Majority in D.C. Want to Ban All Guns

You morons and your Talking Points

Fort hood had plenty of armed personnel on the base, ATTACKED

Chattanooga military training base with plenty of guns around. ATTACKED

Columbine high school had an armed guard. ATTACKED

Gabby Gifford. 2 armed security personnel. ATTACKED

nothing false here.

according to the NRA, one gun on the premises converts it to a GUN ZONE.

you silly cons are just desperate.

The NRA says YOUR definition of Gun Free Zone is BULL SHIT.

“TheNational Rifle Association has unveiled its recommendations for

placing at least one armed guard inside every school campus in the

country in proposals that were immediately denounced by gun control

advocates as radical and dangerous.

America’s

most activist gun rights lobby group presented in Washington what it

claimed was an “independent” review of school safety

standards headed by a former Republican congressman from Arkansas,

Asa Hutchinson. The core recommendation of the 225-page report is

that school personnel carrying firearms should be placed not only

within every school but within every campus in every school.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/02/nra-unveils-plan-armed-guards

did you see the part in bold about how ONE gun makes it NOT a gun free zone?

tell me again who is ignorant in this conversation?

You’re stupidity is astounding, I’ll say that for you.

AND ONE gun takes it from “Gun Free Zone” to GUN ZONE, according to the NRA who ARE the VOICE of gun owners of America (or at least pretend)

The National Rifle Association has unveiled its recommendations for

placing at least one armed guard inside every school campus in the

country in proposals that were immediately denounced by gun control advocates as radical and dangerous.

America’s most activist gun rights lobby group presented in Washington what it

claimed was an “independent” review of school safety standards headed by a former Republican congressman from Arkansas, Asa Hutchinson. The core recommendation of the 225-page report is that school personnel carrying firearms should be placed not only

within every school but within every campus in every school.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/02/nra-unveils-plan-armed-guards

that you spent a lot of time for NOTHING?

A self proven point by a troll!

so your answer is EVERYONE needs a gun?

If you have a right to respect, that means other people don’t have a right to their own opinions.
Thomas Sowell

that’s the law in Somalia. not exactly a safe place that Americans want to live.

Not everybody…just everybody except you.

Very good points, but they’ll go in one ear and out the other with ‘Reality-Check”. Like a true liberal, he has saw-dust for brains. Can’t make any sense to those with no common-sense.

“NOT ONE of the people shot by the POS Muslim at Ft Hood had a weapon;”

Oh, so now everyone has to have a weapon for it be a GUN ZONE?

you just keep changing the rules every time I prove you to be LOW INFO.

I think I’ve diagnosed your problem: Yer stoopit. You were born stupid, you’ll be stupid all your life and you’ll be stupid when you die.

Nothing can be done about it.

Bet on that…a true troll liberal!

so why did you NOT post INFO?

AND ONE takes it from “Gun Free Zone” to GUN ZONE, according to the NRA who ARE the VOICE of gun owners of America (or at least pretend)

The National Rifle Association has unveiled its recommendations for
placing at least one armed guard inside every school campus in the
country in proposals that were immediately denounced by gun control advocates as radical and dangerous.

America’s most activist gun rights lobby group presented in Washington what it
claimed was an “independent” review of school safety standards headed by a former Republican congressman from Arkansas, Asa Hutchinson. The core recommendation of the 225-page report is that school personnel carrying firearms should be placed not only
within every school but within every campus in every school.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/02/nra-unveils-plan-armed-guards

If ANYONE is a low-info person, it’s you. I’ve seen your moronic-posts concerning other articles. You’re a liberal troll, and a very dumb one at that!

RC still at your usual liberal lying BS??

Don, I posted a LINK, so as for it not being true, WHY LIE when it’s right there in black and white.
You CAN read, right Don?

so why are you being such a douche?

Your posting is a lie and/or misleading in each case. As said by Bloodaxe those shot at Ft Hood were all unarmed. As former Army and once stationed on Ft. Hood MPs on gate duty have loaded weapons as do patrol car guys. No one, NO ONE else on base is allow to have a loaded weapon if not at a range. The recruiters in Chattanooga were fired on in such a way that even if they had not been taken by surprise returning fire would have endangered people outside the office. They like all military had been trained to think about such things. Your statement about Columbine is the first time I’ve ever heard of an armed guard at Columbine. AND, I know that schools around me do have guards but they do not carry on campus…. so, if there was one I suspect he was unarmed. Gifford… the ideal way to kill a person is up close. So close you are INSIDE their circle of protection. That is exactly how she was attacked and it is a wonder she is still a live. You Reality Check, are a lying piece of c r a p.

Your sight is a dot com source…that means anyone could have written it or modified it….TROLL FECES!

you posted this already dim one.
the guardian is a Newspaper.
you want more sources of that NRA statement.

are YOU SO DIM as to think there are not hundreds?

god you’re low functioning.

HEY TROLL…IF OUR PATHS CROSS…..

Totally agreed!

well conservative toad, ACCORDING to the NRA, ONE gun make it a safe place.
all of the above had ONE GUN.

WHY so IGNORANT of reality?

like that means anything.

perhaps the low functioning fool can explain what that proves?

so you can’t actually prove anything other than your Dim?

no surprise.
it’s what cons are.

we are already aware you are 12

well tool, if this was a grammar and spelling blog , you may have a point.

cons who go after spelling just prove how DIM they are.

THAT video is not a fact, it’s Propaganda.

I can make a video and put it up on youtube by morning that says Bill Matthes has been having sex with dogs.

will that make that true Bill?
probably not unless Bill would like to get that out in the open?

so the above video has the same credibility, Bill.

the fact that you cons accept this crap as facts, again just proves you guys are challenged.

Fu*k you moron! I’m not wasting any more time on your dumb-ass comments. Look at ALL these posts of people that disagree with you! zerep11 gave you your stupidity-certificate, now just crawl back to your cave and be content knowing what a huge ass you are!

Reality check, there were NO armed personnel in the clinic where the islamic terror attack happened as it was a GUN FREE ZONE,. Chattanooga; unarmed recruiters, GUN FREE ZONE, then gate crashed and shooter stopped by ARMED GUARDS. Columbine; gun free zone,guard was in his car and engaged the shooters SAVING LIVES. Giffords; REFUSED SECURITY detail. I would say all your talk points are a joke. The bottom line is terrorists and mental cases just won’t follow the laws so maybe these PEOPLE need stricter control. Guns aren’t going away so you might as well get used to it. Crime CONTINUES to DECLINE according to the FBI with millions of guns being sold and carried. Liberalism is a mental disease, google it.

If you were a criminal, and with your mental outlook, that is not a far stretch, and were planning a crime, which place would you rather go to to commit your atrocities, an establishment where it is possible that you might find someone with a weapon who might be opposed to your will OR an establishment labelled as a gun free zone where the possibility of resistance to your evil ways would be statistically improbable. Even someone as unhinged as yourself would obviously choose the GUN FREE ESTABLISHMENT, right?

Thank you Reality….Yes we are humans…not the liberal brain dead fecal mass on the floor like you!

Dave do not respond to this asshole, I have tried and it is useless. Please ignore him .

silly con.
there are more liberal religious than wackadoodle religious.

the difference is brains that you low functioning fools seems to lack.

” Doesn’t it strike you as even the least bit jarring that no far-left run system has ever prospered?”
Oh far left like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany?
smacked down again

So you are calling the FBI liars ???????

Thanks, I cannot believe how stupid, ignorant, of a troll he is.

I’m assuming that you conveniently neglected to state that the current regime forbids military personnel from carrying weapons at their “homeland” bases. That fact eliminates your Fort Hood and Chattanooga military training base examples. Columbine high school is a “gun free zone” and no one should expect ONE armed guard to be able to stop a random attack without some casualties being suffered before his opposition could be brought to bear, even if said guard was one hundred percent efficient. Same goes for 2 armed security personnel. Using your logic, even President Kennedy SHOULD still be alive because he had an entire Secret Service crew at his disposal! If you are going to use half an incident as your documentation, what can you now say when I discretely mention the other half? The trouble with us morons is that we actually think, whereas you liberals can’t.

So when are we going to hear about the prosecutions of the military person(s) who had a gun in the forbidden zone of his base? I was unaware that schools with a guard AND gun free zone signs were common or that the NRA said that one gun negates gun free zones and thus the establishment automagically became “safe”. Wouldn’t the owner of the establishment prosecute the gun wielder? Where did you get your second-hand (and erroneous) information? Or did it come from your feverish imagination? You really should have a professional check you out.

If our paths cross liberal….

A recommendation of placing at least ONE armed guard inside every school is not the same as declaring the location “safe”, unless such a statement is spun by a liberal “interpretation”. A cursory reading would be “one is better than none”

Yet those who carry guns are not believing that in doing so, they are “safe”, they are believing that if they are found to be in a threatening situation, it is better to have the possibility of surviving the threat over and above the possibility of sheer dumb luck. Anyone who wants to rely on sheer dumb luck is perfectly free to do so, there are too many liberals in the country, anyway. If it is Right Wing Propaganda to desire something more than sheer dumb luck as a defense, then I am all for that 100%. If that confers upon me the label of “con” in your fevered mind, then so be it.

so rexxy has now lost his tiny mind.

you need mental help silly con.

and you say you’re a gun safety instructor?

and THIS unbalanced.
that was here in Ca. I think

I will have to turn you in to your superiors.
your gun nut Philosophy should take care of your career.

I smacked your ass down so hard you are reduced to this, Dave?

If the current regime were opposed to the policy of making every military base effectively defenseless, they are certainly in a position to change it. They did not. Unless your research is further biased, you will note that the government has been under control of liberals ever since FDR. Every once in a while, the voters attempt to elect a Republican president to “balance” the power of the rest of the government, but said president has little chance of affecting much without the cooperation of the rest of the government, which, of course, is rarely offered. At least your rabid research in order to disprove me has led you to refute your earlier claim that the military establishments were adequately protected by fully armed members.

The congress has done nothing of any significance for many years, be they liberal of conservative dominated EXCEPT cram the Obamacare debacle upon the citizenry. YOU could look it up OR you could continue in your ignorance.

Believe me, friend, you couldn’t smack down a fly with the best fly swatter that is available. Even if I were ill informed, it’s still better than you condition of being Misinformed.

“has led you to refute your earlier claim that the military establishments were adequately protected by fully armed member”

GOD YOUR STUPID.

at no point did I make the above assertion.

the assertion THAT I PROVED, was that it was attacked and NOT a Gun free zone, like you morons like to pretend.

try and keep up with the conservation.
your embarrassing yourself.

RC, you are full of crap up to your ears and then some
FACT: Fort Hood had ONLY civilian police officers on base. None were in the immediate area of the shooting until they were notified.
FACT: Chattanooga had NO armed personnel on that base nor in the recruiting office.
FACT: Columbine had ONE school officer on duty at the time of the shooting and he was not in vicinity of the shooting. Columbine is a large school covering several acres.
FACT: Gabby Giffords had NO armed security personnel anywhere near her when she was shot. The only armed person near her was a civilian who stated the shooter was too close to other people so he didn’t fire. He tackled Laughner and with the help of others disarmed him and held him for the police.
Get your facts straight before running your mouth. BTW, I am a retired LEO and I follow these incidents quite closely. Also, I live just a couple of miles from where Gabby was shot and several of my deputy friends have told me the same story about that shooting. Two of them were on scene within minutes after it happened..

Re Fort Hood the military personnel were not allowed to carry arms. The base is patrolled by civilian security. It was a female civilian security cop that shot the Muslim traitor.

well you prove the point I have making in the first line.

People with GUNS do NOT stop people from attacking.

the “gun Free Zone” line the right like to push to sell more guns is a LIE and my example above are the proof.
YOU just added one more (and a good one)

THE POINT, is crazy people DON’T pick soft targets, they pick things that UPSET THEM.

this “gun free zone” shit is only to promote more gun sales.

Your just another dum-ass democratic.

Silly Richard.
the gunman shot at the recruiting center and then went to the training center.
he was initially going to shoot up the ice cream shop 2 doors down but he thought the recruiting center would be a softer target, what with all the pussy military inside.
those ice cream shops can have some scary mean patrons inside.
MAYBE even a 3 year old Syrian. we know how they scare conservatives.

well richard, if you had any brain at all you would see I didn’t mention the recruiting center AT ALL.

why suck a dim bulb.

so you are not a pussy conservative?

then you support the Syrian refugees coming here, unlike all the other conservative pussies?

During the war, we all had guns and we were still attacked by the enemy. We won because we had better guns.
You are here today because we had guns.
In the future if you still refuse to have a gun, the ones “with” the guns just might make you and your family their b**ches. Make it easier for them and hang a sign that reads; “This is a gun free home” on your front door. Guess who they are going to visit first? You see, the very thought that you have the right to have a gun protects you even when you don’t have one. Take that right away and you had better dig a hole.

If that’s the case, then that’s an isolated instance. Fort Hood was a gun-free zone, Newtown was a gun-free zone, Chattanooga was a gun-free zone, so was Charleston.
And the best way to let everybody else get shot is to not pull a gun during an incident.
That’s not real complicated, not for everybody else, anyway.

“There is no military base in the country that does not have armed guards.” Of course, you are right, as they are called MPs and security personnel manning the gates, the equivalent of civilian police personnel. What is your point?

“Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.”

—U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

Janet Reno was an ass! A typical anti-gun, liberal numb nut.

do not feed the troll

Please Skyhawk, stop responding to this troll, that will get rid of him

only way is to stop replying to him, pretend he is not real, because he is not…

However, places like Ft. Hood, which are enormous in size, are very dangerous because neither MPs nor the gate Security can get anywhere within a few moments! It takes time to get across Ft. Hood, even if you’re just going from one sector to another, or even to the shopettes from housing!

Stop responding to this reality idiot

Post a picture in here of you in a Blue Dress and beret. We will let you know your ranking on the Fugly scale. If too harsh, we can get a Go Fund me website up for you to become a Post-Op. That might help you get a Guvimint job with the Obama admin.

I like responding to you. It will be even more fun in 2016 with Hitlery in jail, Obama under investigation and a new President TRUMP. I will even give you a good word for a job helping to build the new wall that will be going up. Maybe you will even lose some weight getting your EBT azz back moving again too.

why are conservative so childish?

low IQ?

since we (the conservative and the liberal) almost have a working relationship going on here.
happy Thanksgiving to you and family.

I have wished him a good day and Thanksgiving and got insults for my time

Well thank you that was nice of you. We like you better when you take all your medications properly and limit watching MSNBC. Watch the Hallmark channel instead.

so much for “being nice”
so I guess I can add hypocrite to your list of character traits.

don’t LIE and you won’t hear from me.

YOUR LIBTURD COMMIE ASS IS TOO STUPID TO VOTE . YOU NEED DEPORTED ASSHOLE . Or Given a DIRTNAP FOR YOUR COMMIECRAT ASS . you RETARDED PILE of MAGGOT PUKE

He’s correct and you are a lost cause

Yes–I stand in awe of such golden literary gems as “YOU NEED DEPORTED ASSHOLE.” Why is it that the most extreme right wingnuts are so often grossly and laughably compromised in the use of the mother tongue?

Better than idiots like you with NO intellect.

Agenda 21, SmartMeters and how the ultimate goal of the New World Order is nearly complete!

“armed guards” are sort of like armed police, not armed populace. “minutes away when seconds count” Most military bases forbid ordinary people and military personnel from carrying personal arms on the facility. That was the case at Fort Hood. Pay attention, before you start spouting your “wisdom”.

Sky, do not feed the idiot troll,

The “armed guards” were at the gates, miles away from where Major Douche Bag was shooting. So, I think the point is, you’re a “confirmed” dumb ass.

“If I had my way, not one gun control law would ever be passed in the United States so that only thieves and crooks would have guns and the common citizen would be at their mercy.”
—Pastor Jack Hyles (Chap. 17, Teaching on Preaching)

So, in your way of thinking, a school with no one armed that is in a town with a police force miles away, is not a gun free zone? Is this actually what you believe?

Sky, I have tried and your logic is wasted, it is his job to not respond logically

Go have sexual with your self,

Oh. I said that wrong, nicely go fuck yourself…:)

I never said there was no military base in the country that doesn’t have armed guards. You must be on some pretty good LSD.

The Fort Hood shooter shot his victims inside a gun free zone at the base which was a relatively small part of a much larger base. I never said the whole base was a gun free zone. The Chattanooga shootings took place first at a military recruiting center which WAS a gun free zone, then at a naval reserve center facility which was also, seven miles away from the first location. Neither of the Chattanooga shooting locales were full-fledged military bases.

I haven’t redefined gun free zones at all. I simply made a point as to where they were located. Which the shooter was obviously able to take advantage of.

Nope. I read the whole article on your little link and didn’t see that anywhere. Actually, there was nothing in bold in the whole article.
You can believe what you want to f-d up little liberal mind wants to. I have better things to do than waste my time with your retarded nonsense anymore.

After all, proponents argue, the government is doing all this to catch the bad guys. If you don’t have anything to hide, they ask, what are you so afraid of? The answer is that I’m afraid of losing the last vestiges of privacy that a free society should hold dear. I’m afraid of creating a society where the burden is on citizens to prove their innocence, rather than on government to prove wrongdoing. Most of all, I’m afraid of living in a society where a subservient populace surrenders its liberties to an all-powerful government.

Let’s just humor you for a moment and pretend that what you say is true, that even one armed security guard SOMEWHERE near the premises makes it not a gun free zone. If that’s the case, then why are they still CALLED gun free zones? Why hasn’t the NRA come out and set everybody straight on it, that is, if even you accept their authority (when it suits you)? Why were both the Fort Hood shootings and the Chattanooga shootings reported as having taken place in their respective gun free zones? I suppose it was only right-wing zealot news outlets that reported on it, huh? Even they have SOME credibility to protect.
Go find somebody else to argue with. I refuse to take part in this discussion with you anymore. You wouldn’t know the truth if it smacked you in the face and knocked you over.

Washington DC provides a vivid illustration of what our future might look like. Visitors to Capitol Hill encounter police barricades, metal detectors, paramilitary officers carrying fully automatic rifles, police dogs, ID checks, and vehicle stops. The people are totally disarmed; only the police and criminals have guns. Surveillance cameras are everywhere, monitoring street activity, subway travel, parks, and federal buildings. There’s not much evidence of an open society in Washington, DC, yet most folks do not complain–anything goes if it’s for government-provided safety and security.

There are some schools in the country that are NOW with armed guards or teachers in them. That does not mean YOU OR I can walk in to any school with a firearm that I legally carry. That still is a gun free zone much like a bank or court house which have at least one armed guard. They are still gun free zones to the common citizen.

Terror, fear, and crises like 9-11 are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people. The loss of liberty, we are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary. Many citizens believe that once the war on terror is over, restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. But this war is undeclared and open-ended, with no precise enemy and no expressly stated final goal. Terrorism will never be eradicated completely; does this mean future presidents will assert extraordinary war powers indefinitely?

Undoubtedly many Americans and members of Congress don’t believe America is becoming a police state, which is reasonable enough. They associate the phrase with highly visible symbols of authoritarianism like military patrols, martial law, and summary executions. But we ought to be concerned that we have laid the foundation for tyranny by making the public more docile, more accustomed to government bullying, and more accepting of arbitrary authority- all in the name of security. Our love for liberty above all has been so diminished that we tolerate intrusions into our privacy that would have been abhorred just a few years ago. We tolerate inconveniences and infringements upon our liberties in a manner that reflects poorly on our great national character of rugged individualism. American history, at least in part, is a history of people who don’t like being told what to do. Yet we are increasingly empowering the federal government and its agents to run our lives.

They’re pulled from backyard pools and bathtubs each year, tiny limp bodies, blue and not breathing.

A young life can vanish quickly under water. A survivor can endure a lifetime of disabilities. Either way, families are torn apart by an almost always preventable tragedy.

Standard summer companions in our desert climate, swimming pools can be deadlier for children than guns. A child is 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident than in gunplay, writes Steven D. Levitt, University of Chicago economics professor and best-selling author.

Levitt analyzed child deaths from residential swimming pools and guns and found one child under 10 drowns annually for every 11,000 pools. By comparison, one child under 10 each year is killed by a gun for every 1 million guns, according to his research, outlined in a new book “Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side to Everything,” which he co-wrote with journalist Stephen J. Dubner.

It has now been [over] 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars.

And now the results are in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). In the state of Victoria: homicides with firearms are up 300 percent. Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms (changed drastically in the past 12 months). There has been a drastic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in “safety” has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in “ridding society of guns.”

Bet you won’t see this data on the evening news or hear your government or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. It’s time to state it plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law abiding citizens.

Take note, Californians and other Americans, before it’s too late!

—CAPT Dan Bridges, USCG

If you believe everything snopes.com confirms or denies then you are being sadly misinformed. Snopes.com is often proven too liberal and/or just down right wrong.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03/the-australian-gun-ban-conceit/ This is based on the Aus. Gov. own statistics. The graphs look very pretty and show HUGE parabolic rises and falls. However, it you have a brain and read the numbers along the side of the graphs you will see that the percentage of gun related incidents has fallen only about 20%. And the number of deaths only fell about 60. Admitting that any downward change is good the loss of rights by the individual citizen and the expense on the part of the government don’t seem to me to justify the taking of rights and spending of tax dollars. So….why don’t don’t you shut up, Reality Check and take your Nancy Man stupidity somewhere else or are you unable to figure out no one is siding with you and no one is interested. Oh, I did intervene once to keep a woman from being beaten to death on the street in front of my home. The big mean ex con quickly became a kitten when faced by someone quickly willing to protect someone else. When the police arrive I immediately both pointed out who the real criminal was AND put down my weapon. I was released in just a few minutes and last I heard the attacker, an ex husband, was still in jail for multiple attacks. TAKE A HIKE!

The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order’s plans. Its not about Left or Right: its about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

RC doesn’t know what a military installation is. It’s a city within a city. I’ve lived on many. They have shopping centers, gas stations, theaters, housing, schools, churches and their very own law enforcement. Yes, the law enforcement has weapons on the base but so does the law enforcement off base. Everywhere on base is a gun-free zone except for the firing range where you’re given your weapon (checking it out like you would a library book) and turning it back in before leaving. They’re also given a certain amount of ammunition and it’s accounted for before leaving. Where the Fort Hood incident took place was a gun-free zone. They had to wait for law enforcement just like any civilian at their place of work would have to do if it had happened off base.

I have been on Ft. Hood, and that place is so big it is incredible to me that any Security Forces were able to get to the shooting as fast as they did!
If I had my way, we would go back to the frontier Army method of allowing the troops to be armed at all times! With so many sneaky enemies slithering in and out of our country now, it would be for the best, and certainly would keep our military families safer!
For that matter, one group who were doing some field exercises when I was there, actually found a lady’s skeleton! Who she was, and when she died no one knew. And, from what I have been told by long-time residents of the post, this sort of thing is not unusual. Where she was found was juniper trees, rocks, cactus and rattlesnakes! Such a pleasant place, and there were other places even worse!

so if your hell bent on a “gun free zone” an ice cream shop would be a much better choice that Fort Hood.
how about any school? Oh no Fort Hood sounds better.

what about that dress shop for old women? Oh no Fort Hood is a better “gun free zone”

you people are just DIM.

do not reply Justice you are playing into this assholes hand….

” It is your people, dim one, that commanded that military establishments be gun free. ”
sorry ignorant one

Here is another example of the cons complete lack of knowledge.

“It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office.”

http://www.snopes.com/Politics/clintons/baseguns.asp

You cons with Obama Derangement Syndrome blame him if it rains.

Ignore the troll, for goodness sake he will just reply…

ignore this reality dip, he thrives on being obtuse

once again the moron seems to be unaware
that the GOP controlled congress fro 95 to 2007 and had the president from 2001

I wonder why they didn’t make any changes?

MAYBE the military LIKES IT this WAY.

If you ignore this reality asshat he would go away

Simply ignoring it will do nothing. Everyone should vote it down and flag it when it uses foul language like it does in almost every post.

do not feed the troll…

Snopes hahahahahahahaah. I bet just thinking about Klinton makes you want to wear your blue dress and beret. Beat it stupid and take your failure Obama with you,

do not respond to reality, he is an asshole and not worth your time

Oh glad you came here.
Right below is one of those incidents where I proved you were a lying POS.

you seem to have forgotten about that earlier.

I have smacked you to the ground so many times for idiocy.
run away silly one.

Ya but silly Fool of The Right, for some reason you are afraid to debate the liberal.

I’m retired low info con,
nice pension, includes healthcare.

As for posting on wackadoodle websites,
that is my patriotic duty.

you wackadoodle cons are a Cancer in America

I served on a number of Army and Navy bases including the Nav. Phib. Base Norfolk, Fort Belvoir, Ft. Eustace, Ft. Hood, Ft. Sam Houston and some others. This was back in the 1960’s and ’70’s. Not one of the above bases allow the carrying of a loaded weapon by any personnel other than Federal and/or military police type people. And, you hardly ever saw any of them other that at the gate or making traffic stops. So… your assertion that military bases were declared Gun Free by Obama might be correct but in truth they were gun free, other than for training purposes, a long time ago. I’ve studied logic…. You hang all your juvenile argument on the “fact” that these places are no gun free AND that they have been declared gun free recently. That is wrong. If one leg of any argument is proven wrong… the entire argument is dismissed. You Private Dippy, are DISMISSED!

Tell us though how you admire Moochelles biceps and Obummer’s golf swing. Don’t you have some parade or something to march in?

I think we need to assign some EMI to E1 recruit Reality Check. Reality Check front and center, hurry up move that fat aZZ of yours and get the cheetos out of your mouth. Put down that X-box control too while you are at it. Stand at attention…

do not feed the asshole troll he wants you to respond to his ignorance

We already debated that was a fact, next topic is going to be about President Trump’s new policies and if your dildo was double ended or not. Do not say we are always unfair in here we are giving you a choice here.

Look in the mirror oh dim witted one. Just insure your butt is facing the right virection or you might think it is yo face,

Sargent, do not reply to reality , he is not worth the space

No one other than MP’s on the base is armed you dumfuk. Were you ever in the military? I doubt it. You don’t know shiit so STFU.

YOU STOP MAKING SHIT UP. You have no idea what you are tallking about. Those armed guards are few and mostly only at gates.

FUNNY how you cons don’t ever post a link and then pretend you are informative.

You used the word “informative”. Using the word “informed” would have been more correct. When you get to sixth grade you’ll learn stuff like that.

Wake up everybody! Why are the churches silent? I keep hearing Christians saying foolish things like “Satan must run his course,” others just call me a “nut” or an “embarrassment” to Christianity. What is it going to take to wake people up, a militarized police state where preachers will be imprisoned for propagating hate speech, for preaching the Bible against homosexuality and sin? What will it take?

Are you just going to hand over your firearms to the government, a violation of our 2nd Amendment Bill of Rights? Already, Anti-hate speech legislation has been passed in Canada and is now before congress here in America. Folks, freedom isn’t free. And by the way, Democracy is NOT Freedom.

Those “armed guards” are roving MP’s like all local cops or the gate guards who check people entering the bases/posts. There are NO armed guards in buildings on a military base unless it is the MP Station. All other weapons are locked in unit arms rooms with NO AMMUNITION anywhere near that building. That said, no one is allowed to br7ng pe

Another 180 degree spin by a foul-mouthed non-thinking liberal spawn of questionable ancestry.

Your entire universe consists of imaginary scenarios in which you are the most intelligent creature present. Consistency is not your problem, a non-existent attachment to reality IS.

You haven’t proved anything. If you tried to say that you had proved that the sky was blue, I would ask for a second opinion.

Military bases have armed guards on the gates at the fence around the base. There might even be a few armed soldiers at the armory and ammo dump. But except for high ranking officers, there are few loaded guns on any military base.

he National Rifle Association has
unveiled its recommendations for

placing at least one armed guard inside
every school campus in the

country in proposals that were immediately denounced by gun
control advocates as radical and dangerous.

America’s most activist gun rights lobby group presented in
Washington what it

claimed was an “independent” review of school safety
standards headed by a former Republican congressman from Arkansas,
Asa Hutchinson. The core recommendation of the 225-page report is
that school personnel carrying firearms should be placed not only

within every school but within every campus in every school.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/02/nra-unveils-plan-armed-guards

“Then explain why the Police responded to the shooting at Fort Hood”

In America silly con, THAT IS WHO COMES to stop crimes.

THE POINT person with a Tranny name, these were not “gun free zones” as you silly cons like to pretend.

The GUARDS are armed, the SOLDIERS ARE NOT! What Alan Conners was saying was that NONE of the soldiers at Ft. Hood would have been hurt had they been able to carry! Believe me, that post is huge, and it took a good TEN MINUTES for Security to reach the shooting! By that time, the damage was done, and others were in the killer’s sights! No, each and every soldier should be allowed to carry, if nothing more than lunatics like that moslem, who SHOULD HAVE been immediately executed!

How do you know? You ever served in the military? Didn’t think so… Next Lib-tard up on deck.

Well John, any one who think these crazed shooters are picking Fort hood because it’s a “gun free zone” over say an ice cream store, ARE low info voters and fools.

Alan do not respond to this asshole, Reality is not a human.

Yeah, I’ve guessed that. RC, despite his/her/its name, is quite divorced from reality. I’ve cut off all discussion with the thing.

Sorry, I was replying to reality check, not you.

Neither are you as funny as you portray yourself to be. You need a flu shot worse than I do. And get a life while you’re at it. I don’t intend to say anything further. You aren’t worth any other response.

Enjoy naively swimming around, being a fish in a barrel much?
Hollywood Video ALB NM, several young victims, including the grandparents of a teen aged employee, all slaughtered by a career repeat offender Drug addict and his BFF. Due to strict laws in NM at the time, grandparents were not allowed to carry weapon to defend themselves… or others… Apparently the violence obsessed Drug addicts had no regard for laws? Maybe there should be ‘another’ law against that?

Las Cruces Bowling Lanes, on border with that notoriously ‘Gun Free’ zone of Mexico,
Massacre of all inside at opening, Fire was set to cover the grizzly crime, robbery. One lone survivor faked death, barely crawled to extinguish flames and notify authorities. No warrants were ever issued. Only the vicious attackers were armed, due to a little detail in effect at the time. CCW was illegal across NM.

Bagel shop Alb NM, all murdered by a career repeat offender during a robbery. No one was allowed CCW. All were rendered helpless,…. by the Law.

After several historic cases, including countless rapes, brutal attacks on innocent individuals, home invasions, the state of NM legislature agreed that it was better to allow ‘Someone’ to possibly be on the scene during an attack.

CCW was passed and signed into law. Both governors since the law, became CCW themselves. Countless legislators are now CCW, They apparently would prefer being at least somewhat less helpless, in case of the admittedly very rare possibility of attack.

In this low population state, Over 80,000 NM Citizens are presently CCW. Nothing of the past atrocities has recurred. Beer and Wine venues, by law allow CCW,.. no drunken shooting rampages [as one former ‘D’ mayor predicted]

Illicit Drugs are still rampant, Prescription SSRI’s [ssristories.com] are still in the formula.

CCW’s are a notoriously law abiding demographic across the entire USA. No other demographic that ‘could’ perpetrate violence even comes close..

The only change? No one,… especially the career repeat offenders, of which the USA, due to it’s legal system is awash,… knows for sure, that ‘everyone’ targeted, is unarmed… rendered absolutely helpless.

The 2nd Amendment is there for one reason. Protect the God given Rights of the law abiding Citizens of this great nation.

Which methodology, which ‘Tool’ do you prefer when/if you ever desire Suicide? Or is there no Suicides in gun restrictive societies? Be real now, use reality check.

Now here are those reoccurring, troublesome Facts again. Suicide is a personal choice out of perceived, or real desperation. Would you outlaw Suicides?.. or only by Gun?

OH wait, from what I recall, in many societies it is a Right. In some, it is illegal. How does that work out? Is the self inflicted [as all are] Suicide victim of their own action imprisoned,…. for breaking the law? Fined? Severely punished?

Whatever…., Suicides Drastically affect the USA gun stats.
Other ‘Tools’ are easily obtained to end lives, so that the USA is not in any threat of ‘falling behind’ in the world competition.

In most nations today, little attention is paid to suicide victims. In overcrowded, highly competitive societies it is actually encouraged, welcomed. btw You did mention Japan?

The USA of today is becoming more like the rest of the world in many aspects. The relative disregard of Suicides, though seldom reported with such agenda driven political gusto, as when a gun is the tool, are glaringly obvious. Why is that?

Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.

Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0

• Chances that a shooting at an ER involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5

http://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644%2812%2901408-4/abstract

so I see when faced with FACTS you run.
so whats your excuse going to be for bailing on the debate?

retired 61 white male.

you appear to be WRONG.

You are citing a single incident. Maybe someone with a pair might have shot the killer.

Uh, the Police, who did stop this, were GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS. But, THAT must be too complicated for a libturd to understand.

For someone who pretends to be so damned smart, you obviously have a problem with basic reading comprehension. The Second Amendment clearly states, “the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”. There is NOWHERE in the Constitution that says “only the Police and the government are allowed to carry guns. I would tell you to get a clue but, it’s right there and you are unable to understand. That’s not “silly”. That’s just plain STUPID!

Since we were discussing who should have guns, the Second Amendment IS relevant although, I wouldn’t expect an idiot like you to comprehend the correlation. Either way, your point is invalid. We “want everyone to have guns”? That’s utterly false. We don’t want criminals, or lunatics like you, to have guns but, the criminals won’t obey any laws and you are simply not capable of the restraint necessary to carry a gun in public. Besides, if you were ever in a situation when you actually needed to use a gun, you’d probably shoot yourself in the foot and, the criminal would die laughing. Now, as to “normal” people, of whom you are NOT a part, thinking that “cops are plenty”, just keep telling yourself that if you’re ever being held at gun point when the Police are 10-15 minutes away. And by the way, the campus building, in Oregon, where the shooting occurred WAS a “gun free zone”. The student center, where the armed students were, was not.

The cops arrived on scene first because people usually call them before they call the community center. And yes, the community center isn’t a gun free zone while the building the shooting occurred in was. Do some research and, maybe you won’t look so stupid although, in your case, I doubt that will help. Talk about “low info”?

I live in Oregon. I carry a gun, if I had been on site when that happened, in the classroom, the son of a bitch would not have had to kill himself. Be kind Real, it is nice to be nice, but not all situations allow. Thank you for your time. Rex….:)

Have a nice evening. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. Have my family gathered around and looking forward to the day. Good food, good people, nice to be nice.

“If you read, write, publish, think, listen, dance, sing or invent; if you farm or consume food; if you’re ill now or might one day be ill, the TPP has you in its crosshairs,” Wikileaks’ Julian Assange wrote.

Despite massive opposition from the American people, Tea Party Republicans and a majority of Democrats, Obama was granted fast-track authority by a 60-38 vote.

Sections of the TPP published by Wikileaks have revealed the treaty’s vast influence over multiple areas including individual rights, internet freedom and even the rule of law itself. Unelected corporate boards and the President can now wield unprecedented control over almost every aspect of human activity.

Seems YOUR the one with NO Facts.

“Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed
civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of
the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that
police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly
retreated into the classroom.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

I await your links of rebuttal.

as usual, the liberal post a LINK

the conservative Flaps its Gums.

the difference in the two groups.

FACTS versus Hot Air.

Reality check Your just a Dumb SOB.

A pattern has formed extending back in time, over other threads. When rc becomes rattled, rc begins to repeatedly, compulsively copy paste former drivel, with no regards to whatever questions or facts were presented.

A cheap, poorly programmed robot responds in the same manner out of frustration. An insect, natures primary example of a robot, at least responds to basic stimuli. Not so with rc and the limited Progressive mentality so exemplified.

The best part of any thread is that we all, except for rc, contribute something ie: true Facts of actual value to the thread. rc and the ensuing barrage of faux facts, suffers defeat at our overwhelming onslaught of reality of human nature, reason, ….and history.

MOLON LABE and it’s historical meaning, is lost on those of rc’s genre… future victims… victims of their own naivete…

You have no idea what you are talking about.

sorry tool, that is not going to happen until you silly cons wake up and stop destroying America.

The following quote was made by Congressman James A. Traficant, Jr. before the house…

Mr. Speaker, something does not add up, the number of accidental deaths involving guns average 1,500 per year; and the number of accidental deaths caused by doctors, surgeons, and hospitals average 120,000 a year, 120,000 per year. That means the ratio of accidental medical-related deaths to accidental gun deaths is 80 to 1, 80 times more possible of being killed accidentally by a doctor than a gun.Tell me, Mr. Speaker, should we mandate a 5-day waiting period on vasectomies?

Beam me up. Congress does not need more gun laws; America must enforce the laws that we have. I yield back all the American lives saved by an honest law-abiding American who just happened to have a gun.

—Congressman James A. Traficant Jr., April 04, 2000

The ones that were armed were prevented to render aid by the heads of faculty and LE.

To call you an imbecilic-moron would only serve as a compliment, troll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRTRFuGcVho

Facts do they exist, left of reality, let us check!

I guess that’s why armed lawful citizens successfully defend themselves all the time? You can be a willing victim, a$$hole, just don’t force everyone else to.

URL for that info? Pull your pants down and look for a few more facts then come back to us.

You have lost all credibility to readers by using words “right wing idiots.” These are emotional attack words, not logical or factual. We readers are not animals (most of us), so we readers respond not to insults but reason and truth.

well ron , apparently YOU are an ignorant resident of Oregon.

“Umpqua Community College not a gun-free zone: Oregon laws prevent that”

http://www.oregonlive.com/education/index.ssf/2015/10/umpqua_community_college_not_a.html

YOU low info cons are the problem .
I look things UP.

Reality Check

in 2012, the Oregon State Board of Higher
Education adopted a policy that banned guns from “classrooms, buildings,
dormitories, and sporting and entertainment events,” according
to The Oregonian. Those restrictions covered the seven state
universities under the authority of the Oregon State Board of Higher
Education.
Read more at http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/10/02/umpqua-community-college-gun-free-zone/#LXhfIlV2PJWHFQK8.99

so where is your link that debunks them, duffuss?

Snopes is not trustworthy…. Talk to someone in Australia…

nice link proving your not a lying POS.

And this one will get there if it goes a whole lot further.

Joe would be neutered without 0bama….

I guess they think we are all as gullible as these liberals are.

in a time when unconstitutional
overreach has become synonymous with government and domestic terrorism
is chiefly an enterprise carried out by alphabetic government agencies,
public enemy agency number one is once again targeting innocent American
citizens.

Arguably the most egregious offender, the EPA, has
announced its latest attack on the American property owner and private
property rights. This big government intruder is announcing their
assertions of authority to seize control of any water which would happen
to accumulate on private property. They also then become enabled to
legally restrict or dictate usage and to mandate modifications in any
manner they desire.
Read more at
http://visiontoamerica.com/17698/epa-seizing-control-over-private-land-thru-water-ponds-and-puddles/#75bAeugl6B2LMUyq.99

wHEN YOU SPEAK PURE FECES COMES OUT…TYPICAL LIBERAL!

“FM 3-39.40 is an Army operations guide dated February 2010 with
headings that include “Capture, Detention, and Initial Screening,”
“Detainee Flow,” “Theater Internment Facility,” “Strategic Internment
Facility,” “Detainee Rehabilitation Programs,” and much, much more.

The manual has been around in one form or another since 1978, when
it was first written to assimilate lessons learned from the resettlement
of tens of thousands of Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees to the United
States after the Vietnam War. It has been substantially rewritten since
then, most recently to include scenarios encountered in Iraq and
Afghanistan.

FM 3-39.40 is, essentially, a how-to guide for taking control of
thousands or tens of thousands of people in a specific area, sorting
them out afterward, and controlling them while in detention or in the
midst of a resettlement.”

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/05/17/did-you-hear-the-one-about-u-s-internment-camps/

so now I have proved you be a complete NUT job, got any more “proof” you want me to smack down?

just stop LYING Dave and I will let you keep some dignity.

The Federal Reserve
Board is the independent government agency with legal authority to act
as the central bank of the U.S. Created by Congress in 1913, the Federal
Reserve was commissioned to help control economic volatility and
encourage stability. Vested with special regulatory powers, the Federal
Reserve has a number of economic tools to control interest rates, which
is the primary lever of U.S. monetary policy.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/about_6614708_fed-controls-interest-rates.html
The Federal Reserve
Board is the independent government agency with legal authority to act
as the central bank of the U.S. Created by Congress in 1913, the Federal
Reserve was commissioned to help control economic volatility and
encourage stability. Vested with special regulatory powers, the Federal
Reserve has a number of economic tools to control interest rates, which
is the primary lever of U.S. monetary policy.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/about_6614708_fed-controls-interest-rates.html
The Federal Reserve
Board is the independent government agency with legal authority to act
as the central bank of the U.S. Created by Congress in 1913, the Federal
Reserve was commissioned to help control economic volatility and
encourage stability. Vested with special regulatory powers, the Federal
Reserve has a number of economic tools to control interest rates, which
is the primary lever of U.S. monetary policy.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/about_6614708_fed-controls-interest-rates.html

According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, 40 million immigrants
resided in the United States in 2010, which is the highest number in
history. Furthermore, 13.9 million immigrants have come to the U.S.
since 2000 making the 10 years from 2000 to 2010 the highest decade of
immigration in U.S. history. Immigration to the United States is the
primary force behind population growth, and if our current immigration
laws are not changed, the population of the U.S. will grow from its
current 312 million to 439 million by the year 2060. (www.numbersusa.org/issues/high-immigration-levels)

THE POST-1965 CHAIN MIGRATION WAVE
1966-1989: 507,000 per year average

THE NEW AGE OF MASS IMMIGRATION
1990-2010: 1,000,000+ per year average (https://www.numbersusa.org/pages/our-new-immigration-tradition)

These are facts….NOW TAKE YOUR LIBERAL ASS AND FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET!

“As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain
the exercise of that right.”

April 16, 2008, Democratic Primary Debate, National Constitution Center in Philadelphia

Now butt wipe debate that one!

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791, as part of the first ten amendments contained in the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right belongs to individuals,while also ruling that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices.[7] State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right per the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

Obama infringes upon the rights of the second Amendment!

Take ex lax you constipated moron!