Planned Parenthood: Kids Have Abortion Rights, Too, Dammit!

Posted On 19 May 2017

Two of the biggest left-wing scourges in the nation – Planned Parenthood and the ACLU – have filed a lawsuit against the state of Indiana, hoping to scrap a new law that requires minors to get parental consent before getting an abortion. The law, which is currently scheduled to go into effect in July, is being challenged by the abortion lobby because it would prevent clinics from notifying teenagers of the full range of options available to them.

According to Planned Parenthood, the law would block their clinicians from “advising its minor patients and persons seeking abortion services that they can travel to other states to obtain their abortions. The compelled silence demanded by the Act violates the First Amendment.”

Furthermore, they argue, the law requiring parental consent will have a “chilling effect on teenagers already dealing with a difficult situation.”

“We encourage teenagers to have open and honest conversations with their family members, but unfortunately not every teenager is in an environment where that is safe,” said Betty Cockrum, a Planned Parenthood executive. “Patients should know all options regarding their pregnancies. It is blatantly unconstitutional and is entirely without compassion for vulnerable Hoosiers.”

Well, if there’s any organization that knows about compassion, it’s the one responsible for killing somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000,000 unborn babies every year.

Indiana already has parental consent laws on the books, but the new measure would expand the rights of parents. While juveniles can petition a judge for a waiver, the judge will have it in his authority to notify the child’s parents of the legal pursuit if he deems it necessary. The new law will also make it illegal for a third party to assist a minor who is trying to obtain an abortion without parental permission.

When signing the legislation in April, Indiana Governor Eric Holcomb said it was about “responsibility and common sense.”

It’s actually sickening that this is even a legally-contestable issue. Can you imagine going back in time just a few years and telling Americans that teenagers should be legally allowed to abort their babies without informing their parents? It’s ludicrous that we’ve come to this point, and it’s outright terrifying to think about where we’ll be twenty years from now. The left thinks “The Handmaid’s Tale” is a portrayal of America’s future?! Please. At this rate, it won’t be long before public school nurses are performing abortions during sixth period.

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jgfsmf

Maybe they ought to try teaching them how not to have sex.
- Krazeehors
  
  When I was in Junior High, schools wanted to teach sex education. Students were required to get their parent’s permission to take this class.
  
  That was until the American Communist Liberties Union sued and got the rule overturned.
  - jgfsmf
    
    Me too. And we did learn. And we learned the right things.
- sandraleesmith46
  
  It’s called abstinence, and requires a modicum of SELF-control which is also not being taught any longer.
  - jgfsmf
    
    Right? Not even close. Liberals don’t need to do that because they have abortion to use as birth control.
Tiger

So what good is sex education, fee birth control pills etc if nobody using any of it and children having unprotected sex then being allowed to decide to murder the fetus? Yes murder the fetus. I am an RN, 30 years this year for my CEU elective I took Death and Dying, figuring since I worked it now and again that it would be a breeze. Well no sireeeee it now covers everything form natural disasters, to murders to suicide and yes abortion. The first paragraph on abortion said if a man beats a pregnant woman and she loses the baby he can be charged for murder and it said nothing about the age of the fetus. Then knowing what I was thinking it said if an abortion is legally done the doctor cannot be tried for murder but if illegally done then the doctor can be tried for murder. Wow well how bout that, legal murder vs illegal murder but murder by any other name is murder.

So before these children decide to be a part of murder they might need some guidance. Ya think?
- Jim H.
  
  That’s the sick minded and mentally demented for ya. They don’t even give the true definition of Planned Parenthood.
  Deceptive meaning in that name!
  - Krazeehors
    
    I don’t know if this is still going on, but did you know that SOME community colleges offer a “degree” as an “abortion technician?”
    - Lynne Douglas
      
      Really? YIKES! A degree for becoming a murderer. Wow…
      - Scott Campbell
        
        Abortion is NOT murder idiot. Murder, by definition is the ILLEGAL killing of a human. Since abortion is LEGAL it can not be murder. A fetus is NOT a human UNTIL it is completely VIABLE. It is NOTHING more than a PARASITE
      - Faye O’Dell
        
        A parasite? Do you know the definition for parasite and the difference in being a fetus?
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        No, obviously he does not.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Really? SO what DO you call snuffing out by violence the life of an innocent human being, without trial or other due process, without representation, without defense? Every other sane person in the world calls that MURDER!
      - Joyce White
        
        Scott Campbell. Just because the Supreme Court said it was okay, does not make it legal.The Supreme Court was way out of line when they allowed abortions to be legal. It opened a door to moral depravity. Girls who were hesitant to become pregnant out of wedlock, really tried to keep from getting pregnant. But once abortion was legalized, there were “no holds barred” There were no consequences for promiscuity, you just ran off to the butcher shop and wasted the little blob. No one was allowed to tell the girls what was happening to the baby,( which was being scalded with strong salt solutions or being cut to pieces and sucked out, all at a time when the fetus was capable of feeling pain. They went blithely on their way until the next appearance of unwanted superfluous tissue.If it is legal to kill a fetus, it must be legal to kill a baby, or a child, or a teen, or an adult, or an old person.Where do you draw the line, Scott?
      - MBounce
        
        Scott Cambpell–Congratulations for speaking up against the so called Pro-Lifers. I went 10 rounds with the same type of Anti-Choice zealots on another such blog. Not one ever laid a glove on me.
        
        They only know to scream with great passion, “Abortion is Murder”, which as you pointed out is FALSE. Another of their favorites is to claim, quite wrongly, that a zygote(egg+sperm) or an early term fetus “It is a Baby(or Child)”–again with great passion but no truth.
        
        PARASITE: an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host’s expense.
        
        They do not know what the words mean and will not use them precisely. You have called them on “murder”, but then there is “baby” and “child” and others. They don’t know what the law is either or how it works. They want the law to say what they want it to say, never mind what it IS.
        
        The so called Pro-Life types are DESPERATE to be sure that every egg+sperm is actually born and becomes a child. Of course, at that point, they don’t want to have any more to do with it. They certainly don’t want to pay for its food, shelter, medical problem, education or anything else. But they want to INSIST with the force of law that a poor uneducated mother, who cannot do any of the above, have a child that she does not want and cannot provide for. This is how the circle of poverty and misery is continued.
        
        Scott, I applaud your post, but I will not spend hours of my time with these people again. They will not look at anything that does not match their set beliefs on this topic. SO, the field is yours. GL
  - William Konrad
    
    The true definition of PP is Planned abortion.
  - Tiger
    
    The evil that has seeped into America to take us down a path that will eventually destroy us, have made it a business to put terms out there that mask meanings. There was a time bigotry and racism were not used to intimidate people into shutting up. They used the words in the proper context.
    
    We might have a chance but it is going to take a continued effort to fight all of it.
- Krazeehors
  
  The motive behind this lawsuit is quite easy to discern. Planned Parenthood and the ACLU do not want to have to tell teenagers the truth about what they are carrying.
  
  PP has, for years, been telling people that what they are carrying is nothing but “a big blob of tissue” even at the 8th month. That a living, moving child is of NO consequence because it hasn’t been born yet.
  
  Even though WE KNOW that a fetus/child as early as 23 weeks CAN be viable — look at Josie Duggar. Now 8 years old, she would have been considered only for baby parts for PP to sell to the highest bidder. They even CHANGE the method they use for the abortion in order to “secure the needed parts.”
  
  A member of my family lost her first child at 20 weeks. He was born alive, and his parents were able to hold him for his short life. It was NOT a blob of tissue. It was a living human being.
  - Lynne Douglas
    
    Every person alive was once that so-called “blob of tissue.” The miracle of life does begin at
    the magical moment of conception.
    - Krazeehors
      
      I believe that was EXACTLY what I said.
      
      75% of ALL pregnancies end in miscarriage, often before the woman even knows she is pregnant.
  - sandraleesmith46
    
    Even at 8 weeks a spontaneously aborted baby looks like nothing BUT an human baby! At less than 4 weeks, that baby has it’s own heart beating measurably with only a stethescope. At CONCEPTION, it has its own DNA, and almost always a different blood type than the mother’s.
    - Krazeehors
      
      I know that. I heard my son’s heart beat at 21 days. By the time a baby’s heart starts beating, ALL of the body systems that child will need to grow to term are there. Of course, they are not mature; the baby has to grow and remain safe in the mother’s womb until all those organ systems can function outside the womb.
      
      That said, medicine has come a very long way in neonatal research.
      
      I once had the opportunity to meet a mom and her premature baby. She was born two months premature and had to finish growing in a NICU incubator. When the mom was finally able to bring her baby home, it STILL looked like a very newborn baby.
      
      My youngest granddaughter was a twin. My daughter-in-law miscarried her son after being kicked in the stomach by a child she was babysitting. We were ALL worried about her remaining baby, not knowing whether it was a boy or girl. Thankfully, she made it until two weeks before her due date. It was obvious that she was a preemie and she had to grow and mature so she could catch up. A total miracle!!
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        I know; I cared for a lot of 2 month premies and even a few 3 month premies. Now they can survive at 22 weeks’ gestation, with proper intervention and thrive. Yes, when a twin is spontaneously aborted, it is likely the second will also abort, less so with fraternal twins, as happened with your granddaughter.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Yeah, she’s a pretty neat kid. She is described by her parents as being “just ****** (her name)” and a “total giggle box.”
        
        Will see her for the first time in many years this Christmas. I can’t wait.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Have fun; bring ear plugs, just in case; kids’ giggles tend to be kind of high pitched.
  - Tiger
    
    The truth would stop all this. The money is too great a reward for their body part collections etc. We know that many things today are made to seem to be something they are not with labels that please and take away guilt.
    - Krazeehors
      
      I agree.
      - Tiger
        
        In this case many good men/women have tried to stop this evil but it has succeeded.
- Obie Miller
  
  Very well said, Tiger!
  - Tiger
    
    Thank you it just doesn’t make sense and it is a waste of time and of money on all these things that are not working. That it would even come to a point a child makes a decision for themselves such as this, shows how far down the civilized ladder we have come. But then again it is very sad that parents are too busy to make sure their children would never even consider such a thing without confiding in their parents if they were in trouble.
- Michael Paul
  
  Planned Parenthood is a business. Every unborn baby that they kill is money in their pocket so let’s get rid of government subsidies and put these killers out of business!
  - Scott Campbell
    
    It is time you idiots realize a few things. 1) You have ZERO right to decide what someone does with their body. 2) A fetus is NOT a child, it is a parasite. Using you logic, a cancer tumor is a “living thing” and thus should be left to live. 3) All those fetuses would end up as another welfare case and we DO not need any more welfare cases.
    - imbog
      
      The only chance that baby had for life
    - sandraleesmith46
      
      WRONG! The INFANT in a child mother’s body is every bit as much a living human as she is and every other INFANT is! YOU are the only “parasite” around here. A cancerous tumor bears exactly NO resemblance on a cellular or organic level to a living human INFANT! And IF you’d stop teaching that murder is okay and a way to “solve your bad behavior problems” there wouldn’t be the numbers of unwanted INFANTS in the first place! Having sexual intercourse ALWAYS carries consequences, pregnancy being 1 of them; and when you do so willy-nilly, you’re bound to run into them.
    - Mai Tran
      
      Yes,I do not care what she does to her body but I care why she want me to pay for what she does to her body, a fetus is a child not a parasite YOU MURDER a child periot
    - Mai Tran
      
      YOU MURDER a child period
    - Tiger
      
      So why are you alive? You are toxic and should have been aborted, darn there just isn’t any justice.
    - Shayne Jenkins
      
      A fetus/baby has a heartbeat and is alive. A cancer tumor has no heart, nor will it ever gain one.
    - Doris Simonis
      
      Scott. A woman should take responsibility for her body and NOT get pregnant in the first place. If she chooses to lay down, spread her legs and becomes pregnant that was HER choice not mine or any other taxpayers. I believe, and apparently you do not, that we are all responsible for our actions and in the end it doesn’t matter what she or her doctors say is ok to murder, GOD will met out justice and I for one don’t want it on my conscience that I helped pay to murder his child. The fires of hell are very hot and living with the devil would not be my choice. Don’t want the child, because it is a child, give it to a couple who would love a child but are unable to have a child. Every child is wanted by someone. Rant over..
    - Jack Montalto
      
      If you want t see a degenerative idiot- Look in a mirror. If there is a parasite it is morons that think like you and I use the word “think”loosely. The travesty is that you were not aborted!!!
    - Joyce White
      
      Scott Campbell, That “parasite” you speak of is a human being, 26 days after fertilization, the heart begins to beat. That “parasite” has no other potential than to become a baby. The tumor does not have a beating heart or a brain. Thus, it isn’t human. There are better solutions to unwanted pregnancies than murdering the victim. It is called TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. Something which most young people don’t seem to know anything about
      - Frank Gugino
        
        Responsibility to not prevent pregnancy,is much like making a bank loan ,and trying to stiff the bank for repayment,There are consequences for the attempt to avoid repayment,the bank loan has a legal result,and the abortion is a moral failing,as is any other MURDER!!!
    - Frank Gugino
      
      Mr Campell,your statements refering to Pro Liferers as Idiots ,is IDIOTIC IN ITSELF,As to parasites,PP is parasitic to the NTH degree in it’s ability to SUCK MONEY OUT OF THE PUBLIC TO FEED THE PARASITIC demands of baby killers AKA, MDs!!
    - teachersaide
      
      HOW about “minors” are NOT old enough to give consent to sex (in most states, if under 16), NOT old enough to get their ears pierced without parental consent, NOT old enough to buy a car, house, condo, apt, etc without parental consent, NOT old enough to sign consent for plastic surgery, NOT old enough to enlist in the military, etc, but they can consent to abortion? Somehow, “minors” are old enough to have an abortion without parental consent? NOT in my book! So, IF “minors” are so “advanced” NOW, when are they going to be Sent to REAL Prison, when convicted of crimes, instead of going to family court, & getting “probation”?
    - Frank Gugino
      
      the only “parasite” in this argument is you Scott Campell. (sucking up to the abortionists)
    - Frank Gugino
      
      SCOTT, YOUARE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE,BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT USING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS, AND PP GETS A LOT OF OUR TAX DOLLARS AND USES THEM TO PROVIDE ABORTIONS!
    - VINNY BARONE
      
      Dr. Campbell or is it Professor Campbell
      to your 1 ) above…correct for the most part! However, when a woman has a visitor in her whom, and that woman is an American Citizen, that innocent child has the same Constitutional rights as its mother…LIFE-LIBERTY-Pursuit of HAPPINESS.
      
      to your 2) above to equate a innocent child to a parasite or a cancerous tumor, is obscured and quite frankly moronic. In the eyes of our CREATOR it is an innocent child and I would venture to say that absolute.
      
      to your 3) your referring to roughly 60 million innocent children slaughtered through abortion murder all Children of GOD all American Citizens, you call fetuses or parasites or chancer tumors would be given the opportunity to be adopted rather than murdered.
      
      Welfare for an American Citizen is acceptable, do you realize our government subsidizes roughly 24 million illegal aliens, all FELLONS, in 352 unconstitutional-illegal sanctuary cities cost taxpayers like you and I roughly $2.5 TRILLION annually relative to education-housing-medicaid-medicare-law enforcement, while our Military Veterans die due to lack of medical assistance…our senior citizens eat dog food n skimp on expensive medications, our children do will far less, due to illegal alien FELLONS.
      
      Now I don’t know about you, Id rather save the life n provide welfare to an American Citizen innocent baby child until such time as that citizen is adopted, rather than towards those illegal aliens gaming our welfare system, illegally, by our indebt corrupt deceitful DC DINO-RINO establishment government house of cards who are interested in votes by illegals, yes roughly 18 million voted in 2016 election all registered democrat all used deceased American Citizens ID, all committed another 2 FELONIES n those who helped them obtain the ID information committed not only a FELONY, but technically an act of TREASON to counter the will of legal citizens.
      
      Some food for thought…save the child PRO-LIFE or?
    - GrizzMann
      
      Well spoken Margret Sanger.
  - Tiger
    
    I listened to the congressional investigation on PP, the money the bring in is stunning, they are international and in all our prisons. For ever PP agency there are 15 other facilities with full women’s healthcare. PP also has a pact and all the millions go to Democrats and the day of the investigation the Republicans told that members of the Democrat party sitting on that very committee had received money from PP to not allow them to be defunded.
    
    The head of PP admitted abortions the main money maker and we found out the Democrats had not watched on of the 14 video even though all the Republicans had. Cummings promised before the next committee on it they would watch them. Never heard another word, but did hear the man who made the videos freed from any wrong doing and the video proved to be true and unedited.
    
    Congress is so filthy, so corrupt, so disgusting that only ridding us of all of them will help us.
    - Frank Gugino
      
      What would be the replacement for congress??? a monarchy?/ or a tyrant?? we should be careful what we wish for and who we VOTE for!!!
      - Tiger
        
        No what would be the replacement is honest men and women who love this country, care about where our tax dollars are going and were not paid and bought by the likes of Soros and were not puppets.
      - Frank Gugino
        
        I THOUGHT WE HAD ONE IN TRUMP, HONEST,AND LOVES HIS COUNTRY W.T.F. MORE DOES ANYONE WANT??
      - Tiger
        
        He is one man so you know better than that. It is the dishonest Democrats and RINO that are trying to destroy the only Honest man we have ever had in the WH. He is doing a fabulous job overseas and his speeches are phenomenal, leaders everywhere are so impressed and it doesn’t matter what the smug and arrogant and crazy Left are trying to do they are going to fail.
      - Tiger
        
        Oh and by the way President Trump a good start and my guess with the successes he is having in Europe and the Middle East and seen as a leader that was surely lacking with Obozo, there is nothing that any of the muck rakers and thumb sucker can do to him.
    - gvette
      
      Just remember why PP was started. That’s all you need to know.
      - Frank Gugino
        
        THE REVISIONIST LIBERALS DON’T HAVE THE GUTS TO TELL THE AFRICAN AMERICANS THAT PP WAS STARTED BY A RACIST WOMAN WHO HATED BLACKS AND WANTED BLACK BABYS TO BE ABORTED
      - gvette
        
        They also left out the part where she is one of Killary’s heros!!
      - Tiger
        
        For sure that.
      - GrizzMann
        
        To control the birth rate of inferior races?
      - gvette
        
        correct. The black population to be exact.
    - gotabgood
      
      Kinda like having Tillerson as secretary of state and having connections with Putin and Exxon..
    - gotabgood
      
      Not only congress but the senate too.
  - gotabgood
    
    So is a hospital….. so is the firemen and policemen…. everyone needs to make money…. If a service is required and you decide to help, shouldn’t you be paid? Or should you go on welfare because you are too busy doing a helping job to go look for a job?
    - GrizzMann
      
      Have the government pay for everything. Oh, wait, the government does not make money. Government takes money from working people, to run their non-profit endeavors.
      - gotabgood
        
        You are like a pendulum that swings to a full stop in either direction with no middle ground, until it is dead, (battery depleted, or all wound down)
        That is very true… the government does not make money… so why try to run it has a business?
        The government is for the people… not corporations that they should receive huge tax breaks and loop holes to escape paying their fair share of taxes.
        You people look at the government all wrong. Why don’t you look at it as a huge pool for new businesses, for starting an education, for building roads for you to visit your relatives across the nation. You would bitch to high heaven if you had to build your own roads… or plow your way to work if you live in snow country. Build your own bridges to cross canyons, and rivers. Make your own books instead of going to library.
        If you are working and you get seriously hurt, you can get on numerous medical systems, from disability, to Medicaid. the list is long… and you put 20-30% into this pool so ALL can benefit when needed… much like your car insurance or home and even medical. When we work together all benefit. You may be young today and full of health, one accident, one illness and all can change in a moment. That is why you have full coverage on your new pickup truck.
      - GrizzMann
        
        I seem to recall there was a document that enumerated the duties of government. Didn’t say anything about public construction or paying my insurance.
      - gotabgood
        
        You win… of course you’re right..
- Sun~Rose
  
  Very good. Thank You.
  - Tiger
    
    Welcome. Thank you. I see it as a black eye on a nation that supposedly prides itself on goodness and mercy.
- dude
  
  that was well said a 100% true I don’t know why we’re even talking about or how we ever let killing babies become a law to start with
  - sandraleesmith46
    
    5 black robed terrorists decided it was okay!
  - Tiger
    
    Thank you appears that no matter what we believe is the answer their answer is to keep the killing going.
- Suzu M
  
  1 million abortions obviously means 1 million pregnancies that ‘accidentally’ happened. Hm…sex education is working??????? I know one thing for sure. Abstinence does NOT cause pregnancy. Here’s another: Liberals who pretend that ‘kids will have sex’ because they have no self-control are foolish. Here’s the math. Kids who have no guidance, Kids who are heavily influenced by Planned Parenthood, kids who have no supervision MIGHT become sexually active and therefore pregnant. Supervised children don’t have sex. Children who are taught self-respect and given a healthy knowledge of the reproductive system and moral laws…are less willing to compromise. Children who are NOT taught, too early, the creepy, kinky, and downright evil of abnormal sexual relations, remain have longer innocent childhoods and rightly so.
  If people are irresponsible enough to have sex outside of a monogamous marriage, who thinks they are responsible enough to use birth control? Planned Parenthood claims that we need to TRUST women to make wise decisions, at the same time as acting as though it’s not possible they can choose NOT to have sex. They are playing mind-games. They are acting as children pushing their limits to see how much they can get away with. Stand up and DON’T let them lie and deceive and manipulate our children!
  Since their tactics make no sense, we must assume they are ‘getting something’ out of the results. Here are some:
  1. Money from the resulting abortions.
  2. Stealing the confidence the children once had in their parents.Pretending to be their friend in order to manipulate.
  3. Damaging moral standards in order to crush religious beliefs.
  - Tiger
    
    Excellent analysis and completely sane in every aspect and to the point but sadly look to a nation that voted Obama in twice and then look at the destruction done to this country with his agenda, that included transgender takeovers and tearing down families and mismanaging our school children to the point Michelle, not an appointed official, no nutritionist actually was able to force her starvation program of our children in our Public Schools while hers had 5 course meals.
    
    We are still pulling ourselves out of this pit.
    - Suzu M
      
      sigh. yep.
- Frank Gugino
  
  Tiger Sex education as well as, other subjects related to sex, is to teach responsibility as to when these “ignorant and unlearned children” begin to be “sexually active” and maybe avoid the occasions of abortion!!
  - Tiger
    
    It isn’t working.
- gotabgood
  
  Which is better…… or worse? Depending on your view point.
  Birth control or abortion?
  Neither option is good, but to stop a life is better than destroying a life. Stopping a life means before life started.
  Especially in a teen…. no matter what you do, educate or no education, teens have raging hormones and they know it all, so you can’t tell them anything. But to put abortion in a teenagers memory, especially if it could have been prevented….. by the parent teaching what life is all about… or birth control. You could lie to your teen and tell her it is to help regulate her… which it does, she does not need to know what else it does.
gotabgood

After you force women to have babies by taking their birth control away… then you humiliate them and force them to carry the baby……………… WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER THE BABY WAS BORN????????????????????????
I’ll tell you… you voted for your rightwing radicals that take away healthcare from the ones that need it the most, like the baby you just walked away from!!!
You deny it food by cutting food stamps. You deny it shelter by cutting HUD. You deny it clothing by cutting welfare.
Jesus said to give one of your coats to the one who has none. DO NOT use the excuse you live on the West coast and you can’t give to the one in Mississippi. You just made that same woman give birth, whom you do not know or ever will know. We had a system until the rightwing radicals gets a hold of it and you want to cut it… So stop the great pretense… You either care about the baby or you don’t….. truth be know it is all about the money…… if you knew your dollar wouldn’t be used for some poor woman’s abortion… you would walk away from it all…. and if you happen to be a true Christian and do care…… then you reach out with your love as far as your vote reaches out. if you can stop an abortion who lives a 2000 miles from you, then you can feed that baby, clothe that baby and give it healthcare… you say it is not your responsibility….. neither is it while the baby is in the womb. A life is a life… whether in the womb or in the cradle.
- Estell Newton
  
  Women need to say no if they don’t want children.
  - InternetCensorsREvil
    
    Indeed, be pro choice…
    
    Choose to keep your legs crossed
    Choose to keep your snake in its hole
    Choose to put a lid on it
    Choose to have the courage to admit you are, or want to be, sexually active and enlist your parent’s help in obtaining birth control
    Choose to be obedient and just abstain if they say no
    Choose to get new friends if peer pressure is pushing you to have sex
    Choose to endure the consequences of irresponsibility then give it up for adoption
    
    LOTS more choices than just murder
  - gotabgood
    
    Now you should be enrolled in sex education classes….. not as a pupil but as an instructor. Your classes involve no study… no books and last a whole lot less than it took you to dream that up and type it out.
    - Estell Newton
      
      Birth control works. And just because you men get horney that doesn’t mean women have to accommodate you.
      - gotabgood
        
        And I am all for birth control… And no, I believe sex is a mutual thing…. both have to agree or it doesn’t happen, a little explanation and understanding would go a long ways in a relationship too..
- InternetCensorsREvil
  
  1) a true Christian will NEVER support the murder of the unborn
  
  2) the person you just unjustly raked over the coals said NOTHING about what she personally does or would do to help a pregnant minor.
  
  3) the FACT is, it is that minor’s parents who are responsible for that assistance.
  
  4) it is the parents responsibility to obtain birth control and have a conversation about responsible sex and the hard consequences of irresponsible sex
  
  5) none, I repeat, NONE of the above are the responsibility of the government
  
  6) PP should be forced to shut their doors entirely. There are 10 other clinics to their 1 which provide the services PP does, minus abortion.
  
  7) tax dollars should NEVER be spent to murder the result of irresponsibility and selfish behavior.
  
  8) having to endure the embarrassment of pregnancy is a temporary consequence of irresponsibility and selfish choice – it is life teaching a lesson
  - Krazeehors
    
    Since when is pregnancy “embarrassing?”
    
    It was the best time of my life, and I was honored to be able to carry my child to term. It is the greatest miracle of life.
    - InternetCensorsREvil
      
      It isn’t. A teen mother, however, may feel embarrassed due to peer pressure.
      
      An adult woman who aborts is just selfish.
  - Krazeehors
    
    Where, in the Bible, would I find the definition of a “true Christian?”
    
    What about the premise that the ONLY unforgivable sin is the sin of UNBELIEF?
    
    What about people who become Christian after a lifetime of misdeeds?
    
    Just curious. Otherwise I agree with most of your comment.
    - InternetCensorsREvil
      
      I wish all religious based questions were as easy.
      
      Matt 7:16
      
      ALL sins are forgivable EXCEPT that of out right rejection of Christ.
      
      ALL sins are washed away after accepting Christ. The consequenses; however, may and often do remain. Forgiveness isn’t a free pass.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Really? Does it matter that you have taken that verse COMPLETELY out of context???
        
        In the verse, “By their fruits you shall know them,” Jesus is warning people to watch out for false prophets.
        
        I was unaware that Jesus’ Crucifixion was conditional. I wonder if Jesus knew that? His crucifixion was UNCONDITIONAL. If we begin forgiving sins CONDITIONALLY, we are completely countermanding his orders for us.
        
        Jesus says we should honor man’s law. That said, the law of free will still applies.
        
        To make forgiveness is to make it conditional — and that, sir, is NOT forgiveness.
        
        That’s like Jesus saying, “Well, I can forgive you for robbing that store and killing someone in the process, but I will NEVER excuse your actions.”
        
        That is for MAN, not Christ.
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        Jesus NEVER said forgiveness absolves consequences in life. Consequenses of eternity yes.
        
        As for by their fruits… I guess I should have said that I take the inferred meaning…
        
        If I can know a false prophet by his or her fruits, I can also know a true Christian by his/her fruits.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Really? Look up the meaning of the verse. SHOW me where it says that Jesus will return with a gavel in one hand and a sword of judgment in the other.
      - Krazeehors
        
        You know, you have NO RIGHT to judge people based upon whether or not YOU think they are a “true Christian.” My dad always told me, “For every finger you point in judgment, there are three pointing right back at you.”
        
        Faith and a person’s Christianity is between Jesus Christ and his people.
        
        What about the woman at the well? How about the prostitute who washed Jesus feet with her hair? How about the adulteress Jesus kept from stoning with the words, “Let he who is WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone.”
        
        Are you saying that those people were not “true Christians?”
        
        You cannot have it both ways. People are forgiven by Christ. They face the consequences of man’s laws on Earth.
        
        Or are you perfect?
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        So long as you remember that repentance MUST precede salvation, yes; if there is no repentance there isn’t forgiveness either.
      - Krazeehors
        
        And Jesus Christ is the ultimate judge. HE is the ONE person who determines whether or not a sinner has repented.
        
        We are ALL sinful by nature, and if you try to tell me that you never sin, ever, then you are sinning in making that statement.
        
        Read the following:
        
        Jack Zavada – ThoughtCo
        https://www.thoughtco.com/jack-zavada-p2-699908
        
        by Jack Zavada
        Updated April 11, 2017
        
        What is forgiveness and what does the Bible say about it? Are believers considered clean by God? And what should our attitude be toward others who have hurt us?
        
        Two types of forgiveness appear in the Bible: God’s pardon of our sins, and our obligation to pardon others. This subject is so important that our eternal destiny depends on it.
        
        What Is Forgiveness by God?
        
        Humankind has a sinful nature. Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden, and humans have been sinning against God ever since.
        
        God loves us too much to let us destroy ourselves in Hell. He provided a way for us to be forgiven, and that way is through Jesus Christ. Jesus confirmed that in no uncertain terms when he said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6, NIV) God’s plan of salvation was to send Jesus, his only Son, into the world as a sacrifice for our sins.
        
        That sacrifice was necessary to satisfy God’s justice.
        
        Moreover, that sacrifice had to be perfect and spotless.
        
        Because of our sinful nature, we cannot repair our broken relationship with God on our own. Only Jesus was qualified to do that for us. At the Last Supper, on the night before his crucifixion, he took a cup of wine and told his apostles,
        
        “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28, NIV)
        
        The next day, Jesus died on the cross, taking the punishment due us, and atoning for our sins.
        
        On the third day after that, he rose from the dead, conquering death for all who believe in him as Savior. John the Baptist and Jesus commanded that we repent, or turn away from our sins to receive God’s forgiveness. When we do, our sins are forgiven, and we are assured of eternal life in heaven.
        
        What Is Forgiveness of Others?
        
        As believers, our relationship with God is restored, but what about our relationship with our fellow human beings?
        
        The Bible states that when someone hurts us, we are under an obligation to God to forgive that person. Jesus is very clear on this point:
        
        Matthew 6:14-15
        For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (NIV)
        
        Refusing to forgive is a sin. If we receive forgiveness from God, we must give it to others who hurt us. We cannot hold grudges or seek revenge. We are to trust God for justice and forgive the person who offended us.
        
        That does not mean we must forget the offense, however; usually that’s beyond our power. Forgiveness means releasing the other from blame, leaving the event in God’s hands, and moving on.
        
        Case in point — when all the Amish children were targeted and attacked in a school, the families of those children immediately forgave the sinner who killed and injured their children. The shooter was dead by his own hand. But the FAMILIES went to the shooter’s wife and family to express their forgiveness PERSONALLY and to pray with them.
        
        We may resume a relationship with the person if we had one, or we may not if one did not exist before. Certainly, the victim of a crime has no obligation to become friends with the criminal. We leave it to the courts and to God to judge them.
        
        Nothing compares to the freedom we feel when we learn to forgive others. When we choose not to forgive, we become slaves to bitterness. We are the ones most hurt by holding on to unforgiveness.
        
        In his book, Forgive and Forget, Lewis Smedes wrote these profound words about forgiveness:
        
        “When you release the wrongdoer from the wrong, you cut a malignant tumor out of your inner life. You set a prisoner free, but you discover that the real prisoner was yourself.”
        
        • More on How to Forgive others.
        
        Summing Up Forgiveness
        
        What is forgiveness? The entire Bible points to Jesus Christ and his divine mission to save us from our sins.
        
        The Apostle Peter summed it up like this:
        Acts 10:39-43
        
        We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name. (NIV)
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Repentance often shows, or fails to, in the fruits too; for example, the person who persists in practicing a sinful behavior, as defined by Yhwh God in His Word, has clearly not repented. Repentance is a turning about (180 degrees) and walking away from that former behavior. The person who says he repented, yet persists in the same behavior, hasn’t repented. That doesn’t mean 1 who slips on occasion, but the 1 who CONTINUES unabated in practicing the same sinful behavior. Paul tells us clearly how we are to deal with such a person.
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        Quite to the contrary. The bible teaches not to judge lest you likewise be judged but also provides for judgement within the church.
        
        Also, I have NEVER suggested that a person, ones saved, might not be forgiven. I SAID that forgiveness doesn’t eradicate consequences – EXCEPT for eternal consequences.
        
        If you are going to get all butthurt, first try carefully reading what was said. You’ll save yourself some embarrassment as NOTHING I have stated is incorrect.
      - Krazeehors
        
        NOTHING I stated was incorrect either. The ONLY church I know of, in modern times at least, that metes out judgment for sins is the Catholic Church, which I am not a member of.
        
        I am a saved and baptized Christian woman, sir. I attend a Non-Denominational church that is affiliated with the Texas Baptist Commission.
        
        MY church does NOT judge sinners. They leave that up to Jesus Christ, which is EXACTLY where it belongs.
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        Then we are BOTH stating the same thing.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Thank you.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Thank you.
      - Krazeehors
        
        I know I am a sinner, and I pray for His forgiveness every single day, sir. We are ALL sinners.
        
        When I was pregnant with my son, I was unmarried and in the military. His father NEVER wanted OR accepted ANY responsibility for the child HE helped to create. He wanted me to abort my baby.
        
        So, I went to talk with a Catholic Chaplain that I knew on the base I was assigned to.
        
        The SECOND I told him I was pregnant, you could practically see dollar signs in his eyes. He told me that he knew of “a wonderful couple” who were “longing for a child” and who would “give my baby a great home.” As if I was incapable of doing that because I was single.
        
        I told that priest that I was going to keep my baby and raise him on my own.
        
        IMMEDIATELY, the dollar signs in his eyes turned to hatred, and he proceeded to tell me that I had “NO RIGHT” to raise my baby alone; that my child would be “condemned to hell” for being born out of wedlock; and that I would NEVER be forgiven for choosing to keep my baby.
        
        That was the LAST time I ever spoke to him.
        
        THEN, I spoke to the Methodist minister at my home church when I traveled to my home of record. He IMMEDIATELY suggested that I abort my child. I told him there was NO WAY that was going to happen. I ALSO told him that there was NO WAY I would EVER give MY CHILD up for adoption.
        
        A few weeks after I returned to my overseas duty station, I began receiving a series of letters, adoption release forms, you name it from an Adoption Agency in El Paso, TX. For awhile I was receiving them on an almost daily basis. It was not until I returned the contents of one envelope torn to pieces with a letter that stated, “There is NO WAY I will EVER give my child up for adoption, so please take my name off of your mailing list” that their harassment stopped.
        
        When my son was born, the Air Force Times had a regular list of newborn family members. Guess what?? MY NAME was NEVER listed specifically BECAUSE I was a single mom. I guess my son didn’t matter because his mom was a single parent.
        
        I married 17 months after my son was born, and it was a marriage made in Hell. Took me ten years to build up the courage to take my son and escape. During our marriage, I WAS THE ONE WHO RAISED MY CHILD. My ex was ONLY interested in my child because it gave him more money in allowances every month as well as a Family Separation Allowance when he went overseas.
        
        So yeah, I know all about how the Catholic Church judges people who do not follow their doctrine. As far as I am concerned they can take their doctrine and shove it where the sun don’t shine. I don’t need their doctrine OR their warped idea of Judgment. I will take whatever Judgment Jesus Christ has for me on the day I die and I will proclaim my faith in and love for my Savior until I draw my last breath.
        
        I am a great mom and a great grandma. My son turned out great and is now a devoted Christian, husband, and father. He didn’t get those lessons from my ex. He got those lessons from ME.
      - Krazeehors
        
        I know all about judgment that is meted out from the Catholic Church.
        
        When I was expecting my son, I was unmarried and in the military. His biological father wanted NOTHING to do with him and flat out REFUSED to accept ANY responsibility for him, financial or otherwise.
        
        So, when I went home on my mid-tour leave, I spoke with a Catholic Priest/Chaplain that I knew.
        
        The SECOND I told that jerk I was pregnant, you could see dollar signs in his eyes. He gave me a sickeningly sweet smile and said that he “knew a couple who had been longing for a baby,” and went on to say that my child would “have a great home.”
        
        The SECOND I told that priest that I was going to KEEP my baby and RAISE him by myself, if necessary; the look inhis eyes turned to pure hatred.
        
        He began yelling at me and telling me that “my child would be condemned to Hell” for being born out of wedlock, and that I would also be “condemned to Hell” for raising a child on my own.
        
        I married when my son was 17 months old, and it was a marriage made in Hell. Took me ten years to gather enough courage to take my son and run for our lives. We had a very contentious divorce and post-divorce period that lasted for 17 years. That SOB continued to threaten me until my late husband lowered the boom. THEN he took his anger out on my son, a child he was only interested in because it would increase his monthly allowances and provide a Family Separation Allowance when he went overseas.
        
        After running from him for 17 long years (and more than 11 moves) I finally put my foot down and said I was done running when I returned to my home state 7 years ago, but NOT before I wrote to him to tell him I knew all about all of his reprehensible acts when he had my son for visitation. My son decided at the age of 17 that he didn’t want to see him anymore and my late husband adopted him. They had a very special relationship and, aside from my dad and another dear friend who mentored him for years, he was the ONLY real father my son ever knew.
        
        So, yeah. I know ALL about the Catholic Church and their “judgments.” As far as I am concerned, they can take their “judgments” and their “doctrine” and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
        
        I will continue to shout praises to my Lord and Savior until I draw my last breath.
        
        My son turned out great. He is a devoted Christian, husband and father. He got those lessons from ME.
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        No argument from me about the Chatholic church, Methodists or Presbyterians either.
        
        The first is a stain on Christianity, the rest are the Church of Laodycia.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Forgiveness isn’t conditional, but Jesus never said the consequences of our bad actions would be removed by it. And we aren’t “forgiving conditionally” when we hold a murder to account for the murder, even after he’s repented that act; nor did He ever suggest we should. That’s what the Bema seat is all about: He will reward, or not, based on our actions in this life. We may be saved, but not receive a single reward, because our subsequent actions don’t merit any. He doesn’t “excuse” our actions; He expects us to be accountable for them! THAT is the Bible, not man!
    - sandraleesmith46
      
      The entire BIBLE is the definition of a “true” Christian, from Abram onward; not perfect, but striving to be obedient to the Word of Yhwh God. And the ONLY unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. All of us have been, or are, or will struggle with, being unbelievers at some point in life, since we aren’t born as believers, so if unbelief was unforgivable NONE of us would have a chance.
  - gotabgood
    
    A true Christian, takes responsibility of what comes out of their mouth, Jesus said you will be judged by every word that proceeds from your mouth.
    So when you spreads lies or false statements without checking them out FIRST.. you are held accountable… and you just spread a mouth full of lies or false statements.
    
    First place my comment was to the blog, not addressing anyone, man or woman.
    
    Yes it is the responsibility of the parents to take care of the baby. she has no job, no home… where are you goodie-two-shoes now? You made it so she cannot get birth control and you made her have a baby she could not take care of….
    
    ” tax dollars should NEVER be spent to murder the result of irresponsibility and selfish behavior.” ( and by the way PP does not get Gov. funding.. it gets reimbursed through Medicaid through services already rendered))
    Funny you should put it that way….. Should your tax dollars save a life?
    Should your tax dollars support execution? If yes, then you do support murder! If no, should we get rid of executions?
    - InternetCensorsREvil
      
      You are full of it, ignorant and I haven’t the time to deal with any mote foolishness.
    - InternetCensorsREvil
      
      by the way PP does not get Gov. funding.. it gets reimbursed through Medicaid through services already rendered
      
      More false information from the whining left. Here is the truth – straight from PP itself.
      Planned Parenthood’s 2008-2009 annual report states that it received $363.2 million in “Government Grants and Contracts.” (See page 29.) That’s about one-third of its total revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009.
      
      Should your tax dollars support execution? If yes, then you do support murder!
      
      More liberal nonsensical excuses to get people out of the consequences of their actions. If a person has done something for which the penalty is death, then that is the consequences of their actions.
      
      If a girl has unprotected sex, then she AND her boyfriend are expected to accept the natural consequences of their actions. Is it inconvenient? Yes – tough sh*t. Should have thought of that before she spread her legs.
      
      You made it so she cannot get birth control and you made her have a baby she could not take care of
      
      A blatant lie. Birth control is available to anyone. Minors just have to have permission from their parents – which is as it should be. Children are the responsibility of the parents, not the government.
      
      A true Christian, takes responsibility of what comes out of their mouth, Jesus said you will be judged by every word that proceeds from your mouth.
      
      I will stand before the Judgement Seat with a clear conscious – at least in this matter. I will tirelessly advocate on behalf of those who have no voice; whose voice has been silenced by the very person who should be the loudest voice advocating on their behalf – their own mother – but who instead, chooses to kill the life which was entrusted to her.
      
      RvW makes murdering the unborn legal, it does NOT make it right.
      
      Yes it is the responsibility of the parents to take care of the baby. she has no job, no home… where are you goodie-two-shoes now?
      
      My home is open to any girl or woman who finds herself pregnant without the means to support herself – as long as she is willing to carry to term then either raise the child or give it up for adoption. If she chooses to raise the child and still does not have the means, my home is STILL open to her.
      
      I will clothe her, house her, feed her, provide for her medical attention as well as that of her child.
      - gotabgood
        
        Turns out, nothing could be further from the truth.
        Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from Title X. There’s no keep-Planned-Parenthood-running part of the federal budget.
        https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-federal-funding-works-at-planned-parenthood
        >
        Federal funds
        According to its 2014-15 annual report, Planned Parenthood receives $553.7 million annually in government health service grants and reimbursements, which is 43% of its overall revenue.
        
        However, Planned Parenthood does not receive that federal funding in the form of a blank check or a government account to be billed as the organization pleases. Rather, federal funding is allocated to Planned Parenthood in two ways: through Medicaid and public family planning services, most notably Title X.
        https://mic.com/articles/164821/how-the-government-funds-planned-parenthood-on-the-state-and-federal-levels#.nIZfRBQHS
        >
        Bottom line you can paint any color you want….. but you believe in murder!!
        And there are a lot of ways a girl can get pregnant rather just bf and gf and it happens more frequently than you want to believe, incest, rape, drugged, ask Bill Cosby about that one..
        >
        When someone is poor your are limited in what you can spend to keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
        >
        ” I will tirelessly advocate on behalf of those who have no voice” Then you should be speaking out FOR the poor NOT against the poor..
        >
        “I will stand before the Judgement Seat with a clear conscious”
        Self confidence is good…pride is not… possibly a thin line between the two.
        People will come to Him in the last days and say, Lord , we have done many miraculous things in your name, cast out devils and healed the sick and Jesus said depart from me I never knew you… must be another one of those thin lines between working for Christ or the devil.
        >
        
        As I have said before locally you are a good person to help those in need…. but your generosity needs to follow your vote. Your vote can and does affect someone thousands of miles away from you. Your good deeds seldom get out of the city you live in. So stop voting against the poor. Stop condemning the woman who is in trouble and doesn’t have someone who is as kind as you are.
        If we are suppose to love our enemies, how much more should we care for a person in trouble and needs something as simple as healthcare for her and the baby if she decides to keep it.
        Trump looked to the president of Australia and said to him, Your healthcare is much better than ours….. Australia has Universal Healthcare.. Why cannot Americans have something that the president said is better?
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        Turns out you don’t get to manufacture your own evidence, nor do you get to use BS spin to make your point.
        
        So, either PP is lying in reference to what you’ve posted or they were lying in their official publication and report to the federal government.
        
        Either way, they are lairs and the people who propagate their lies are either fools or willingly flunkies and therefore lairs themselves.
        
        Which are you? Fool or Lair?
      - gotabgood
        
        No, not at all, it is learning to read the whole process. the website I gave said they received more than what you said they got….. it is the way they received the money from the government that is the part you left out.
        This is the part YOU left out!!
        “government health service grants and reimbursements, which is 43% of its overall revenue.
        However, Planned Parenthood does not receive that federal funding in the form of a blank check or a government account to be billed as the organization pleases. Rather, federal funding is allocated to Planned Parenthood in two ways: through Medicaid and public family planning services, most notably Title X
        It is all about reading the whole thing.
        So what does that make you…. a Fool or a Liar?
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        Yes, PART comes from medicaid but not all and what I said was correct and you were caught passing a lie.
        
        I know it, you know it, anyone who reads your post will know it.
        
        This is a no spin zone so keep walkin’ butterscotch.
      - gotabgood
        
        What you said was only PART correct.. you stopped…. to tell a part true is a total lie!!
        Better hone up on your reading skills.
        Only spinning done is from you.
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        I’m not worried about the part from Medicaid. I do not care about that. I care about my tax money given to butchers for the purpose of the murder of innocence.
        
        Naught else matters.
      - gotabgood
        
        I guess it is time for you to do some searching…. tell me what percentage of your tax dollar is used for butchering?
        While there, see how much is used in bombs, and drones and stuff like that… that also kills babies and I imagine a few pregnant women too…. Like when Trump told them not to flee but to go home, so what did Trump do??? Bomb their homes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now who is the butcher?
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        You are full of shitte. Trump NEVER said or did anything of the sort.
        
        Money spent killing those who have a choice to stop being what they are is a universe apart from killing a baby who has no voice, can’t run away, can’t choose to be somewhere else.
        
        THAT you can even equate the 50 million plus babies which have been murdered under RvW makes you worse that the terrorists.
        
        They are guided by their religion at least, wrong headed as it might be. You, on the other hand support killing why? Because you find pleasure in it? Sadistic, pathetic, pleasure.
      - gotabgood
        
        You are the LIAR…
        Amnesty: Hundreds of Iraqi Civilians Killed in U.S. Airstrikes After Being Told Not to Flee Mosul
        I am tired of you yelling fake news or calling me a liar…. do your own searching!!
      - InternetCensorsREvil
        
        .More likely they were killed by ISIS terrorists after the bombing and staged near bomb strike. Or the coward terrorists surrounded themselves with civilians on purpose so they can use them to play at the sympathies of the weak, the foolish, the pathetic.
        
        US strikes aren’t so inaccurate. We can hit our targets within a foot or two. If those people HAD actually stayed in their homes, they’d be alive. Whether they left by chouce or by force is neither here nor there.
        
        Regardless, looks like bullshitte fake news propaganda. Not a single US source pops in the web search using your headline, only alt-left and Arabic “news”, none to be trusted.
        
        So I’ll pass the mantel of liar back to you and you can keep it.
- Brenda Sinclair
  
  murder is murder, one million murdered babies, one million mothers who committed murder, one millions doctors who committed murder of innocent little children,a nation under God in whom we trust yet one million murdered babies per year. IAM GRATEFUL FOR HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO HAS FINALLY STOOD UP TO SAVE THE VERY LIVES OF THE INNOCENT, thur out histaory satan has sought to kill baqbies, even so at the birth of jesus all babies 2yrs old and younger had their heads cuts off DONE BY SATAN. i am proud and grateful to president trump for standing up for the aborted babies. G https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fee738415af5ece91623b6390843498a69b4b75cd718858a3170e701c8348d8c.jpg od will bless president trump and america now
  - Cadfael
    
    “Someone else’s body” with DNA distinctly different from yours!
  - Krazeehors
    
    You are wrong in one aspect. It was NOT “all babies” under two. It was ALL MALE CHILDREN under the age of two. Herod was trying to eliminate the Messiah before anyone even knew about him. He did NOT mandate that all of those male children be beheaded.
    
    God blesses EVERYONE. He loves EVERYONE, regardless of who they are or what part of the world they reside in. Forgiveness is real, and THAT is what Jesus Christ was sent to the Earth for. Many people today do NOT believe in forgiveness — they want to mete out “justice.” They want a Messiah who condemns.
    
    I am 1000% Pro-Life. I want Planned Parenthood and every other “family planning entity” to be HONEST about what they are doing.
    
    I wish Kermit Gosnell and his ilk had never been born. To this day, Mr. Gosnell says that “he did nothing wrong.” To this day, he says that he was acting for “the greater good,” even for the young women that had to be held down so he could exercise “the greater good.”
    - Sun~Rose
      
      aren’t You talking about the edict from Pharoah in Egypt to kill all Hewish boy children under 2, and Moses’ sister put him in a basket in the Nile, and Pharoah’s daughter found him and raised him?
      - Krazeehors
        
        No. I am talking about the order Herod gave after meeting the three wise men on their way to Bethlehem. He was afraid of a Messiah, and, in order to insure that ALL possible “candidates” were wiped out, ordered ALL male children under the age of two to be killed.
        
        There WAS an order by Pharaoh to ALSO kill all Jewish children under the age of two, but that was thousands of years before Jesus.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        No, just the boys; the girls were to be kept alive as slaves.
      - Krazeehors
        
        Sorry. I meant to say all male children when speaking about the order by Pharaoh.
        
        The statement I made about Herod IS correct.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Yes it is.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        It was both! In fact, Herod did order the slaughter of all the male children under 2 in Bethlehem; Pharaoh ordered the murder of the newborn male Jews in Egypt.
  - gotabgood
    
    You are right murder is murder… was you involved in ANYWAY with the doctor that was shot and killed in his church by a lunatic pro-lifer?? If you was, what did you do? If you wasn’t why weren’t you ?
    Take this mother you showed me that is carrying a baby… suppose she was at wits end, her husband left her, she was without food and and decided to take HER OWN LIFE. Does the baby die too? and why?
    This president you are so fond of and you THINK he is so caring about the common folks…… he is trying to kick 24 million off health care and taking 800 billion away from Medicaid. You know who are on Medicaid? The poor, elderly, disabled, Vets who might have lost part of his body to defend your right to kick him off his healthcare.
    
    As I have said before… I DO NOT LIKE ABORTION…and dam you people that make me stand up for peoples rights… their GOD GIVEN right to make their own choices… as the bible says… you hypocrite, take the beam out of your own eye so you can help your brother with the mote in his eye. (paraphrased) hate to be accused of not saying it just right!!!
- Krazeehors
  
  Yes, it IS a life. Have you ever seen a woman in a so-called “recovery room” AFTER an abortion??? I have.
  
  I have seen the lobby of a “family planning clinic,” where all the kids were welcomed with open arms, but once the pregnant woman goes through the “clinic door” for her “procedure,” ALL pretense disappears.
  
  Ever heard of “abortion trauma syndrome?” Ever heard of the myriad of problems that SOME women are faced with AFTER they have an abortion?
  
  Abortion should NEVER be a form of birth control, PERIOD. It is NOT necessary to keep a woman from being “forced” to give birth. In fact, I have NEVER heard of ANY woman being “forced” to give birth – at least not in this day and age.
  
  Case in point: In Ireland, abortion is against the law. That country has one of the lowest Infant Mortality Rates in the world.
  
  That’s not good enough for Planned Parenthood.
  
  They have been trying to CHANGE that law for decades — thankfully, without success.
  
  Also, 95% of ALL abortion “clinics” run by Planned Parenthood are located in the inner-cities.
  
  The FACT is that if these girls and young women were EDUCATED about how a child develops in the womb and NOT just told that it is just a “blob of tissue,” most of them have said that they would never have opted for abortion.
  
  The FACT is that Planned Parenthood needs to accept the fact that abortion is a MEDICAL PROCEDURE that should be done by a doctor with HOSPITAL PRIVILEGES.
  
  Or, don’t you care about women???
  - gotabgood
    
    I do not like abortion!! YOU HEAR ME???????? I DO NOT LIKE ABORTION!! STOP MAKING ME DEFEND SOMEONE’s GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO CHOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    But if you so called Christians can muster up all your name calling and disgracing the women who for UNKNOWN reasons are having an abortion….. and put that into helping instead of condemning and belittling, you might make a difference.
    How much did you applaud Hobby Lobby for making a stand against birth control…. EXCEPT when it BENEFITS THEM!!!!!
    Hobby Lobby is a craft store chain that says it operates “in a manner consistent with Biblical principles.” Those values extend throughout its business, except when it comes to the company’s retirement plan.
    I tell this often… if it is about PERSONAL BELIEF IN CHRISTIAN VALUES…… LISTEN.
    If I were a Jehovah Witness and I found out that my dollar was paying for blood transfusion, could I stand up and say blood transfusions must stop! Would you agree? or would you say my belief system is wrong?
    - Krazeehors
      
      First of all, I have NEVER, NOT ONCE denigrated ANYONE for having an abortion. I did, however, stop my niece from having an abortion by just talking with her in an adult manner. The SECOND she saw her son in a sonogram swimming around as a fully formed baby in her womb, she changed her mind all on her own.
      
      Secondly, Hobby Lobby ONLY refused to pay for FOUR TYPES of birth control — of the HUNDREDS that are out there, sir. That is a matter of Court Record.
      
      Finally, your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs. Even DOCTORS will stop a procedure they know will save your life if your religion prohibits it. Why would I do anything different.
      
      Oh, yeah, and I have given lots of money to the homeless, LOTS of food to the Food Bank, and LOTS of clothing and other stuff to Battered Women’s Shelters.
      
      I wish that Pro-Choicers and PP would do the same, but they only have ONE goal in mind — to do whatever it takes to TERMINATE a pregnancy. This latest lawsuit seeks to do so COVERTLY, without giving ANY information to the patient, her parents, or anyone else. That is wrong.
      - gotabgood
        
        Good for you on stopping your niece from abortion. I hope you remain with her as she tries to raise her baby on her own, I presume. She will need help emotionally and financially.
        
        Second Hobby Lobby picks and chooses for you. It is not and was not their right to do so. What happens to the woman/baby when she is turned away from having an abortion that you have no idea in this world what her problems are? But they can still sponsor “certain” types of birth control when it suits them. The woman doesn’t matter.
        
        OUR personal beliefs are our own and shouldn’t be made into a law to benefit a select few. I knew a woman, who watched husband die for needing a blood transfusion and they were Jehovah Witnesses, so no blood transfusion. the doctors knew they could have saved his life, but didn’t.
        
        What you do locally is great and much needed as you well know. But your vote goes way beyond your locality. it affects people you never heard of before. Your generosity should follow your vote!! And there is a way, through welfare, food stamps and HUD. But you vote against them. So you do harm to all that is outside your locality, kinda talking out of both sides of your mouth.
        
        And last….. you and most people on the right are so very much misinformed and I can’t really blame it on you for your news station, (fox) does not broadcast news, or at best selectively. example enclosed.
        Pro choice is a movement like pro life.. they talk a lot and do nothing but voice their opinions and humiliate and sometimes kill people and blow up buildings.
        Planned Parenthood does things and not voicing their opinions where not wanted. They actually help with the problem instead of creating them.
        I will also enclose a chart of the services PP offers. And do not just throw your arms up in disbelief, but check it out. It was Senator Kyl from AZ that made this first fake news about PP… ” On April 8, 2011, Kyl spoke on the Senate floor and claimed that performing abortions is “well over 90 percent of what Planned “… That is not even close to what they do, in fact it is so far away from what really happens, it can be called a lie, either through ignorance or willful ignorance. he lied!
        
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      - Krazeehors
        
        Wow. You make A LOT of assumptions about me that simply are not true. So I will try to answer all of your accusations.
        
        1. My niece’s son is now almost 25 years old and has a daughter of his own;
        
        2. Of the HUNDREDS of types of birth control out there, Hobby Lobby refused to provide coverage for FOUR, one of which was abortion. ANOTHER was the morning after pill, which is very dangerous for the mother and, yes, I have read the stats. In other words, they refused to provide coverage that WOULD, or MAY HAVE terminated a pregnancy. I don’t know what the other two types are.
        
        So, WHY can’t these women use one of the OTHER types of contraception out there, and WHY can’t MEN also use contraception? Research is VERY close to being able to provide birth control pills for men.
        
        And YES, Hobby Lobby absolutely DOES have the RIGHT — just like Medicare and other Health Insurance Companies out there — to choose which medical services they will pay for.
        
        3. Believe what you may about me, sir. But I was raped and became pregnant 40 years ago. My plan was to give my baby up for adoption. So, I went to a place called “Reproduction Alternatives” for COUNSELING. I TRIED TO LEAVE THAT PLACE THREE TIMES, SIR. I had NEVER taken any narcotic medication in my life before, and was given a “pill to calm me down.” It was ten mg Valium. Only after the valium kicked in was I taken to the room where my child was stolen — and, BELIEVE ME, I screamed my head off, begging the doctor to let me go. That doctor threatened to “knock me out” so he could do his “job.” I had NO pain medication, NO anesthesia, NOTHING. It felt like he was ripping my guts out as he murdered my ten-week old fetus. And, yes, EVERY part of this story is 100% true and then some. I was able to have only ONE more child, and he is a blessing.
        
        4. Yes, Planned Parenthood provides only 1/3 of ALL abortions in the US. But they ALSO have SUED the Federal and State governments over 100 times over this issue. We know that babies CAN be viable as early as 23 weeks. We know that they feel pain at 20 weeks. Fetuses are NOT just a blob tissue up to the 8th month, as many PP workers are taught to tell potential “customers.” They have sued to allow women to abort 8-1/2 to 9 month VIABLE fetuses, and that is MURDER. No, I do not know what problems that mother and child have, and NEITHER does Planned Parenthood!!!
        
        5. My vote does count for something. I refused to vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a liar, a thief, and a criminal, PROVEN over and over again. My candidate of choice was actually Ted Cruz.
        
        6. I did not vote for Bernie Sanders because he ALSO is quite corrupt. He moved all of his assets into his wife’s name before he began his campaign so “the people” would see him as “just a simple man trying to make the country and our world a safer place.” BULLSH1IIIITTT!!! He is a Socialist who wanted to screw the taxpayers out of every penny so we would provide free everything for everyone, almost.
        
        7. I do NOT watch FOX NEWS. The ONLY programs I watch are Bulls and Bears on Saturday mornings and Neil Cavuto in the afternoon. MOST of my news comes from various sources on the internet.
        
        8. Even YOU have to admit that there is a tremendous amount of fraud in the SNAP, Welfare, WIC, and Medicaid programs. It makes me sick. But, there is ALSO a tremendous amount of Child Hunger (renamed by the Obama Administration to “Food Insecurity” because it sounds better) in this country. Part of that is because of the fraud that goes on. However, SEVENTY PERCENT of all SNAP and WIC recipients are WORKING. They are termed “The Working Poor.”
        
        I am trying to recover from a horrendous injury and 11 orthopedic surgeries since 2010 so I can return to school to finish my education in — guess what??? FOOD AND NUTRITION/DIETETICS. I ALSO want to do a double blind study aimed at first researching, second educating, and third analyzing results for families who grow their own veggies and fruits — and the SNAP program DOES pay for gardening supplies. I can assure you it would be an eye opening project.
        
        That Mr. Trump wants to eliminate the fraud in the various welfare programs is admirable, if misguided. You cannot charge into these various program offices like a raging bull to cut and slash things you know nothing about. You do it by authorizing a means test for everyone on the program. Do you know there are even surf bums who refuse to work and exist on government welfare? You ALSO do that by STOPPING the Waste, Fraud, and Abuse and by STOPPING the retaliation against Whistle Blowers who expose these problems.
        
        I think Jehovah’s Witnesses are, in two words, completely nuts. ‘Nuff said.
        
        Just in my church, we support a village in Mexico where the people have no electricity, no running water, and no heat. We provide their food staples — coffee, sugar, masa flour, beans, and cooking oil. We provide toys for the children. Another missionary from my church provides for their medical care. The amount we ship down there every year FILLS a 24 ft. truck from top to bottom.
        
        We provide funding to help support former sex slaves and help them get back home to their families, IF they have a family.
        
        We fill a SEMI TRAILER full of donated food for our local Food Bank and Garden every year because their $100 MILLION annual budget is STILL not enough to feed those in need in my community. Every other church in my area does the same thing.
        
        We and other churches in the area are very pro-active in advocating for return of the commodity programs for the poor.
        
        My mom LIVES in a HUD Independent Living Center, and many are on Medicaid, so why would I be against those programs? As a matter of fact, I filed a complaint WITH HUD when I learned that money provided to feed the residents was being skimmed off the top to provide perks for the management. Prior to this time, they had not had a HUD inspection in over two years. Now, they have an inspection every six months and the residents eat good quality food.
        
        So, I am not as coldhearted as you may believe. If anything I am a moderate and independent voter.
        
        Medicaid and Medicare? WHY can they provide and pay for transgender folks (.02% of our population) to get their various parts cut off when THEY REFUSE TO PROVIDE FOR DENTAL, GLASSES, AND HEARING AIDS FOR THE ELDERLY, you know, those who have been PAYING into this program their entire lives???
        
        So, yeah, the government needs to STOP the Fraud first. They need to make sure that those who are able-bodied (determined by a DOCTOR, NOT the GOVERNMENT) work before they receive ANY welfare benefits, PERIOD.
  - gotabgood
    
    “Yes, it IS a life. Have you ever seen a woman in a so-called “recovery room” AFTER an abortion??? I have.”
    First to be in the recovery room, you must have been a nurse, doctor or a relative. Now suppose their “recovery room” was an alley or some cheap motel room.
    Abortion has been going on a lot longer than hospitals have been around… And many women died because of the shame or any other numerous reasons.
    But Hobby Lobby was around then…..
    
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    - Krazeehors
      
      I believe I told you, sir, that as much as I hate it, abortion IS here to stay. I think it could be made MUCH MORE SAFE for women. The focus should be on EDUCATION and SAFETY first.
      
      Planned Parenthood does NOT provide pre-natal care. They should. The ONLY “Pre-Natal Care” they provide is abortion.
      
      It is ONE thing to provide pregnancy tests and birth control. It is quite another to deliberately steer these pregnant women toward abortion as the only choice. If these women were EDUCATED about what they are carrying, LESS women would opt for abortion as their ONLY form of Birth Control.
      
      Have you ANY IDEA how many women there are out there who receive NO pre-natal care???
      
      Why can’t Planned Parenthood provide that??
      - gotabgood
        
        I totally agree with your first paragraph. But to keep it safe, the rightwing has to stop making it difficult or impossible for women to get into a clinic.
        PP DOES provide prenatal care. In fact only 3% of all their services are on abortion the rest is care for the woman AND BABY and cancer screening, regular checkups.
        What is prenatal care?
        Prenatal care is when you get checkups from a doctor, nurse, or midwife throughout your pregnancy. It helps keep you and your future baby healthy.
        https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/prenatal-care.
        They do not steer women to have an abortion, in fact they provide
        Counseling Services
        Our counseling center provides a safe non-judgmental space for you to discuss your thoughts and feelings with a trained professional.
        Our goal is to provide you with the support you need while empowering you to make confident, informed decisions about your life. For more information on our counseling services, follow the appropriate link for you:
        Pregnancy Options Counseling
        Post Abortion Counseling
        https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-western-pennsylvania/patients/counseling-services
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        Have you ANY IDEA how many women there are out there who receive NO pre-natal care???
        Why can’t Planned Parenthood provide that??
        As I just showed you… they do… and your vote takes it all away!!!
        Stop believing what you hear from the so-called religious party, if nothing else, check it out yourself. You would be surprised what you can find with a little searching.
        
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      - Krazeehors
        
        Prenatal care is often provided by an obstetrician and Planned Parenthood does not provide obstetrics, so I don’t find it hugely surprising that prenatal care is not a large percentage of their services. Any way you slice it, there is no logic in assessing the organization’s “priorities” based solely on prenatal care.
        
        Less Than 8% of Planned Parenthoods Provide Prenatal Care …
        http://www.liveaction.org/blog/less-than-8-of-planned-parenthoods-provide-prenatal-care-40-do-abortions/
      - gotabgood
        
        If you want to fight an organization trying to help women that are in the shape you was in… that is your right… but stop complaining when things aren’t 100% the way you would like them…. remember, PP is fighting to stay open. many across the US have closed, so imagine if you will, those women in those districts are going through what you did!!! That make you feel better??? DO something positive FOR them… they need your help…. they need your story.
        
        I went to your website, if you are not really careful in the way you read their article, I can see why Jon Kyl said 97% of service of PP was abortions, which is not true.
        PP is the only agency I know of that are there for women, and not just pregnant women, they have cancer screening and free checkups… why don’t we hear more of that?
        You have priorities? I am sure one of them is abortion and women healthcare over all. If you think PP needs more counseling in their clinics… you write them and tell them why.. tell them your story… you tell it often enough and to the right places. PP being one of them, you may get some redemption yet of your past experience.
        Stop biting the hand trying to feed you!
      - Krazeehors
        
        Would that be the “Other Services” they provide at 1%. I hardly think that is enough.
        
        Apparently, a comment I made to you was not put on this blog, so I will tell you exactly WHY I know what a post-abortion recovery room looks like.
        
        In 1976, I was raped and became pregnant. I wanted to give my child up for adoption. So, On October 15, 1976, I went to a place called “Reproductive Alternatives.” I had called them first to find out if they offered pre-adoption counseling. They assured me that they did.
        
        Once I arrived in this place, it was a COMPLETELY different story.
        
        I told them I wanted to give my baby up for adoption. They did NOT want to hear anything I had to say. They were intent on doing ONE thing and ONE thing ONLY. I tried to get out of there THREE TIMES, sir. In the end they gave me an “anxiety pill” to “calm me down.” I was then taken to another room for a pregnancy evaluation. It was anything but.
        
        Yeah, I was 22-1/2 and knew nothing about abortion.
        
        I screamed, cried and BEGGED that doctor to let me go and let me have my baby. He started yelling at me, telling me to “Shut the F*** up or (he) would “Knock me out” so that (he) could do his job.” I had NO anesthesia, NO pain medication, NO “Post Abortion Counseling.” All I got was a stolen baby and more grief than you can possibly imagine. I then developed a Pelvic Inflammatory infection and was only able to have ONE more child. It was more pain than I have ever felt in my life. It felt like that doctor was ripping my guts out. My child was 10 weeks old. I cannot imagine how it must have felt for him.
        
        I still grieve for my son. Mothers almost always know what the gender of their children is before they are born. My son is now in heaven with his grandfather, aunts and uncles, and with God.
        
        So DON’T EVEN try to tell me that I don’t know what I am talking about.
        
        Oh yeah, the so-called “doctor” who murdered my child and who owned that clinic is now retired. To this day, HE BRAGS about having performed OVER 600,000 abortions and thinks he did nothing wrong.
      - gotabgood
        
        I truly am sorry for the things you went through… rape is horrible, but what that clinic done to you was worse…. I think… I can only imagine.
        
        That clinic has no right to be in business, that doctor needs to be behind bars. even now!
        This is another reason, why there NEEDS to be a nation wide service for women in trouble and since you was raped and got pregnant you can tell that one idiot that said there was no such thing as a raped woman getting pregnant, she had to be willing. Things happen and it is not only or just bf/gf situations.
        
        My daughter had 3 kids and her husband left her for greener pastures, she met another guy and he was nice until she got pregnant and he left. Long story short, she got an abortion. So I am not so completely ignorant on the subject as you may think.
        
        We all have stories and each is different as we are all different. We need a system like PP, no, they are not perfect, but a damn sight better than the clinic you went to. Plus them getting government funding would keep them accountable for their actions. I hope you can see the need for PP and support them. They do have counseling available and maybe even required.
        Women need good reliable help and without condemnation!
      - Krazeehors
        
        I am very, very sorry for what your daughter has gone through as well.
        
        I have been through hell, and I am NOT as against PP as much as you may think. I HATE the so-called Pro-Lifers who spend their lives outside abortion and PP clinics so they can insult and abuse those women who have no other choice and no other place to go. Likewise, I despise the so-called Pro-Choicers who ONLY care for what they want when they want it.
        
        There NEEDS to be compassion in this country now more than ever. Women need to be EDUCATED about how a baby develops in the womb, and PP needs to be honest about it as well.
        
        I also believe that PP needs to take a stand for women’s SAFETY, NOT just their “Choice.” Like my niece, she was devastated when she found out she was pregnant by her soon to be ex-husband. He was an abusive bastard, and she had been so abused by my sister’s second husband that she was blessed to be able to have any children. Hers is truly a tragic story, and my sister is responsible for most of it. Why? Because she failed to protect her daughter. Trust me, had that happened to my daughter, her abuser would have died a slow and very painful death. She never had a chance. My sister died a horrible death from metastatic cervical cancer 22 years ago.
        
        I do not like the selling of fetus’ parts because I believe it is wrong. And I can tell you for a fact that for all the lack of compassion in the “front of the house” there is a wealth of compassion in the “back of the house” for the women who have had abortions.
        
        The National Institutes of Health needs to research this issue more. They need to research and do something to stop our rising maternal death rate of women who die in childbirth. It is thought currently that part of the problem is that doctors and L&D suites allow women to labor far too long. Some labor more than 30 hours.
        
        So, for all our advances in keeping women of childbearing age safe, we have taken several steps back and NOTHING is being done about it.
        
        I believe we need — and we will never get it under Trump or a Republican Congress — an agency that can inspect ALL abortion clinics. They need to inspect these clinics and make them safe. There needs to be a universal set of standards for this procedure, and that is something that PP is fighting tooth and nail. There needs to be penalties — fines and imprisonment or both for doctors and clinics who refuse to follow this universal set of standards.
        
        PP and the Pro-Choice movement need to ACCEPT that a fetus CAN be viable as early as 22 weeks. They need to stop their ridiculous attitude that a child is not a child until it is born. Trust me, the Pro-Life movement hates me because of my attitude. But, like I said, abortion is here to stay. And, since it IS here to stay, is should be THEIR MISSION to make it safe, and to make sure that every woman who enters their clinics for an abortion is given ALL the facts.
        
        And the Pro-Life movement, as well as the Pro-Choice movement needs to pull their heads out of the sand and focus on the real issue, which should be SAFETY and EDUCATION, first and foremost.
      - gotabgood
        
        Well said.
        The Liberals are definitely not perfect….. it seems most are spineless and scared to stand up to the Conservatives.Even when they were the minority in house and senate, it seems they got there way more often than not.
        First we need to change government, more women in house and senate. If men keep the ruling majority, not much will change. We need more Norma Rae’s to stand up and be counted…..
        Are you a Norma Rae?
        All it takes is one.
        Mr. Smith goes to Washington
        I think people who tell blatant lies, like Todd Akin, should be fired! and then depending on the seriousness of the lie, be fined and jail time.
        As Jon Kyl lied about PP’s main services were abortion.
        Lobbying should be called by its right name and dealt with accordingly, it’s bribery..
        I will get off my soap box.. smile
        Oh that fetus selling video was proven to be a fake.
        Grand jury indicts 2 behind Planned Parenthood videos
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/25/planned-parenthood-videos-grand-jury-indictment/79318450/
      - Krazeehors
        
        You are absolutely correct.
      - gotabgood
        
        We have a system.. maybe not the best… write them, support them, tell them the ways they can be improved on.
        And thank you for your posts.
      - Krazeehors
        
        I left you a lengthy comment. I hope it eventually shows up. If not, I will post it again.
- sandraleesmith46
  
  NO ONE “forced” anyone to get pregnant in the first place! SO “forcing” a woman to take responsibility for her own behaviors and the consequences thereof is only human decency! MAYBE, if more of them KNEW they’d have to be responsible for the consequences they’d be more responsible about their behaviors too!
  - gotabgood
    
    You are so wrong!!!! Sex is a God given RIGHT, not for you to decide whether someone should or should not be having sex…. or how they do it… or how often… or if they want 1 child, 10 children or ZERO children… but if they are to enjoy sex…. which God did make it enjoyable… then THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT TO REGULATE HOW MANY CHILDREN THEN WANT OR CAN AFFORD!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Now if I am a Jehovah Witness and I pay into an insurance program and I find out they pay for blood transfusions… do I have the right to stand up and DEMAND they stop paying for transfusions??
    And once again you have NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! If someone lives on your block, or maybe a relative, you may….. I repeat, you may know what is going on in their life. Someone that lives in another town, another state, you don’t know!!! But you think you can get on your high and mighty christian attitude and direct the lives of others!!
    Jesus would also not condone you putting your nose into other peoples business….. ” Get the beam out of your own eye” and He knows you! And your motives.
    - sandraleesmith46
      
      ONLY within the confines of a man and woman married to each other; ALL other forms of sexual activity are forbidden and considered abomination by Him. He already MADE that decision and made it clear. As for that, you have the right to seek out an insurer who doesn’t include transfusions on covered services.
      - gotabgood
        
        You just condemned half the teenagers (or more) of the world. Glad you’re not God!!!!
        By the way since we are talking about HIM doing the condemning, what constitutes marriage in the bible?
        Where does it say you need a license?
        Where does he say a man (pastor/justice of the peace) has to pronounce you man and wife?
        You will find marriage ceremonies, generally after the “marriage”. But no marriage ceremony.
        And it seems it really is ok to marry relatives… These are verses from the bible, and I will highlight to stress a point.
        
        Genesis 29: 14 And Laban said to him,Surely thou art my bone and my flesh. And he abode with him the space of a month. 15 And Laban said unto Jacob, Because thou art my brother shouldest thou therefore serve me for nought? tell me, what shall thy wages be? 16 And Laban had two daughters: the name of the elder was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. 17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. 18 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. 19 And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. 20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.
        
        21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.(ceremony) 23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. 24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. 25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. 29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid. 30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
        It is the going into a woman that constitutes a marriage… not man or a civic offocer.
        And has you seen Jacob had two wives. Was Jacob a man of God? Was it ok to marry his niece?
        Aren’t you glad that God is God and He knows how to handle it all? We are humans, full of mistakes and sin, we would do well to do the commands of God like….
        Matthew 7: 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Yes God does condemn that behavior; whether in teens or adults. There’s no requirement for a license; God arranged the first marriage Himself; wasn’t much of a crowd to bring. Humans attached ceremonies and rituals to it and later still gov’ts attached licensing/
      - gotabgood
        
        “Yes God does condemn that behavior; whether in teens or adults.”
        It goes beyond behavior, He also condemns the thoughts and/or motives.
        Along with Him condemning, He also gives us a way out of our destruction. Jesus.
        We are all guilty and deserve to die. The thief on the cross is a good example, he was arrested, found guilty, sentenced to death, while on the cross, surly to die, he was saved.
        You do not know the heart of anyone, no matter what they may have done.. even Hitler may be your neighbor in heaven… we as humans do not know. our job is not to condemn,….. the bible says it better..
        
        Luke 6:37 King James Version (KJV)
        37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        You were kind of on a roll, ’til you used, misquoted again, the single most MISAPPLIED verse in the Bible in modern times. “Judge not’ in its context applies only to fellow Christians and means that we need to self-examine BEFORE we critique a fellow believer, to be sure we aren’t doing the same thing. It doesn’t mean we aren’t to discern evil behaviors and seek to turn people from them; and we’ re COMMANDED to “judge by the fruits”. Our judgment isn’t to condemnation; that’s strictly Yhwh God’ realm. But we are to judge, and shun, SIN when we encounter it.
      - gotabgood
        
        Yes that verse does apply to Christians… I am sorry I thought all rightwingers proclaimed to be one, if only in words and not by deeds or heart.
        And if you are a Christian, you of all people should know we are all guilty…and God does not hold one sin above another…
        James 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
        God is our judge, not only for the followers of Christ but for the evil doers also. You do not have the wisdom to be judge, you shouldn’t shun ANYONE, for you are a sinner. You go against so much of what the bible teaches… but another verse to point out our judge,
        John 5: 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
        So if the Father judgeth no man but committed ALL unto His Son, JESUS… where do you fit in that you think you can judge anyone… who is yet a sinner…. and the ONLY way you are getting into heaven is the mercy and robe of righteousness of Jesus….
        
        Isaiah 64: 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        Isaiah was pre-resurrection, and spoke as a pre-resurrection prophet; after the resurrection, those who have repented and are saved do still sin, but we’re not seen the same was as the unrepentant sinners. Yhwh God no longer sees the stain of those sins “hidden” as it were, behind the shed blood of Jesus. And you forget the command to NOT conform to the world; ergo, we have to separate from those sinners who remain unrepentant; and to do that we have to discern (judge by the fruits) those who are or aren’t.
      - gotabgood
        
        So anything before “pre-resurrection” is null and void?
        You are in a heap of trouble if you believe that… in almost and maybe ALL of the old testament writings preach the coming of Christ and Daniel deals a lot about it. and before you say that was all about his first coming.
        Daniel 7: 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. ( second coming language)
        
        But even better is a new testament verse explain when Jesus was slain.
        1 Peter 1: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
        Then once saved always saved goes against the whole teaching of the bible from cover to cover. Parable of the 10 virgins.. virgins represents purity, they were chosen, they went to the feast, they all slept and only 5 went into the feast.
        Another parable about the king preparing a feast for his son, invited the chosen to the banquet, but ended up killing the unworthy and inviting the good and the bad to the feast.
        
        And another
        2 Peter 2: 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
        
        There are more, but I think you get it.
Estell Newton

Why aren’t taught morals by their parents? In some states, parents can go to jail for what their kids do and yet they are told they can’t control them per law. Parents should have the right to say no until that child is 18 and be informed of any dr visits.
- kotoc
  
  That’s right. The door swings both ways… if the kid is young enough that the parents are held responsible in the eyes of the law for any misdeed their kids do, they’re also young enough to require permission from their parents to get something as serious as an abortion performed. They have the RIGHT to know. And also, we (the general public) should NOT be required to fund the abortions, either!
  - William Konrad
    
    A case of the law flying up it’s own asshole.
  - Estell Newton
    
    No body’s abortions should be paid by taxpayers. If a woman wants one she should have to pay for it herself.
- Jim H.
  
  Amen!!!
  - Krazeehors
    
    ditto
- Lynne Douglas
  
  I agree, Estell, morals are now considered “old-fashioned” and “repressive.” What I find “repressive” is
  denying a pregnant teen access to all options. Keeping a pregnant teen uninformed is certainly a huge
  infringement to her “rights.” The decision to abort is a grave one that is taken far too lightly in the
  culture of today. The teachings in the Bible I know are as true and relevant now as they were in the
  “old” days — human nature hasn’t changed, nor have the values advocated in the Book which will
  never be out-dated.
  - Krazeehors
    
    Amen. And yet, atheists are all very quick to point out that pre-marital relations happened during Biblical times too. They do this to try to convince the unsaved that the Bible is nothing but a myth.
  - sandraleesmith46
    
    Yes, and especially when she will also NOT be told all the risks attached to having that abortion for HERSELF as well as murdering her unborn INFANT!
- Obie Miller
  
  AMEN!
- Deplorable wizard
  
  Oh yeah, you can’t get a tattoo without parental consent but, murder an innocent child just because you want to be a slut seeking selfgratification, that must be the law.
  
  It’s time Roe v Wade was revisited by scotus.
  
  And where are the father’s rights? He’s 50% responsible for the “blob of cells”, why is he left out of the abortion issue yet hit hard for support if the slut keeps it.
kotoc

Just think of all the money they (Planned Parenthood) would lose if part of their “market” (aka fetus parts-selling) business were taken away by that law. That stem cell market would get a considerable dent in it, huh? Those greedy, immoral, anti-Christians will get their due someday, I’m quite sure.
- Krazeehors
  
  You know, stem cells can be harvested from umbilical cord blood. All the parents have to do is sign a release stating that they are not going to store the cells.
  
  They are very valuable in research AND in developing treatments for previously untreatable diseases.
  
  We DON’T need stem cells from aborted fetuses.
  - sandraleesmith46
    
    The interesting thing about stem cells, virtually everything I’ve read about their usefulness, it has been ADULT stem cells that have proven effective, NOT fetal or cord blood stem cells. Those that work are harvested from the adult individual who needs the therapy, or from a close relative.
    - Krazeehors
      
      Not entirely true. GWB limited stem cells to something like 8 lines of stem cells — I don’t know what that means, ok?
      
      There have been MANY cases of parents “banking” their child’s cord blood in case it is ever needed.
      
      There also have been MANY cases where parents have had ANOTHER child specifically so they could use the cord blood in a complete blood transfer. I think it is used for Cystic Fibrosis for one instance. The reason it is so useful is that apparently Umbilical Cord blood is “nonspecific.” All I know is that it has something to do with how a baby receives nutrients from its mother during a pregnancy. If they have different types of blood, the baby would never survive.
      
      Likewise, ALL “Negative RH and Negative Blood types” where the baby is of a Positive Blood Type is very dangerous for the SECOND child. The mother has to have a RhoGam shot after the first pregnancy to protect all future children.
      
      I am O Negative. My son is O Positive. I lost my first child. So, I had to have a RhOGam shot to protect him.
      - sandraleesmith46
        
        It’s called Rh incompatibility, and I was around when Rhogam was first developed to combat that. But the science shows that adult stem cells have been FAR more effective in treating adult problems than fetal cells have been. That’s the outcome of the research.
Donald Lindsey

When the heart starts beating then it is alive and to abort a child in the womb in MURDER, you may justify as anything but tit is still Murder in the eyes of GOD.
- Cadfael
  
  When the fertilized egg starts multiplying it is a child, It is a child one nanosecond after fertilization; and the rights described in our Constitution don’t come from the government, or the Supreme Court, they come from God the Creator as our Declaration of Independence so definitively states. Therefore it is, and was not legal, nor constitutional for the SCOTUS to decide in this matter and to abbreviate the rights of millions of unborn U.S. citizens and sentence them to be murdered by greedy medical personnel in defiance of the original Hippocratic Oath. No wonder most doctors today take some other form of oath. “First do no harm,..” is not exactly popular these days, especially since it is downright unprofitable by preventing the fields of abortion, euthanasia, prescription of harmful but expensive drugs, and exploratory surgery, or “searchery” one might say, for the sheer purpose of exploration of new sources of income in itself.
  - Sun~Rose
    
    Good one!
MILES E DRAKE

The goal of the Obammunist social agenda is of course the dissolution of the family. In “Brave New World” children and cloned and hatched, and in “1984” the state is working on reproduction through artificial insemination and child-raising in state institutions, and the American left wants the same thing. This is in part so that “Planned Parenthood” functionaries and unionized social workers and public health nurses will have power and money, and also because this would be a happy hunting ground for pedophiles and pederasts. We know from documents accidentally lost during a recent violent attack on Trump supporters that Antifa and other “resistance” groups are closely tied to NAMBLA, and that both the chicken hawks and babykillers are under the protection and on the payroll of Nazi kapo Soros.
Loving America

Americans Let’s see if President Trump will “Revive the Law That Parents CAN Make Children Mind and Teach Them Morals without Government Intervention!” All the “Free Love and Taking Rights From Parents Happened after Vietnam” The Country has gone to hell in a hand basket! If We want to survive the EVIL Laws in Ameirca that casued these kids to go wrong then We have to ask for the Parents Rights Back NOW! Please help and Let’s Really Take America Back Starting by Taking Back Our Children!
- sandraleesmith46
  
  Started in the EARLY ’60s, actually.
Cadfael

That is only if those kids actually made it to their birth and past, and were not aborted by Planned Parenthood; because until that point Planned Parenthood claims they have no rights whatsoever! The only thing consistent about that organization is their inconsistency in the definition of life and rights! They’ll have it either way as long as it is profitable to them and their protector hack politician friends – selling baby parts and their own conscience and soul for as much bling as they can get! Dehumanizing,murdering and selling the unborn by the pound, and promoting the destruction of families, and individuals, their morals and culture while promoting promiscuity, complicity in infanticide, and psychological trauma – the true definition of “choice”. They are so “Pro-Choice” -as in “would you like a skull, or a liver, or a choice piece of Brain?”
papa doug

As a father the very idea that planned parenthood wants the right to perform abortions on children without parental consent is so reprehensible I could just chew nails and spit tacks! What is wrong with you people, what slimy rock did you crawl out from under? Children don’t have the informed knowledge to even engage in sex responsibly now PP wants to abort their children covertly!
Not only that but the ACLU used to be an organization that fought to uphold Constitutional rights and human rights, now it seems they are doing the bidding of socialist scumbags who want to rule us.
I would like to hear them try their reasoning before God. (Remember; “Thou shalt not kill”!)
- sandraleesmith46
  
  I think you have to look a little lower on the chain; like somewhere closer to the pit of hell, for their point of origin; even the bugs and slugs under a slimy rock have a better handle on the concept of procreation and rarely kill their own offspring.
rivahmitch

The article assumes that Parents have some rights beyond being the “investor” to pay for those things the government wants them (the children) to have. In the view of the left, “parents” are just a financial convenience having no rights at all. The children belong to “the village” (that is, the government).
Normie G

They ought to make the kids get parental consent to have sex! Abortion should not be birth control!
SouthernPatriot

Yes, children in the womb have a right to life, just as all of us reading this have. Right to the life and all the blessings incumbent. My father was born almost 100 years ago, less than 16 ounces. There was no hope for his survival, according to physicians in that day. His mother took him home, put him in a padded shoe box and nursed him to health, and abundant health. He grew into a man over 6’3″ and a decorated officer in WWII and Korea, He returned home to form companies and employed and gave livelihoods to thousands of families during his lifetime.

Informing parents about decisions of minors receiving services to kill the baby inside is a no-brainer to everyone but the radical Planned Non-Parenthood and their ilk.
- Krazeehors
  
  Amen. What a wonderful miracle, and for it to happen so many years ago — before the age of “modern obstetrics” is another miracle.
hankster6

The only rights that kid’s should have should be the rights given by their parents, period!
William Konrad

I don’t care, I can always get an abortion. If I’m stupid enough to get pregnant, I’m probably too stupid to understand the consequences of an abortion, (murder).
Larry Brule

DON’T THEY HAVE ENOUGH BABIES TO KILL WITHOUT HUNTING DOWN MORE? I HATE ABORTION AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR. THE FATHER SHOULD HAVE AS MUCH SAY AS THE MOTHER. THEY BOTH MADE THE BABY.
Linda Shelton

Every day I read about more and more parent’s right being taken away. More and more they holler about parents not doing their job, but when they do, they are changed with abuse. A spanking is not abuse but it might, just might teach a child respect. Ask any teacher how much respect they get in the class room in the inner cities.

Teach a child they way he should go, and he will not depart from it, so watching some children today, you know they are being taught abuse. A beating is not a spanking, telling a child they are nobody, is abuse. Cursing at them is abuse. Look around, what do you see.
Scott Campbell

This is actually interfering in a person’s right to decide what to do with their own body. What is next, requiring kids to ask their parents permission to get treated at an ER? Does this include requiring parents permission to get a vaccine?
guest

No they don’t,have the same rights as adults.That’s why we have the [ age of majority ].
sandraleesmith46

KIDS should not NEED abortions; if you and the media would stop filling their heads with the lies about “free love”!
Nice_Cat

A fetus is not a baby, and if anyone should have unfettered right to an abortion it is teenagers.
- sandraleesmith46
  
  WRONG: a fetus is a baby; and and NO ONE should have “unfettered” access to MURDER!
Mai Tran

Tiger, you are 100% right
Cissy Nobbe

Time to require schools and churches about Responsible Sex. In other words, no sex unless a person is financially able and emotionally committed to a happy upbringing of a child. This is the question every school and every Church should pose to every member of the human race, from earliest of years. Birth should not be happenstance, but wanted by both responsible adults. Physicians should be allowed to abort fetuses from incest and rape. Even the early Catholic Church granted this permission. Our society needs to stop joining into the Hollywood diseased mind set, and of Ted Turner’s CNN. They have done quite a mind-control work on the public of all ages, even in cartoons, that sex on any level is the only way to have fun. Even the more informed and “educated” politicians have been caught in their web.
- sandraleesmith46
  
  No; that only adds to the trauma of the mother as well. They need therapy before making any such life-altering decision! In fact, many realize the BABY is as much a victim as they are. And if they don’t want the baby, adoption is an healthier option for both. The ONLY time “abortion” should be considered is when 2 lives WILL be lost and 1 may be saved.
dude

they don’t have abortion rights …and they shouldn’t have as many rights as they do till their 18 years old and on their own and paying their own bills…and know body should have the right to take the life of an unborn baby for that matter
hankster6

Insane people give kids what ever they want. The insane people are called liberals. They raised spoiled brats that no one likes to be around. Yes, those spoiled brats are given the rights of adults and cause the adults, their parents, to go nuts, because there is no control in the kids lives. They are using their own kids to get rich and the kids end up in jail for doing irrational things, like killing innocent people and taking drugs, showing disrespect to the entire world. Then the go to jail, when they are forced to show respect or get punished for not doing it. The parents should be the ones in jail for child abuse!
Carol

Lefties don’t give a damn. The underage by this law can get protection if they need it through the courts..This law makes common sense. Something the libs don’t understand. As far as kids having rights, what about the ones being aborted???
Maggiemae

Planned Parenthood has totally lost their friggin minds. A child needs parental written approval to go on a field trip for school and they want to allow those children to have an abortion with only that child’s consent. I totally detest PP. I, for one, do not want to pay for ANYONE’S ABORTION…..PERIOD. I think it’s good they provide ‘health related’ services for those in need, including birth control measures, but that’s as far as they should be allowed to go. If an adult wants an abortion, they must pay for it themselves. Any women getting an abortion must be sent to some class to teach them HOW they get pregnant as apparently they haven’t figured that out.
David McAllister

Planned Murderhood will do anything to keep the money coming in from their ghoulish body parts sales scam.
Gerri

You bunch of idiots. You have one hell of a nerve to think you have the right to perform an abortion on ANY teenager WITHOUT their parents being involved!!!! Just who the hell do you people think you are!!!! It’s not bad enough you kill babies ,sell their body parts in the name of some sense of the greater good, no ! Now you also think you should butt into families and do invasive procedures on underage children behind the backs of their parents!!! You are disgusting.
Rick D.

Just when you thought you’d heard the absurdity of absurdities, we read about this warped article!! So, now we’re assigning the rights of adulthood to children? When will the insanity ever end?
higgy01

Planned Parenthood is nothing but an irresponsible butcher shop that only cares about making money through abortions and selling the body parts. The American criminal liberties union is made up of left wing libtard lawyers that can’t make it otherwise. They CLAIM to be civil rights advocates but only selectively. They ignore anything unscrupulously done to conservatives, Christians and/or whites but protect criminals like PP and protests any law that makes sense!
Dianna

So PP is advocating that children (ages 11 – 17) to justify MURDER. “I can behave badly, have unprotected sex, and if I get pregnant, I can JUST HAVE AN ABORTION”. That leaves the father of the baby off the hook and he will continue on with his lack of respect for himself and women in general.
How do you associate a fetus with a cancerous tumor? It’s sickening.
Joyce White

This is what happens when parents let the Government take over parental duties. Whether people (or the Government) like it or not, children do not have the same rights as adults. There is a reason why children don’t reach their majority until the age of 18. ( And it probably should be the age of 25, for most of them). For the most part, kids have not lived and experienced enough of normal situations because they are not taught to accept responsibility . Most modern day parents, bail their kids out as soon as any problem arises. This teaches the kids nothing except they don’t have to answer for anything. The only RIGHTS children have are basic human rights. Shelter, clothing food and care.. Everything else is either a gift or an earned reward.Parent! Stop trying to buy your kids affection and respect. Both thing are earned, not bought. Tell the government to stay out of the home, and take care of your pregnant children.
Frank Gugino

Minor children MUST have parental concent to even have Pierced ears.To deny parental concent to have an abortion is purely a liberal demand to commit INFANTICIDE!!!
Frank Gugino

I have heard the pro abortionists refer to “DRIVING WOMEN BACK TO “BACK ALLEY ABORTIONS” WHILE, BACK ALLEYS ARE ALWAYS THE PLACES WHERE MURDER IS DONE!!!
Zed Paul Awonox

Help! I am looking for a documentary I saw yrs ago but don’t recall the name. It is about the massive grave site of baby bones found in the sewer system underneath an ancient Roman brothel. The bones were from babies discorded (post birth abortions) which was legal because the ancient Romans didn’t believe that a child was human until it began to speak. The university professor explains how we today could not judge their action because the ancient mind set was different.
Floyd

It is KLAN Parenthood they target the blacks. The NAZI party was better than the demoKKKrats. The NAZIs killed over 15,000,000. But the demoKKKrats have killed over 61,000,000 BABIES. Then with odumbie care killing a lot more old people
- Frank Gugino
  
  women abortiinists are FEMINAZIS
Floyd

Remember ACLU means All Communist Losers Union
VINNY BARONE

A child, in the mothers whom, be that mother adult or teenager, constitutional right to LIFE-LIBERTY-PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Those rights must be enforced by our Constitutional Republic government, without question. Should a mothers life be endangered for whatever reason, the innocent child life must be saved in lieu of the mother.

Planned Parenthood government funding as it relates to abortion murder must be omitted. Any deviation must be handled by government swiftly. The taking of a life is murder, no matter how we try to phrase it like planned parenthood, nonsense.
- gotabgood
  
  Hyde Amendment
  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  This article is about the abortion-funding amendment. For the unrelated 1997 amendment, see Hyde Amendment (1997).
  In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape.[1][2] Legislation, including the Hyde Amendment, generally restricts the use of funds allocated for the Department of Health and Human Services and consequently has significant effects involving Medicaid recipients.[1][2] Medicaid currently serves approximately 6.5 million women in the United States, including 1 in 5 women of reproductive age (women aged 15–44).[3][4]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
  - VINNY BARONE
    
    I stand by my statements regardless abortion is murder n the child must always be saved before the mother.
    - gotabgood
      
      I see you aren’t going any place with that attitude..
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      - VINNY BARONE
        
        gatabgood…I’ve been around long enough to see my country degenerate relative to accountability-honesty-integrity-morality-respect-responsibility. Abortion-planned parenthood, whatever you want to call it, has slaughtered roughly 60 million innocent children since abortion murder legalized, which is unconstitutional…For those unborn children, inside mothers whom, is an American citizen, has same liberty n justice for all, as its mother. You can play the smug semantics anywhichway you like and those that support murder want, for its still MURDER…For it is written, by the Highest authority, those who perform this detestable act [mother, doctor, supporters, will be measured most severely. I don’t know about where I’m going, but I can guarantee you my friend, it will be better that those who disagree with our CREATOR!
      - gotabgood
        
        When you bring Christ into the picture. You do know his ways and thoughts are not like yours or mine.
        He speaks plenty on how we should treat others.. he even says turn the cheek, He says to love thine enemies. He tells us not to look at others and want to help when we are blind, ( get the beam out of your own eye first). You can say to yourself and others too if you like… that is what the Pharisees did… they made sure they were seen doing good deeds.
        You and I cannot condemn anyone…. we are not the judge.. you only see the exterior, God sees the heart. He knows your motives. You are not righteous enough to point the accusing at anyone… you know how I know this? The bible says ALL of your righteousness are as filthy rags.
        Stop thinking you are better than anyone, no matter what they have done. God looks at sin different than you do… you think you will be in a better place, because why? You pray a lot? You do good deeds? The Pharisees were king of the prayers, but as Jesus said to them You are hypocrites. in the last days some will come to Him and say Lord, Lord we have done marvelous things in your name, cast out demons, healed the sick… Jesus said depart from me I never knew you… tough words to someone that has cast out demons and healed the sick… done any of that lately?
        I want to give you a parable, my favorite and one I cling to for my salvation.
        
        Matthew 22: 1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. 5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. 9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. 10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
        That is my way into heaven. when all the the chosen people let God down and He gets angry enough to say go invite the “bad and the good”.. I will run to the feast. I am a sinner. I cuss people out on here and say things I shouldn’t I know I am not worthy, so I am depending on the church goers to make God mad! You mad yet?
      - VINNY BARONE
        
        gotabgood, first it CHRIST. If GOD HIS FATHER says its detestable to HIM, its detestable to CHRIST HIS SON! GOD looks at sin a WRONG-EVIL there is no idle of the road in the eye of our CREATOR. We will all be measured how we made choices in life. I do not presume to better than my neighbor, for we are all sinners. However, when my neighbor spouts nonsense I as any othet have the right to challenge. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE TEALEAVES!
      - gotabgood
        
        You are going against two laws..
        God said we all have the right to choose….
        Our land says we have freedom of speech..
      - VINNY BARONE
        
        CHOOSE YES, and be measured based on our choice RIGHT vs Wrong! READ!
      - Skippy
        
        Hey ya pathetic moron nobody here cares about what you say, so why don’t you just GO AWAY!!
        I’ve got an idea since you mindless liberal drones don’t like the way the founding fathers set this Country up for all of us freedom loving people. Why don’t you move to Canada, or to a European country, and leave ours alone.
        So long Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!
      - gotabgood
        
        You are clueless about what our founding fathers did, said or wrote about this country…
        
        WARNINGS FROM OUR PAST!
        “I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.” —Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States (1801–1809) and principal author of the United States Declaration of Independence (1776), in a letter written to John Taylor on May 28, 1816
        
        “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, An Autobiography, 1913 (Appendix B)
        
        “A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men… [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, The New Freedom, 1913
        
        “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” — Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States (1933–1945), in a letter to Colonel Edward M House dated November 21, 1933, as quoted in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945.
        
        “Today the path to total dictatorship in the U.S. can be laid by strictly legal means… We have a well-organized political-action group in this country, determined to destroy our Constitution and establish a one-party state… It operates secretly, silently, continuously to transform our Government… This ruthless power-seeking elite is a disease of our century… This group…is answerable neither to the President, the Congress, nor the courts. It is practically irremovable.” – Senator William Jenner, 1954 speech
        
        “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States,, January 1961 Speech
        
        “The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings… Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe… no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of “clear and present danger,” then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent… For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.” — John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, from a speech delivered to the American Newspaper Publishers Association on April 27, 1961 and known as the “Secret Society” speech (click here for full transcript and audio).
        
        “The Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” Congressman Larry P. McDonald, November 1975, from the introduction to a book titled The Rockefeller File.
      - Skippy
        
        WTF ever mindless liberal drone. When you study The Constitution, The federalist papers, ThE Anti federalist papers, and The Writings Of Thomas Jefferson, then you can come talk to me Brainless Wonder. I suggest you go and study those maybe you won’t be a mindless liberal drone.
        You’ve just proved how much of an illiterate on the founding fathers you are.
        So long Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - Skippy
        
        You truly are a brainless wonder, talking out of your ass.
        It’s funny that you quoted Thomas Jefferson as a warning from the past. You pathetic morons take a couple of lines out of his writings and twist it all out of context. He wrote alot of warnings against a big over intrusive Government like we have now. He wrote, and spoke about having a small and limited Government. So that we the people can truly have freedom. That’s something that you being a mindless liberal drone doesn’t like.
        
        Theodore Roosevelt didn’t believe in a limited Government. He did do some good things, but he grew the Government.
        Woodrow Wilson he was a racist, and he despised The Constitution. He didn’t like how The Constitution limited what he could do as the president. In some of his speeches he condemned the founding fathers for the way they set this system of Government to work. This is exactly what Thomas Jefferson, and the other founding fathers warned us about. You need to go and do some real studying about our founding fathers, and the founding of this Nation. Try again.
        So Long Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - gotabgood
        
        There is one other person that feels very free in calling me names and makes remarks about my posts with nothing more than his opinions… opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I do not want your opinions, there is a time and a place for opinions, but not when you are calling me a liar or saying fake news or any other BS you can come up with. If you disagree with something, show me why, references, I will look at them.
        You tell me something, like because you said it, that makes it true… maybe for you, but not for me.
        Example:
        Theodore Roosevelt didn’t believe in a limited Government.
        Woodrow Wilson he was a racist, and he despised The Constitution.
        Start giving me references or I won’t bother with you any longer. It is very simple to do. You had to look Roosevelt’s statement up right? Just copy the web address and paste it in your post.. simple! You did look it up didn’t you? That wasn’t from memory or in your opinion was it?
      - Skippy
        
        Typical mindless liberal drone babble. Only a pathetic brainless wonder will call facts opinions. It’s really hard copy a web poste when I didn’t get the information from a web poste, I got it from these things called books. I don’t believe you’ve even heard of them. You should spend more time in the library studying, you might actually learn something ya brainless wonder.
        This last poste of yours just proved you haven’t read any of the founding fathers writings. I’ll suggest one for you to check out of the library is The federalist papers. You probably won’t because you’re stupid and ideologically controlled. That’s why I call you a mindless liberal drone. As I said before since you don’t love this Country why don’t you move to one of the European countries. I know you’ll be happier there, because they have the type of government you like. Stop trying to change our Country into one of those European countries.
        So Long Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!
      - gotabgood
        
        BOOKS????????? You actually read? HA!
        And your choice of books would be found where. Confederate state library? Reagan Library? Ahhhhhh The Nixon Library? Maybe books by Bill O’Really? Oh! Maybe picture books that you would find in the lil’ bush library?
        Now I know why your a dumbass…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A
      - Skippy
        
        You’re pathetic pea brain doesn’t know what a book is let alone what a library is! I suggest you go search out what a library is, and go find one. So maybe you might just learn something. Go and check out two books they’re called The Federalist Papers, and The Antifederalist Papers. That’s a good place to start with learning about the founding of our Great Country. Now these are very old books, but there should be copies of them at your local library.
        So Long Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - gotabgood
        
        What I do know is how you read books!!!!
        
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0b42eaba423ef4ba2fbeed05c6528bd4fd26deb3eb6c725a4a5e80b16147a71e.jpg
      - Skippy
        
        Hey stupid are you going to check out those two books I told you about, are you going to continue being stupid and lazy?
        TTFN Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - Skippy
        
        Your silence is so revealing. You probably won’t go to the library will you ya pathetic brainless wonder.
      - Skippy
        
        You’re nothing but a typical mindless liberal drone. You asked for a reference of what I said about the founding fathers, I gave you two, but you’re to stupid and lazy to go look at it.
      - Skippy
        
        Your silence on this is very revealing.
    - Frank Gugino
      
      Vinny, My explanation of abortion and it’s horrors is “the condoning of killing a baby that is emerging from its mother’s VAGINA with a sharp instrument ,and CALLING IT CHOICE! my re naming Planned parenthood as MUDER INCORPERATED,AND ABORTION MDs, AS “HIRED KILLERS’ has shut up a few pro abortion advocates, once they parse the meanings of the words!!~
- Frank Gugino
  
  Vinny, I used to contribute to the “MARCH OF DIMES” until I learned, that since polio is now under control,they have changed their ‘MONEY GRUBBING APPEALS” to funding abortions!!
- Frank Gugino
  
  As a devils advocate ,I say,the taking of a life to save a life is condoned in law,. reversing the situation ,the allowing the death of a mother to save the life of a child,is by reason the same!!
  - VINNY BARONE
    
    Frank whos law is absolute government or GOD? I’ll go with the latter. Mom has lived, its her duty as a mother to do whatever it takes to ensure the innocent child’s life, even giving up her own, for she will be rewarded for sacrificing hers for her child.
    - Frank Gugino
      
      I share your beliefs and sentiments,and abhor the “cooked up right, by liberal unelected judges to kill children in the womb,or exiting it’s mother body”. I believe the millions of Trump voters, and more, will stand behind the repeal of that “made up” law,and once and for all ,stop the slaughter of innocent infants!!
Roger

ABORTION IS MURDER! Women do have a choice about their bodies, if you don’t want a baby, don’t get pregnant! Use protection and take every precaution and if you still get pregnant, have the baby and deal with it! If you still don’t want the baby put it up for adoption, it is better than murder! Think about this, if later in life you decide to have children, you may have to tell them that you murdered their older sister or older brother when they were just helpless, little babies!
- Roger
  
  Abortion is Stupid!
  Where do they find these idiots? In the first place the United States cannot control the world population and trying to control America’s population by aborting 1,000 babies and taking in 2,000 refugees won’t work! Women do have a choice about their bodies, if you don’t want a baby, don’t get pregnant! Use protection and take every precaution and if you still get pregnant, have the baby and deal with it! If you still don’t want the baby put it up for adoption, it is better than murder! Think about this, if later in life you decide to have children, you may have to tell them that you murdered their sister or brother when they were babies!
GrizzMann

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