In an interview with Breitbart News over the weekend, Vice President Mike Pence said that he doesn’t put a whole lot of stock in polls that show Joe Biden leading President Trump by double-digits in the presidential race. Asked about concerns that Trump is losing ground rapidly to his 2020 challenger, Pence said that the last race showed much the same story – and we know how that turned out.
“I think polling is broken in America,” said Pence. “I didn’t believe the polls in 2016, and I don’t believe the polls in 2020.”
The polls have given Trump’s supporters much to wonder about. Even though Biden has been completely absent from the campaign trail – and mostly absent from the national conversation altogether – he is only widening his lead on the president. A new poll from ABC News and the Washington Post shows Biden ahead by 10 points nationally. And while presidential races aren’t decided by a national vote, the news appears similarly dark when it comes to individual swing state surveys. Any way you slice it – if you believe the polls, you believe Trump is in trouble.
But that’s just the thing: Do you believe in the polls?
Pence said that he remembered sitting down for an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd and listening to the host recite a number of polls that showed Hillary Clinton with a tremendous lead on Trump. He merely sat back and predicted that Trump would win nonetheless. At the time, he based that prediction on the energy and enthusiasm he was seeing at the rallies.
He told Breitbart that he could detect that same enthusiasm this time around.
“I think there is greater enthusiasm today than there was four years ago,” he said. “And I really believe it’s because who he is, what he’s done, and what he’s been willing to endure. He’s never stopped fighting.”
Pence’s thoughts on the modern state of polling were echoed by Rush Limbaugh on his program Monday.
“You’ve seen the polling data that shows Trump way behind Biden. ABC, Washington Post, Quinnipiac,” Limbaugh said. “Well, a bunch of people have dug deep into these polls, and they found out that in every one of them the Republican sample has been 24%. ABC/Washington Post poll sample of Republicans, 24%. Quinnipiac, 24%. The actual number is 33%. The 2016 exit poll showed that 33% of people that voted were Republican. 2018, the midterms, 33% were Republican.
“So these are polls designed to depress you,” he continued. “They are designed to dispirit you. They are designed to deflate you. They’re designed to make you think your guy is losing, you may as well not even show up. They do it every year, every election. They under-sample Republicans, and it gives them the opportunity to misreport. There is a big difference in a Republican sample of 24% and one of 33%.”
Yes, yes there is.
A difference that could easily turn this election into (another) big surprise for Democrats.