyone who does something that I wouldn’t do. (Though OK, I might complain a bit about some things.)
      - Barrustio
        
        Chances are you can Google many attacks by pro-abortionists on pro-lifers than the other way around. Matter of fact I would like to see where pro-lifers have attacked any pro-abortionists.
        
        I think the you will find pro-lifers are against the “abuse” of food stamps, not against them for those who truly need them. You will also find that they are the ones who most give to charities which provide help in addition to food stamps. Being pro-life doesn’t mean you are anti-justice. If the law of the land which says abortion is legal also says the death penalty is legal, it’s a long stretch trying to make a comparison of someone who is GUILTY of a crime so heinous that it merits execution, to the dismemberment of an INNOCENT.
        
        It’s the liberals who felt it was more palatable to label themselves “pro-choice” and label pro-lifers “anti-abortion”…..not that it’s bad to be anti-abortion but it feeds their narrative of the made up “war on women”. The irony is, that they don’t care for the future women that are destroyed, so who is really waging the war on women?
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        Have any anti-abortionists been murdered or had their buildings blown up?
        
        As to the terms, those who call themselves pro-life mean that they are against abortion. They do not mean that they are necessarily against taking a life in another circumstance. You can say that someone is guilty of a heinous crime, but if they are executed, that is taking a life, so that someone who thinks that is OK is for it and is not “pro-life.” (And think of those who have been executed and later proved innocent, or the people on death row who have been exonerated with DNA evidence.) Anti-abortionist is a much more specific and accurate term.
        
        Likewise, pro-choice means that a person is in favor of letting the person considering an abortion make her own choice (and how you consider that waging war on women is beyond me.) Pro-abortion would mean that someone is for abortion, maybe even campaigning for it, as in, The world is overcrowded, let’s not let women have babies (as per China). Again, pro-choice is a more specific and accurate term.
        
        What I see as a war on women is/are trying to circumvent the legal choice of a woman to have an abortion, such as a waiting period; transvaginal ultrasounds; making her look at a fetus in a jar; enacting laws for the sole purpose of putting a clinic out of business, so that the woman has to travel a long distance, possibly without the funds to do so. If you want to have Roe Vs. Wade overturned, then work to do that, but don’t throw obstacles in a woman’s way to keep her from doing what is legal. That just makes her abortion “later” term.
      - Barrustio
        
        People who commit heinous crimes and are LEGALLY convicted to be executed have no life to speak of. So being “pro-life”, when speaking of babies is very appropriate for those who are against abortion.
        
        “Pro-choice” is a term better used for people who prefer apples over oranges. People who say they are pro-choice when it comes to babies, are not anti-abortion, so pro-abortion is a more appropriate term.
        
        If the world is so overcrowded, I think a better solution to the issue would be for people to exercise more responsibiliity and/or restraint rather than resorting to the meat grinder in such a frivolous, lackadaisical fashion that the consiences becomes so desensitized that women think no more of a baby than to fart it into the disposal system. Perhaps even mandatory sterilization is in order.
        
        I see the real war on women as the 1/2 million females who are disposed of every year without any sense of responsibility just to go get pregnant again and repeat the procedure. Actually looking at a fetus in a jar is mild compared to the dismemberment which I feel a woman should see so she may make an INFORMED decision about what really takes place during the procedure. While I will fight Roe v Wade, I will accept the law of the land which says that abortion is legal as long as I’m not asked to be complicit in what I consider murder, with my taxes. Just remember that legal doesn’t always mean it’s right. Just consider slavery.
      - Goblin The Weasel Perrins
        
        I’ve already made my case for the terms. Pro-abortion could mean that someone wanted abortion to keep the population down. I am not saying what should be, just what could be under those terms. And executing someone is taking a life, no matter what the circumstances are.
        
        My taxes get used for wars, whether I like it or not. Federal money is not used for abortion.
        
        I think I have said everything I mean to, and saying more would just be repetitious. So I thank you for a good discussion.
      - Barrustio
        
        I have no problem with my taxes being used to rid this world of vermin. Wars in which America has been involved always have had a direct or indirect impact on our interests and usually done with the approval of the majority of Americans.
        
        Planned Parenthood is the recipient of millions of dollars from taxpayers and it has already been documented how easy it is for this abortion mill to “re-allocate” money.
        
        I also thank you for a good discussion and wish you well.
fgetch11

When a civilization justifies taking the life of it’s most defenseless, the unborn, it has sentenced itself to extinction. The unborn are the future of a civilization, it’s hope and must be protected. Study the fall of civilizations of the past. The destruction of the unborn and infanticide were direct causes of social decline and eventual extinction. No one is safe when Human Life has no value. The Eagle
Davehope

This shows the compleete left wing support the liberials love to exault. Life is sacred and is began as soon as the male and female seeds are conceived in the womb.when you end this life, even if it s ended ten seconds after it is concieved, it is called murder. There is no way pbs should be government funded. Their slogan that this program is brought to you by viewers like you is totally hipacritacal. They never have or ever will receive a dime from me because viewers like me hate their propaganda.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  I’ve seen 2/3 of it. It’s a documentary on a controversial subject. The film makers have recorded doctors, patients, and those against abortion.
adrianvance

OMG! Will you ever wake up?

Google “Two Minute Conservative,” and you will be applauded when you
speak truth at your next dinner party, barbecue or church picnic.
eddyjames

PBS,PMS Don’t do either same goes for NBC, ABC,CBS, MSNBC and the rest.
Boommach

We sanction the killing of our most innocent.

Satan’s laughing with delight.
Amelia Aremia

There are times when abortion becomes medically necessary; but too frequently it is used as a birth-control method which is murder; If one doesn’t want the child; simply give it to adoption. The White race is becoming a minority — if it is not already in the minority. The theory that a woman has a right to do as she wishes with her body is misleading…for once she has conceived a healthy live fetus–her duty is to bring it to term, and then give it for adoption, if she doesn’t want it, or with the consent of the father.

We are supposedly a free nation, the news Media is to give the news as it happens; not, in their opinion— which should be left to the editorials.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  What is wrong with the white race becoming a minority? (My question has nothing to do with abortion – just wondering.)
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  The “media” are not giving their opinion in this documentary. They are recording the statements of doctors, patients, and protestors.
MrsTJNic@aol.com

When someone is convicted of murding a pregnant woman, he gets sentenced for 2 COUNTS of murder, for killing the baby as well.
- Goblin The Weasel Perrins
  
  That is because a woman can legally terminate her pregnancy. Someone else can not.
Goblin The Weasel Perrins

I have watched 2/3 of the program. (It got too late.) The women who made the film said that at first they wanted to hear from the doctors as to their points of view. Then they decided that they also needed to hear from the patients. There are also some scenes of protestors and a meeting concerning a proposed clinic in a town. (That’s when I went to bed, so I don’t know what happened.) There is no narration other than from the people involved, so no one on the “outside” is saying whether they agree or disagree with the points of view expressed. The patients involved were mostly looking for abortions of babies with severe illnesses who were unlikely to survive long after birth. One was a young women who had been raped and either did not know or had not allowed herself to believe that she was pregnant. One woman was turned away because other than not wanting a baby, there was no reason for her to have an abortion at that late date. She was advised to have the baby born and adopted. I will be watching the rest of the program soon.
GreatNana9MM

So how about watching this herestheblood.com. It is graphic but it is true I have posted it before and it has been taken down. So I will post it again. herestheblood.com
GreatNana9MM

Well, I will try it again, AbortionNO.com if you really want to see the OTHER side. This has been taken down the two times I have posted it. They show you exactly what it looks like to “take care of that little oops” –
So for those of you with mixed feelings please watch that or this one at Herestheblood.org. They are graphic but it truly will take away any confusion you may have!
We are on Unfiltered Patriot, so I am not sure why they keep taking this down. Bless you all!
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