Poll: Social Liberals Growing in Number

Posted On 23 May 2015

According to a new Gallup Poll, the edge socially conservative Americans have enjoyed for the last 16 years has finally been worn away. 31% of Americans now describe themselves as social liberals, matching exactly those who consider themselves social conservatives. That parity has not happened since 1999, when Gallup first started asking the question on an annual basis.

This isn’t a sudden change; Gallup reports that social liberals have been gaining on their conservative counterparts in a steady trend year after year. The only exception was during the first two years of Obama’s presidency. It’s not just that Democrats are more likely to describe themselves as socially liberal; more Republicans than ever now put themselves in the socially moderate category.

As always, we should be careful about reading too much into this. Words like “liberal” and “conservative” mean different things to different people. It is just as likely that the definitions have changed as it is that people have actually begun to shift to the left. Even allowing for that, the polls themselves are far from perfect. We’re still conducting landline surveys in an era where many Americans have shifted towards exclusive cell phone use. Who knows what kind of effect that has on the sampling.

Even taking the poll as gospel, though, it would be a mistake for Republicans to shy away from socially conservative messages. Times have changed, sure, but that doesn’t mean the answer is surrender. Republicans still have plenty of supporters who want to see them hold true to the kind of community-building conservative values that make the nation strong. That doesn’t necessarily mean preaching from the podium, but it does mean standing on principle even when the tide is against you.

The media likes to play this game every time an election comes around, telling voters who is viable and who is not. They’ll dig into statistics and they’ll talk to carefully-chosen people on the street to make their case for a particular candidate. They’ll marginalize others by saying things like Oh he would make a great vice-presidential candidate or he’s just in the race to keep [insert media favorite] from straying too far into moderate territory. This has a big effect on the populace because no one wants to “throw their vote away” when they head to the polls.

But there’s something to be said for voting with your conscience instead of trying to pick a winner. When a longshot candidate secures a surprising amount of support, it changes things. Are there times when this hurts the main candidate? Certainly. And that’s something to take into consideration in the general election. But when it comes to the primaries, conservatives owe it to themselves and the political process to vote for the man or woman they believe best represents the party.

Remember, even if the country is growing more “socially liberal,” it doesn’t mean the electorate is following suit. Obama wants to mandate voting, but that isn’t going to happen for a long time, if ever. In the meantime, participation means as much to the outcome as anything else. So if you want to see the Republican Party reflect the kind of values you hold, make sure you go out there and make your voice heard. The right leader can change minds as well as policy. If this poll means anything, it shows that we need a leader like that more than ever.

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I doubt that.
David in MA

If true then America is in decline to a socialist experience which will never end.
Carrie Barton

I have seen more people not liking the gov’t and wished they never voted for Obama. Democrats are supporting Ben Carson more and more each day. Liberal = Communism , Conservative = Freedom
- Bundle57
  
  The article above reads “the words liberal and conservative mean different things to different people”. I don’t care for your particular definition. To me being liberal means being more tolerant and accepting of the views of others. It also means to be a little lax with things like language, for example on TV. (To me, this is not a good thing, I would like to see more control over what is programmed). Being conservative is to control the social issues (same-sex marriage, a woman’s right to choose), not a good thing for millions of us), but also being conservative is being more responsible with the government’s spending. There are good and bad things on both sides.
  - defiant1
    
    Carrie’s definition of liberal is correct given extreme left ideology of current admin and background of these people and their exposure. Marxist, fascist, communist are very good descriptors of Obama admin and their left. Sorry but you really need to pay attention. “… To me being liberal means being more tolerant and accepting of the views of others…..” . While this idea is yours, it is not that of the current left–just look at this administration and media and its intolerance of anything they don’t support or accept. I am a strong conservative (social and fiscal) and have always been tolerant of others views yet continue to stand by my own standards. Being tolerant of others opinions does not mean I accept their opinion. Then “…Being conservative is to control the social issues (same-sex marriage, a woman’s right to choose), not a good thing for millions of us…” A social conservative stands for personal responsibility, not control. We may have a different opinion and your statement shows YOUR intolerance for conservative viewpoint! Unfortunately there has been much cultural rot over the years, deflating personal responsibility. Being conservative is a way of life and living every day, not a political ideology as is leftism.
    - Bundle57
      
      That is just your opinion of President Obama. He’s no more of a communist than you are. You feel that this administration is intolerant of things they don’t support or accept- the exact same thing can be said about the members of the Republican party who have fought and blocked everything that they don’t like or accept. I am NOT intolerant of the conservative viewpoint on the social issues, I just think that they are wrong, certainly for women’s rights. Case in point, all the conservative Supreme Ct. Justices would love to overturn Roe V Wade. After re-reading your post, I get the feeling that you’re not too awfully tolerant of Liberals.
      - Carrie Barton
        
        Here is another definition for you RASCISM = not agreeing with a liberal
      - Bundle57
        
        Wowza! You’re certainly showing your true colors. How sad for you.
      - Carrie Barton
        
        What are my true colors. Because I believe in our constitution. When ever a person does not agree with what a liberal says I am called a racist. Racism was changed by the liberals. I am very happy with believing I am not a victim, as liberals paint women out to be. I am able to take care of myself and do not need the gov’t to babysit me or my family. My parents taught me responsibility.
      - Robert Ronald Wynn
        
        Do you ever get tired of being stupid.This P O S president and his side kick Al(dumbass)Sharpton and Erick(ass kissing) Holder,and ignorant people like you have set racism back 50 years. I want to vote for Ben Carson,what the hell are you going to do when you can’t use the race card anymore,. Pathetic.
      - Derrell1970
        
        Rest assured they would make something up! Ben isn’t really black – blacks can’t believe in American values and stay black (I don’t get it either, but, well, we are talking relativism here right? What ever “truth works at the moment?)
      - Bundle57
        
        You people wanted the President to fail before you even knew what his agenda was. Remember the famous words of Mitch McConnell- we will do everything we can to make Obama a one term president………
      - defiant1
        
        Honey, I know my background and it does not include any communist mentors, on the other hand, pay attention to Obama’s mentors, Frank Marshall Davis, and all the communists around him for years and in his administration. So it is not just opinion–his background is fact, so is mine. As far as my intolerance for liberals, I am intolerant of the progressive left, socialists and communists because they are dangerous. Why would anyone in their right mind tolerate a communist or communism? I am liberal on some things, yet conservative on most things.
      - Derrell1970
        
        In other words you believe you own yourself. How very human of you – and my thanks for your stand on Rugged Individualism.
        Isn’t it interesting how “liberals” (communist in this country) scream about how tolerant they are? They act like human beings insisting they are right (oh how could they possibly be wrong – being so “enlightened” and sech) – based on “relative truth (truth is in the eyes of the beholder) and yet have the audacity to tell those who simply want to live as free individual (owners of themselves) that they are wrong….
        Smells like hypocrisy to me!
      - Derrell1970
        
        I am NOT tolerant of lies, deceit, and trickery – which is the proven tactics of Communists – by their own admission!
        There isn’t anything in between Americanist and Communists except ignorance. So, you are either one or the other. You either believe government needs to be big and “take care” of us (socialism, collectivism, communism – all the same thing) or you believe government needs to be small and out of the way, only protecting individual rights, and administering true justice according to the Law of the Land (the Constitution). Otherwise you are just one of the stupid voters.
        As far as I’ve observed the grassroots republicans are often Americanist while the republican leadership, are themselves, Trotsky Communists (as opposed to Democrats who are Lenin Communist).
        If all of this offends your sensibility perhaps you need to apply yourself to the other side of the equation and study the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and other great works proclaiming the self-evident truth of human nature which can be summed up thus – I OWN MYSELF!!!
        
        “Am I now your enemy because I tell you the Truth?”
      - Phyllis
        
        I was born during one of Roosevelt’s terms and have seen several administrations come and go on both sides of the aisle…and it never occured to me that I was not free,,until this present administration…and I am saying that as a woman..
      - Derrell1970
        
        I think that says a lot , “it never occured to me that I was not free,,”. Fabianism has been at work in this country for early 150 years. Communism, in what ever form it was called at any given point, has been at work in this country from the beginning. It is testimonial to how strong our core values have been that we have resisted thus far. But since the 1950s our traditional core values have been under attack – as promised by Nikki Khrushchev! Now we realize just how far things have gone…
        And FDR was a lying, deceitful, communist who help orchestra WWII and dragged us into it. He put upon us the yoke of socialism. I have the unalienable right to pick (discriminate) and hate whatever and whomever I wish. I try to make such judgments with a great deal of responsibility and an understanding that I am only free so long as we all respect the rights of EVERYONE. I HATE FDR to my core!
      - Phyllis
        
        I understand what you are saying and I agree about Roosevelt and what he did and you are right,. communism, called by many names over the last 200 years has tried to shove its way into the country..Jefferson wrote a little about it but called it something else…and like you, my Dad hated Roosevelt, and the only person I ever heard him say he hated…as for myself being free, I was not a typical teen, or typical young adult and at 74 I probably am not typical as a senior citizen…true freedom comes from within and usually involves some hardship as one fights the powers that be…I’m not wasting time in a rocking chair, I still work and am terribly outspoken…I try very hard not to hate anyone but am hard pressed on that where obama is concerned;
      - Bundle57
        
        Some day if you are unfortunate enough to loose your job and are no longer able to feed your family or keep up your mortgage payments you will choose to forego Unemployment Compensation? Or when you are of retirement age you will tell your so called Socialist, communist government “No Thanks, I don’t want your leftist Social Security money, I OWN MYSELF………
      - Derrell1970
        
        On! Oh my! I never thought of that…
        
        Wait. I already lost my job. All my “retirement” is gone. The government has spent the last 100 years devaluing the dollar to the point it is worth about … NOTHING! (It is AGAINST the Law Supreme of the Land for government to print Bills of Credit – Dollar Bills.) So all the Social Security I’ve been paying my entire life is gone thru inflation even if it was still there! (FDR Promised only those who paid into it could collect on it. But surprise, surprise – the gov. used it up for entitlement mongers, borrowed against, and generally broke their promises a long time ago!) My mortgage has been “taken care of” by the huge wealth transfer of 2008 when banks too big to fail were bailed out – with my tax dollars. So I don’t have that either. And with our nation approaching 20 Trillion dollars in debt – and that’s just the accounted money – whose going to bail THEM out?. But you think the government is going to be able to take better care of me than I will! OPEN YOUR EYES!!! All of the crap we have going on now is because of government – starting with the end of Laissez Faire in 1905, the Federal Reserve in 1913, and the orchestration of inlation ever SINCE!! All of this is blackmail on a grand scale! TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING I’VE built for myself and FORCE me to let Government take care of me! You – personally – everyone of you – have been RIPPED OFF in the greatest con game history has ever known! And most of you don’t have the brains to know it! I’d rather die in the gutter than allow myself to be a slave of this government.
        
        I’m sorry but you’re going to have to come up with a better argument for communism than that!
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        You do not know what a Communist is. As one who grew up in a home where both my parents were card-carrying communists of the CPUSA during the 1950’s-1980’s, I KNOW what a communist is.
        Obama is a communist intent on destroying America.
      - greyfox
        
        I tolerate them, I just don’t trust them.
      - Sue4477
        
        You have only to research obama and communism and you will find he has a long history of associating with other communists and belonging to communist groups. His mother also has a communist background, though less information is available on her.
      - David R
        
        Only God fearing people see what is happening. We have a whole generation that did not have Godly principles taught to them. They grew up with no prayer in schools; taught to love themselves not like their neighbors; Not understanding God or the bible and the end result is what we have. You try to reach them and it is like they are in a haze; I kind of self induced hypnosis; I am amazed how they curse you if you even reference God or say that you depend on him to meet your needs. A whole lost generation that does not know what sin is because it is not preached from the pulpit anymore. They are told you are fine the way you are; no need to scare you with the notion of being labeled a sinner… The Church has lost the salt and uses sugar to entice and deceive. Has God walked away or have we turned the corner to never look back?
      - Derrell1970
        
        Nothing at all wrong with what you say. This is the thing about Communism that fascinates me. Humans hate to feel guilty. Its part of our nature – we can’t stand to be wrong – we loathe being regarded as bad. And whether we are taught or not we have ingrained inour nature the Knowledge of Good and Evil. We know, like it or not!
        So Communism was devised to destroy that Knowledge of Good and Evil! Think about it – is this not true? If you do not own yourself you are not responsible for what you do. If you belong to the state you don’t have to feel guilty about starving people because, well, that’s the state’s problem. And it isn’t you who steals from the “rich” and gives to the entitlement mongers. It’s the state – you just get your gov’ment check and don’t think about it, You’re not responsible for morality, you’re not responsible for baby murder. Even if you are a coward, well, nobody knows anyway because you are not expected to excel! See how well that works? Good and evil are finally obsolete! Its so good to be a slave….
        
        Its why Communists hate Christians – even preferring the vile religion of HATE – Islam! . Christians destroy their illusion simply by existing!
        
        LOL… poor little desperate commie twits!
      - David R
        
        Only Ido not get a crazy check and pretend to be disabled I have my own money shall I send you a thousand dollars? Will that make you feel better?
      - Derrell1970
        
        Really?
        I mean, Really? Is that what you got out of my reply?
        Okay. Good bye…
      - David R
        
        okay sorry about that as you get older you tend to drift Darrell you were making a very good point
      - Sue4477
        
        You make a lot of good points. Good observation that Christians destroy Communists’ illusions by simply existing. It does explain their hate. I also think Communists need to get rid of moral values, thus religion must be eradicated.
      - Derrell1970
        
        Isn’t self-evident truth wonderful? All you have to do to find it is strip away all the fluffy stuff, the smoke and mirrors, the lies! And there it is at the lowest basic element. easy to understand and as obvious as the face in the looking glass!
        That is how I KNOW there is only Americanism or Communism….
      - Sue4477
        
        I mostly agree. You said: “That is how I KNOW there is only Americanism or Communism.” Are you saying you don’t recognize any other political systems but these 2? Or is this a simplification of only what we’re discussing?
      - Derrell1970
        
        I’m saying that the two Ideologies are the extremes from each other and that anything in between ultimately leads away from Americanism toward Communism. Our founders hated democracy because it was nothing but an interim step toward an Oligarchy – Which is what communism is. We’ve been taught all our lives that there is an extreme right and an extreme left being Fascism and Communism with our form of government Democracy (which is not our form of Government – we are a Constitutional Republic) but this is all part of the deception the communist have orchestrated. The Truth is National SOCIALISM – the Nazi government in government was only a shade different than Communism in Soviet Russia. The Communists owned everything – there was no private enterprise. The Nazis only controlled everything including private enterprise but the state did not own most of it.
        Once again when you strip away all the fluff and hype the truth becomes very plain. It can be alternatively described as this – it is man’s individual nature to be FREE. It is Government’s nature to control. Irresponsible man looses his freedom because he must be controlled – and more co0ntrolled as he becomes more irresponsible. Government – ALL government – craves control and once it gains control it must FORCED to give it up. In the Declaration of Independence it stated the only real purpose of government – to protect the rights of the individual. The author of the DoI knew all government was evil at its core but realized some government is necessary because you cannot be free in an Anarchy either. He also wrote that the people have the right and the DUTY to dissolve government when it became unbearable and form a new one in accordance to the peoples desire for Freedom.
        So there are really only two forms of government and only two sets of Ideology. And one need only study history to verify the truth in this; over thousands of years free people have always devolved into bondage. If you find a case where a people in slavery to government “devolved” into freedom (without some kind of “revolution”)please let me know.
      - Sue4477
        
        Okay, I see your thinking. I absolutely have never learned of a highly controlling government that lead peaceably to a gov’t. of freedom for the people. The power hungry will not willingly give up any power.
      - David R
        
        Why not reply with aa adult answer? You seem to put everybody in the same basket… You still need some money?
      - Derrell1970
        
        Everybody is in the same basket – that basket being you are either for freedom or you are against it. Sorry to mis-interpret your post. If some how I don’t measure up to you – I don’t care!
      - Sue4477
        
        I agree. And religious leaders in my church and probably others had predicted this outcome when we (US courts) first decided life was not sacred or protected by law anymore due to Roe v. Wade and abortifacients. We started down a slippery slope and have fallen far into the pit. People have gotten extremely self-centered and, recognizing no God, place themselves as their “highest power”, e.g. gods themselves. The me-me-me centered thinking. And the I-did-it-MY-way thinking.
        
        Sin is still preached in my church and I believe in some others, but I get your point. Some churches are “feel good” social places and some say anything goes. Since God never walks away, we know it’s people who reject HIM….some even think they are good people because they attend some service or have read the Bible yet they live in serious sin.
      - Robert Ronald Wynn
        
        Im never going to be tolerant of liberal.s for stealing our money to give to illegals I don’t give a damn about illegal’s,they don’t belong here. My son lost his insurance because of obamacare. he calls they are expensive for a family of 5 to get obamacare.He has a choice pay his house payment or get obamacare.Then he pay’s a fine because he dosen’t have the money for .obamacare,Pathetic.My granddaughter got sent home from school for looking something up in her bible during her study hall.She totally lost it on the liberal teacher and principle.She took all 3 kid’s out off the pathetic school and they never went back.She home schooled them.I remember in the fifty’s we put our hand on our heart and we proudly said the pledge of allegance, every day before school.Now liberal’s burn and destroy the flag,pathetic.
      - Bundle57
        
        Children in our public schools still put their hand over their hearts and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. I went to three different end of year programs at my granddaughters’ grammar school and we all stood up and recited it. And if you see someone desecrating our flag at any time, rest assured that it NOT a Liberal doing it.
      - Carrie Barton
        
        The Republicans are no better they are caving into the Democrats. There are hundreds of bills that are on the Senate floor that are not being voted on.
        
        Democrats think women as victims and WE ARE NOT! I do not need the gov’t to tell me what and what not to say. I am NOT of tolerant of transforming America. I am NOT tolerant of going against our constitution. I am NOT tolerant of illegals having more right then the American citizen I am NOT tolerant keeping blacks in poverty , I am NOT tolerant in the gov’t being the sugar daddy of single women, I am NOT tolerant of Obama in fueling the riots etc.
        
        LIBERTY MIND
        
        The liberal agenda gratifies various types of pathological dependency; augments primitive feelings of envy and inferiority; reinforces paranoid perceptions of victimization; implements manic delusions of grandeur; exploits government authority for power, domination and revenge; and satisfies infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation.
      - Bundle57
        
        Well Carrie, I’m certainly happy for you. You must live in a state that has no problem with a woman’s right to choose, allows the gay community the same rights as everybody else, absolutely no fracking anywhere near your water supply, no chopping off the tops of mountains to get coal, your state has low income housing for those who work but have low paying jobs, etc. You’re not tolerant of Obama fueling the riots. I must have missed that one on TV. I thought it was the poor, dumb jobless kids out there doing that. I must have been mistaken when I THOUGHT I saw the President several times castigating these hoodlums and telling them, that if they have to protest, do it peacefully. Geez. I must have missed it.
    - Derrell1970
      
      Consider this; in 1950s Soviet Union a Conservative was a Communist. In 1950s USA a conservative was an Americanist. In 1776 America a Conservative was a Tory. In 1950s Soviet Union a Liberal was a freedom loving individualist. In 1950s USA a Liberal was a socialist communist who wanted to fundamentally change America. In 1776 colonial America a Liberal was a Freedom Fighter!
      
      Conservative and Liberal are terms relative to time and place. They are not based on any particular set of principles. They are simply convenient labels that each describe the basic motivation at the moment. Generally, Liberals want change; if for no other reason than for Change itself! Conservatives want to preserve what is; they oppose any change. You can prove this simply by looking at history.
      
      Our founders, the Liberals of Colonial America, defined a set of principles in a “Declaration of Independence”; ideas that are our Nations First Principles. They include “all men are equal” and “bestowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights”. They oppose big government in favor of self government. These are the values most conservatives embrace today. We are Americanists! (Whether we are American citizens or not). We love freedom and justice. We believe in the ability of the Individual to succeed.
      
      On May 1st 1776 the Illuminati was formed with a different set of Principles (please note that they too were liberal of their day). It was and is their intent to tear down existing governments, do away with individualism, and make everyone (but themselves, of course) equally the property of the State! The Illuminati is the true birth of Communism.
      
      Conservative and Liberal are nothing more than opposed relative terms of the moment while and Americanist and Communist are two opposed sets of ideas that continue to endure regardless of time and place.
      
      I am an Americanist. I despise democracy as nothing more than a stepping stone toward Communism. President Obama and every socialist on the face of this planet is nothing more than a Communist intent on enslaving all of us as a world wide collective! As it seems we move more toward Socialism I become more a liberal because I want to change it all BACK to Americanism!
      - old grandma
        
        AND in 2006 – 2015, liberal means: Ruin our country and bring in all the illegals you can round up for their votes and give them free food, free housing, free schooling (if they want it) and free everything else. AND of course lets have a big government full of muslims that know nothing about anything but have been appointed by HIS MASJESTY Ovomit. and wife.
      - Derrell1970
        
        Yes, relative to this particular Time and place these are the changes “Liberals” are pursuing. But on the basis of Principles they are Communists intent on destroying Americanism.
      - AKLady
        
        You don’t have the slightest idea as to what communalism consists of.
      - Derrell1970
        
        Really? So everything Marx wrote isn’t what communism is? Is this something like a spiritual experience where you have to become a communist in order to actually understand it? Or MAYBE you must abandon all ability to think for yourself and just “feeeeeeel” the force?
        Or maybe this is just your wishful thinking that I don’t know what it is – you being the expert. What ever you hoped to accomplish with such a stupid and unfounded statement – it failed! But maybe it was just a frustrated attempt to feel better….
      - AKLady
        
        The word “communism” does not appear anywhere in the post you responded to.
        
        Maybe you should improve your reading comprehension?
        
        You might also want to invest in a dictionary, or at least put one in your Favorites.
      - Derrell1970
        
        I certainly never mentioned communalism therefore never invited any comment on that subject. You took that upon yourself and it is you who are out of line. But I’m not surprised nor “ungrateful” for your well crafted demonstrate of what I mean by lies, deceit, ands trickery.
        Try it again…
      - AKLady
        
        Superiority complex can be treated. Maybe you should find someone skilled in that area?
      - Derrell1970
        
        You should “know”….
      - Derrell1970
        
        Anyway. On with the semantics and how stealthy the lies of communism are. Communalism is nothing more that a renaming of Communism. Communalism is “Sustainable Development”, Agenda 21 – the collection of people into small communities without the ready ability to travel between communities. The reduction of the human population to a mere 500 million (throughout most of history the average population is estimated to have been around 2 billion). If you take the time to investigate Agenda 21 you will find plans for the United States where nearly all of the communities are located on the coasts and that most of the western United States is to be a NO HUMAN ZONE reserved for wild animals.
        
        Slipping the word communalism into a conversation discussing communism was clever – I’ll give you that. But in the end you weren’t saying anything different. Of course it’s easy to think that but that is the brilliance of it. This is how communist deceive us.
        
        Karl Marx lamented the destruction of the old Feudal System because it separated man from his Natural Superiors (the elite few who are endowed with the ability to take care of us and protect us dimwitted surfs). And if you look at communism, really, it is just a fancy repackaging of that old system. Communalism? When a term for an “evil” ideology becomes unpopular or tends to be resisted by the people communists simply relabeled the ideology with something more “friendly” – and how friendly can communalism sound?
        
        Lies Deceit and Trickery – it really is that simple. We as Americanists need to insist that the ideology of communism continue to be called communism so that people can recognize what we are really talking about. It may be something else to your mind, AKLady, but an investigation and a little critical thinking reveals it for what it is.
        
        At the turn of the 20th Century the communist mantra was equality for the laborer. That was the “glorious” purpose which has proven to be a lie! Today the communists are crying – “save the planet! AGW – it’s all man’s fault! Down with the Evil Carbon Mongers” (meaning all of us!)!
        
        Meanwhile the global Oligarchy continues to steal our wealth and our property – just like the “natural superiors” in Soviet Russian and Communist China.
        
        Think I’m wrong? Come up with the facts to prove it – not your emo reactions. Real Truth is self-evident and recognizing self-evident Truth, it will be impossible for you to use anything else but Real Truth to convince me that I’m wrong!
        
        Superior? That is your assumption – not mine. And thank you for the onus to share all of this with these good people…
      - AKLady
        
        Word salad.
      - Derrell1970
        
        Empty brained response!
      - Derrell1970
        
        There really isn’t a lot of depth to AKLady is there? She is only here for one purpose – to promote confusion and complexity to what ever she can – to oppose the truth. She has a lot of one liner posts and “clever” come-backs. We’ve all seen these kind of people before. Again, it is classic Communism – disguise an empty statement with a lot of emo logic. In an emo society it works well. But against people who know how to think critically? Not so much.
        
        I doubt very much you read posts you view as “word salad” (a term I’ve not encountered before but one which I recognize as the instant cliche’ communists are so fond of – almost sloganesque.
        
        Well dear AKLady – if you’ve read this far – rest assured it isn’t my purpose to convince you of anything. You started your discussion with me but clearly you are not up to the task. Your off-handed suggestions about what someone should do is only half a step above calling someone names. So to those who have ears let them hear. And you?
        
        shrug….
      - Derrell1970
        
        Besides. I couldn’t really hear what you were saying because there was a dog barking in the background of your post. it was saying…
        
        Marx, Marx, Marx…!
        
        Marx, Marx, Marx…!
        
        Marx, Marx, Marx…!
        
        Sorry. My mistake!
      - AKLady
        
        Community is not communism.
        
        You live in a community.
        
        Maybe you should invest in new glasses?
      - Derrell1970
        
        Ah, clever. I like it. The trickery! yum!
        
        communalism – belief in or practice of communal ownership, as of goods and property.
        
        Just a shade off of communism.
        
        I said there was nothing between Americanism and Communism. I own myself and I own my property. Anything less is Communism. My statements still stand.
      - Steve Thomas
        
        “Wife” should be in quotes in this reference.
      - Jarhead
        
        You forgot the FREE Health Care, FASTER SERVICE & BETTER than the VA can provide to those disabled veterans that defended this country in time of need.
      - AKLady
        
        National Health Care serves everyone — even veterans,
        
        How many separate government health plans are there currently?
        
        Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Indian, Public Health Service, county, city, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans …
      - AKLady
        
        Well, someone has done a fine job of brainwashing you.
        However, it is pure hate.
        
        Illegals cannot vote.
        
        Ignorance they say is bliss.
        
        Oh, and most people give up name calling about the second grade.
      - cal3301
        
        In the USA, you cannot equate Conservative to Communist or Conservatives to any other forms through the history of our country. Your reference on that note is wrong. The Ideology of Conservatism did not come about until the 1950’s.
        Historian Gregory Schneider identifies several constants in American conservatism: respect for tradition, support of republicanism, and a defense of “Western civilization from the challenges of modernist culture and totalitarian governments.”
        
        Historians, in recent decades argue that the conservative tradition has played a major role in American politics and culture since the American Revolution. However they
        have stressed that an organized conservative movement has played a key role in
        politics only since the 1950’s. The recent movement is based in the Republican Party, but during the era of segregation, before 1965, many Southern Democrats were
        conservatives, and they played a central role in the Conservative Coalition that largely controlled domestic legislation in Congress from 1937 to 1963. The Southern white conservatives moved from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party (GOP) at the presidential level in the 1960’s, and at the state and local level after 1990.
        
        The history of American conservatism has been marked by tensions and competing ideologies. Fiscal conservatives and libertarians favor small government, low taxes, limited regulation, and free enterprise. Social conservatives see traditional social values as threatened by secularism; they tend to support school prayer and the Second Amendment rights of private citizens to own firearms and to oppose abortion and oppose same-sex marriage. Neoconservatives want to expand American ideals throughout
        the world] Paleoconservatives advocate restrictions on immigration, non-interventionist foreign policy, and stand in opposition to multiculturalism. Nationwide most factions (except the libertarians) support a unilateral foreign policy, and a strong military. The conservative movement of the 1950’s attempted to bring together these divergent strands, stressing the need for unity to prevent the spread of “Godless Communism.”
        
        William F. Buckley Jr., in the first issue of his magazine National Review in 1955, explained the standards of his magazine and helped make explicit the beliefs of American conservatives: Among our convictions: It is the job of centralized government (in peacetime) to protect its citizens’ lives, liberty and property. All other activities of government tend to diminish freedom and hamper progress. The growth of government (the dominant social feature of this century) must be fought relentlessly. In this great social conflict of the era, we are, without reservations, on the libertarian side. The profound crisis of our era is, in essence, the conflict between the Social Engineers, who seek to adjust mankind to conform with scientific utopias, and the disciples of Truth, who defend the organic moral order. We believe that truth is neither arrived at nor illuminated
        by monitoring election results, binding though these are for other purposes, but by other means, including a study of human experience. On this point we are, without reservations, on the conservative side.
      - Derrell1970
        
        My observations are mine with no requirement on anyone’s part to agree – or disagree. That being said I would argue that, while you may be correct within the restrictions you’ve offered, that I am wrong, in the greater sense the contrast between Conservative and Liberal has always existed without being defines. AND that when the idea of Liberalism came along during the French Revolution, by default, so did Conservatism… much like day defines night by default.
        William F. Buckley was the first Neo Conservative which I regard as nothing more than a Trotsky Communist. (This goes to the intended or even unintended employment of lies, deceit and trickery.) Neo Conservatives want to spread what they call American Ideals but these ideals are hardly those of true Americanists; Americanism despises democracy for the reasons I’ve already stated. They also reject international entanglements and interventionism! – Neoconservatives, in some way – to whatever degree – embrace socialism, which is nothing more than “soft” Communism.
        In the end the terms still are no more than a person’s propensity to want change (liberalism) or resisting change (conservatism). What you really seem to be talking about is ideology based on principles. And I would argue that fundamentally there are only two basic set of principals – cardinally, Americanism and Communism. These are never relative to time and place but are always constant. To believe otherwise is to buy into the lies, deceit, and trickery.
        Good points, you’ve made, nonetheless.
      - savetheusa2
        
        I am conservative and want ONLY change that has a good purpose for the common good. What we have now is 3% of America making changes that serve no purpose except to make them feel better about themselves. They are useful idiots and the communists love it because they have been trying to do away with marriage and the family. These laws that enforce and celebrate perversion is just the ticket. They want us to be the ‘collective’, not individuals. It’s been happening for some time. The 60’s people stopped bombing and went into education and politics to make these changes. They are doing a good job, and we will be part of the New World Order under the North American Union. Ugh!!
      - AKLady
        
        Enforce perversion?
        Celebrate perversion?
        Someone else who needs a dictionary.
        A nation is a collective, so is a family … your point is what?
      - Robert Ronald Wynn
        
        The democratic party died with Obama. The new party is the socialist party.Im a democrat and I won.t vote for a socialist president. Socialist have only one plan tax the shit out of american hard workers’s then they can give it to the people who don’t want to work. The rest of the money the socialist steal,goes the Illegal’s. Free housing,free medical,free welfare and a large amount of food stamps.The socialist have american’s fooled.they think there helping people.All they want is the vote.
      - AKLady
        
        You mean like Denmark,. Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium …
        
        Place, which unlike America, do not allow people to die simply because they cannot afford medical care?
      - Sue4477
        
        I wish you could pass your logic on to more libs/dems/socialists/progressives! So true that obama has switched the democratic party to socialism…the Democratic Socialist Party. It’s been around since before obama but he has made the most drastic “fundamental changes” than other socialists/communists.
      - AKLady
        
        The terms are also relative to the bias held by the person making the judgment.
      - Derrell1970
        
        No, the terms have actual meanings as defined by how they have been manifest in the past!
        And there’s another one of your code words meant to degrade the messenger – bias! Please explain how the definitions of the terms I offered are biased?
        I’m always pleased when I tweak little fools like you. Y’all are always so clingy to the dogma you’ve been spoon-fed – heavens forbid you might be wrong!
        Oh, Yikes!
    - AKLady
      
      What extreme left might that be?
      Congress makes the laws.
      Congress spends the money.
      YOU elect Congress.
    - AKLady
      
      Same-sex marriage?
      A woman’s right to choose?
      Your entire post is about control — of other people.
      Personal responsibility = mind your own business & keep your own house clean.
      If you don’t approve, don’t do it.
      It is really that simple.
      - defiant1
        
        “…Your entire post is about control — of other people….” How so? As a conservative, I mind my own business and take care of my own and self. What others do is their business, don’t shove it down my throat and make it a social issue. And yes it is that simple.
      - AKLady
        
        LOL
        Change the control laws, you won’t have to put up with others saying “set my people free”.
      - defiant1
        
        “set my people free” please explain what that means…….
  - greyfox
    
    People, for the most part, aren’t liberal or conservative. For example I consider myself conservative but I am also issue oriented. I think. all but the die hard politically affiliated, are issue oriented. My views can be liberal on some issues and conservative on others. On balance I think it’s fair to say liberals are more socially oriented an conservatives are more financially oriented. No matter how big your heart, you need a wallet to match your heart, otherwise you are headed, eventually, for a coronary. Liberals have an elastic wallet, eventually it will snap.
    - John Williams
      
      You are somewhat correct but the wallet that liberals have is the want to spend the money from someone else’s wallet.
      - Bundle57
        
        That sound as though you think that liberals can pick and choose who will support the social programs. My taxes go for the same things as yours do.
      - greyfox
        
        “That sound as though you think that liberals can pick and choose who
        will support the social programs. My taxes go for the same things as
        yours do.”
        What?
      - John Williams
        
        Liberals can say, as you do here, that their taxes go to the same places and you are correct, the difference is you vote for the people who are the big spenders and have no problem leaving the next 3 or 4 generations with the debt, I do not.
      - Blogengeezer
        
        Margaret Thatcher said it well somewhat declaring “the liberals (socialists) eventually run out of other people’s money”. The graveyard spiral induced by the labor party in the UK was hopelessly locked in graveyard spiral until leaders realized the great flight by the internationally wealthy, away ‘From’ the UK.
        
        Taxes were finally reversed by fiscal logic in parlament (rare in today’s emotionally charged Progressive environment), making offshore investments earnings Non taxable.
        
        The following predictable influx of internationals, including the Russian Oligarchs, restored a semblance of (still dependency addicted) fiscal sustainability to the UK.
        
        London further prospered from the reversal, JK Rowling became the wealthiest woman in the UK overnight. Not anywhere near the financial Freedom of Dubai, but a mere token of fiscal responsibility emerges as light within the darkness of national socialism.
    - Blogengeezer
      
      With an 18 trillion national debt from liberal spending, that accumulates un-payable interest faster every day, the snap is going to be followed by a massive recoil of the type that devastates everything near it’s vicinity. No problem for liberals, they only demand more fiat to make up for what they can no longer afford. ‘Selling the farm’ is what liberals do best. Makes them feel solvent, in control… Unsustainable without great loss of Freedom, but solvent…… Temporarily.
      
      The winners happily invest in and supply whatever the liberals demand and earn profit from foolish spending practices. It keeps the world economy churning no matter what happens. War has always been the major reset throughout history. War preparedness is crucial in order to be the season finals winner. ‘The big game’…
      - Reality Check
        
        another low info voter vomits.
        
        the national debt was made by the CONSERVATIVES silly GOP voter.
        
        Ronny TRIPLED the debt to 2.7 T
        Bush one DOUBLED the debt yet again to 6T
        and the moron GW added another 76% to the national debt. to get to 11,5T
        
        and here you go saying the liberals created the debt.
        
        why lie?
        
        cause you low functioning?
        just ignorant?
        you’re a parrot?
        
        why?
      - Reality Check
        
        oh and lets remember that GW gave out a 1.7 T tax cut which was SUPPOSED to pay down the debt.
        AND gave a 1.4 T deficit budget to Obama to add to the national debt and Obama’s account.
    - Bundle57
      
      I am pretty much of the same view as you.
    - Steve Thomas
      
      I used to agree with you being “issue oriented”. Now, I feel it is more important to stop the liberals. So I do at every turn. If the liberals support something, I am against it.
      - greyfox
        
        If you mean Obamas liberals I couldn’t agree more.
      - Reality Check
        
        you think Obama liberals are somehow different than liberals before Obama?
        
        you ARE nutty.
      - greyfox
        
        Thank you or telling me what I think, you are a very kind clairvoyant. And it’s more amazing since we’ve never met
      - Reality Check
        
        without liberals your wife could not vote and you would be at work on Sunday.
        
        1. The 40-hour work week.
        2. Weekends
        3. Vacations
        4. Women’s Voting Rights
        5. The Civil Rights Act of 1964
        
        6. The right of people of all colors to use schools and facilities.
        7. Public schools.
        8. Child-labor laws.
        9. The right to unionize
        10. Health care benefits
        11. National Parks
        12. National Forests
        13. Interstate Highway System
        14. GI Bill
        15. Labor Laws/Worker’s Rights
        16. Marshall Plan
        17. FDA
        18. Direct election of Senators by the people.
        19. Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Workplace safety laws
        20. Social Security
        21. NASA
        22. The Office of Congressional Ethics. Created in 2008.
        23. The Internet
        24. National Weather Service
        25. Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws
        26. Rural Electrification/Tennessee Valley Authority
        27. Morrill Land Grant Act
        28. Public Universities
        29. Bank Deposit Insurance
        30. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
        31. Consumer Product Safety Commission
        32. Public Broadcasting/Educational Television
        33. Americans With Disabilities Act
        34. Family and Medical Leave Act
        35. Environmental Protection Agency
        36. Clean Air Act
        37. Clean Water Act
        38. USDA
        39. Public Libraries
        40. Transcontinental Railroad and the rail system in general
        41. Civilian Conservation Corps
        42. Panama Canal
        43. Hoover Dam
        44. The Federal Reserve
        45. Medicare
        46. The United States Military
        47. FBI
        48. CIA
        49. Local and state police departments
        50. Fire Departments
        51. Veterans Medical Care
        52. Food Stamps
        53. Federal Housing Administration
        54. Extending Voting Rights to 18 year olds
        55. Freedom of Speech
        56. Freedom of Religion/Separation of Church and State
        57. Right to Due Process
        58. Freedom of The Press
        59. Right to Organize and Protest
        60. Pell Grants and other financial aid to students
        61. Federal Aviation Administration/Airline safety regulations
        62. The 13th Amendment
        63. The 14th Amendment
        64. The 15th Amendment
        65. Unemployment benefits
        66. Women’s Health Services
        67. Smithsonian Institute
        68. Head Start
        69. Americorps
        70. Mine Safety And Health Administration (This has been weakened by conservatives, resulting in recent mining disasters.)
        71. Food Labeling
        72. WIC
        73. Peace Corps
        74. United Nations
        75. World Health Organization
        76. Nuclear Treaties
        77. Lincoln Tunnel
        78. Sulfur emissions cap and trade to eliminate acid rain
        79. Earned Income Tax Credit
        80. The banning of lead in consumer products
        81. National Institute of Health
        82. Garbage pickup/clean streets
        83. Banning of CFCs.
        84. Erie Canal
        85. Medicaid
        86. TARP
        87. Bail Out of the American Auto Industry
        88. Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
        89. Wildlife Protection
        90. End of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
        91. Established the basis for Universal Human Rights by writing the Declaration of Independence
        92. Miranda Rights
        93. Banning of torture
        94. The right to a proper defense in court
        95. An independent judiciary
        96. The right to vote
        97. Fair, open, and honest elections
        98. The right to bear arms (Do you really think extreme right wingers would allow anybody besides themselves to have firearms if in power?)
        99. Health care for children and pregnant women
        100. A stable and strong government established by a Constitution
        101. The founding of The United States of America
        102. The defeat of the Nazis and victory in World War II
        103. Paramedics
        104. The Brady Handgun Act
        105. The Glass-Steagall Act (It has since been repealed and we’ve been paying the price for it.)
        106. Oil industry regulations (The Gulf paid the price after conservatives tore many of these regulations down.)
        107. The Affordable Care Act which makes insurance companies more honest and fair.
        108. Woman’s Right to Choose
        109. Title IX
        110. Affirmative Action
        111. A National Currency
        112. National Science Foundation
        113. Weights and measures standards
        114. Vehicle Safety Standards
        115. NATO
        116. The income tax and power to tax in general, which have been used to pay for much of this list.
        117. 911 Emergency system
        118. Tsunami, hurricane, tornado, and earthquake warning systems
        119. Public Transportation
        120. The Freedom of Information Act
        121. Emancipation Proclamation, which ended slavery
        122. Antitrust legislation which prevents corporate monopolies (These laws have been savaged by conservatives, which is why corporations are getting huger and competition is disappearing leading to less jobs and high prices.)
        123. Water Treatment Centers and sewage systems
        124. The Meat Inspection Act
        125. The Pure Food And Drug Act
        126. The Bretton Woods system
        127. International Monetary Fund
        128. SEC, which regulates Wall Street. (Conservatives have weakened this regulatory body, resulting in the current recession.)
        129. National Endowment for the Arts
        130. Campaign finance laws (Conservatives have gutted these laws, leading to corporate takeovers of elections.)
        131. Federal Crop Insurance
        132. United States Housing Authority
        133. Soil Conservation
        134. School Lunch Act
        135. Mental Retardation Facilities and Community Mental Health Centers Construction Act
        136. Vaccination Assistance Act
        137. Over the course of nearly 50 years, liberals contributed greatly to the eventual end of the Cold War.
        138. The creation of counterinsurgency forces such as the Navy Seals and Green Berets.
        139. Voting Rights Act, which ended poll taxes, literacy tests, and other voter qualification tests.
        140. Civil Rights Act of 1968
        141. Job Corps
        142. Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965
        143. Teacher Corps
        144. National Endowment for the Humanities
        145. Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966
        146. National Trails System Act of 1968
        147. U.S. Postal Service
        148. Title X
      - Reality Check
        
        and don’t get all caught up in party names.
        liberals existed in both parties until recently.
      - Blogengeezer
        
        Excellent logic. RC is of course always downplaying fiscally responsible conservatism, referring to the Progressives as the world saviors, the communists that
        infiltrated the Democrat party for generations and gradually have flowed
        over into the RINOs of today are leaving their contaminated mark on history…again..
        
        Unproductive, historically unsustainable
        Perpetual Dependency Addiction has a magnetism of it’s own. Many,
        perhaps today’s voting majority exemplified by RC, demanded by the
        unproductive, welfare, ADC, Section Eight, EBT prolific inner core cities
        of the USA, depend entirely on the endless support ‘promised’ by
        national socialism, their forced wealth redistributive sustenance for
        life itself.
        
        To their way of thinking the Govt, not the Baobab, is ‘The Tree of Life’.
    - Reality Check
      
      your stereotyping is very “conservative”
      our wallet does not allow us to have hundreds of bases all over the world creating this empire for corporate America.
      doesn’t seem to concern cons at all.
      
      feeding kids, TOO COSTLY.
      
      YOU can be liberal?
      
      I have yet to see that side.
      wacky, crazy ignorant, dim, yes.
      never liberal.
      - greyfox
        
        Thank you for putting things in perspective for me. I must apologize for having such an anal view of things and I promise to improve as I age. Your words are so profound. I shall start on a program to feed all of the starving children in the world, one at a time. And my second goal is to eliminate
        homelessness, you have really made me see the light. One more thing, I have changedd my political affiliation from conservative to liberal, you are so much more caring than any one I know in the conservative wing, and I want to be as caring about things as you are. And just to show you how serious I am about the war on poverty. I am going to throw a hand grenade at the next poor person I see. LOL.
    - Blogengeezer
      
      Note the Daily Kos data based comments continuously made by Realitycheck when RC acknowledged by demanding links, that RC had no inkling of what CALPERS (formerly CALTRANS) consisted of?
      
      The fact that it is one of the major investment funds in the world, wholly dependent on conservative financial wisdom for it’s funding, seems to have mysteriously slipped from RC’s progressive dogma fed data base?
      
      RC’s selective history (rewritten) always avoids facts (endlessly twisting others) that are not conducive with the gushing Liberal viewpoint now programmed in the unionized collective US educational system.
      
      PAARC will be proud after the lockstep proletariat is properly marching to it’s Federal orders. Of course leaving the historically efficient, leadership generating private schools (many international) to create the truly productive, hard sciences sector of the next generation.
      
      The Community Reinvestment Act enforcement of 1999, being the additional catalyst downfall (leading directly to today’s house of cards fiscal turmoil endlessly blamed on W.
      
      W, who inherited, took the fall of the hybrid liberal lab experiment of wealth redistribution left by the Clinton Congress, that only added to the ‘Great Society, War on Poverty’ unsustainable financial dogma so favored by the liberal agenda, is consistently ignored by liberals.
      
      Convenient for those of RC’s programmed robotic logic, to forget that forced ‘Fairness and Equality’ is an historically unsustainable dream… A Progressive ‘pipe’ induced dream.
      - J_R_K
        
        “A Progressive ‘pipe’ induced dream.” … I would call it a pied piper induced dream. Yep… this is why the are so enamored with a pied piper like Barack Obama. He pipes the tunes they want to hear and they just kind of float merrily and insanely over the cliff into the sea of mental, moral, emotional and financial morass.
      - Blogengeezer
        
        So correct. The Pied Piper only used his melodic charm, collectively taking their children ‘after’ the people had not paid their agreed upon bill for his initial services. In today’s logic it is the collective voters getting exactly the leadership they voted for…. and Deserve.
  - John Williams
    
    You apparently are talking about some liberal somewhere that I have never met, the overwhelming majority are just fine with the views of others as long as it agrees with their own but if your views don’t agree then they get down right nasty. The tolerance applies only to those who agree with them.
    - Bundle57
      
      I know many Conservatives who are the same way with Liberals. Some are polite with their disagreements, some are not. One poster on a different thread called me a simpleton, liar and idiot because of a particular viewpoint. Being nasty doesn’t sway anyone’s opinion, it makes people feel more than ever that they are right.
      - defiant1
        
        Bundles, receiving nasty from another should not make anyone feel more than ever that they are right–that is arrogance. Receiving nasty from another simply means you were commenting with someone who is nasty and rude, that does not prove your point was right…….
      - Bundle57
        
        Thought about this, you may be right. Good point.
  - Margaretha Zelle
    
    The liberals would like to lie to themselves and say they are more tolerant but the reverse is true. They hate the T
    ea parties views because they are different from theirs. They are in reality, the intolerant hater.They actually have a group called “We hate the Tea Party” on Facebook, Which has 325,00 members!
  - Carrie Barton
    
    Then you will like this from NPR your favorite news outlet http://clashdaily.com/2015/05/ghettos-arent-an-accident-they-were-created-by-liberals/# This is from the NEW DEAL from the so called tolerant and accepting view you so highly hold ghettos-arent-an-accident-they-were-created-by-liberals/#
    - defiant1
      
      Yeah, the New Deal and Great Society under Johnson sure did serve to segregate, didn’t it.
      - Carrie Barton
        
        If the people who count on our gov’t to support them, they will not see this. If they do then that means they would have to accept responsibility for them selves
  - niko
    
    Hey Bundle looks like you fumble as anything but a liberal. If you think same sex marriage is good as you seem to be referring to from your reference above. A woman does not have the right to choose to kill a life that is living inside her, murder is murder .You my good man are nothing but a shill.
    - Reality Check
      
      says the religious nut.
      
      In my religion, it isn’t “alive” until it breaths God air.
      so too bad for you .
      
      I/we are practicing our religion.
      
      PS she just said in that post that she was female.
      
      Niko doesn’t read so well on top of your antiquated beliefs.
  - old grandma
    
    I think you have the 2 parties mixed up. Liberal means spending, and control of everyone through the BIG government. Conservative means trying to hold the wasteful spending down and control the welfare dept to those who really need it and not those who do NOT like to work. Conservative also means we don’t need a big government controlling our lives. If you think liberals are concerned about women’s right to choose, you are very sadly mistaken or you and I don’t read the same news.
    - Bundle57
      
      Those who don’t like to work shouldn’t receive our hard earned tax payer benefits. These loosers come from both sides of the tracks. They don’t deserve to be labeled as Liberal or Conservative. They probably have never registered to vote anyway. Regarding a womans’ right to choose- Roe V Wade- this gives women the right to choose. Four of the Supreme Court Justices have indicated that they want to revoke this. They are ALL conservative. Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, (well Thomas hasn’t actually said anything, he rarely does), and John Roberts. Anthony Kennedy (the swing) hasn’t committed as yet. I respectfully suggest that you go to on to Planned Parenthood website to really understand what women want and need. I am a grandmother also, and I have four granddaughters. I want them all to have the freedom to choose .
      - Reality Check
        
        Hear hear!
      - AKLady
        
        No one “who don’t like to work” gets your hard earned taxpayer benefits.
      - Ron Warren
        
        And that includes freedom to choose the be an executioner as was Pontius Pilate. —that ought to stir up the anger of a lot of liberals. Let’s watch the explosion and a bonfire following.
      - Bundle57
        
        Silly responses don’t really stir us up much.
      - Francisco Machado
        
        While Pilate,was relieved of his post as Procurator by Rome for being unnecessarily harsh, it is paradoxical that he attempted to absolve the most critical (historically) character coming before him, with whom he found no fault. Jesus presented no problem to Rome, but led a revolution dangerous to the Pharisees. Observably, this is still common practice in ideological wars in politics, although the means of stifling the opposition has changed. In the U.S., anyway – the Middle East still employs more traditional methods.
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        Which of your four granddaughters would you have been OK with to have been aborted the day before or 4 months before her birth ? ??
      - Bundle57
        
        None of them, naturally. Anyway, from what I understand, late term abortions are for very serious medical reasons. The majority of abortions are performed within a few days or weeks. A woman knows as soon as she realizes she’s pregnant whether or not she wants it to come to term.
    - Reality Check
      
      granny is out to lunch.
      
      are you not in favor of a ban on abortions?
      
      THAT is BIG Government at work silly ganny
      
      do you favor gay weddings being legal?
      you want a law against that too don’t you granny.
      
      THAT is BIG Government at work silly ganny
      
      THAT is big government controlling our lives.
      I think we have discovered that granny is a bit of a hypocrite.
      - AKLady
        
        How are you harmed by a woman’s choice to abort?
        How does that abortion control your life?
      - Reality Check
        
        I think you are confusing me with a con.
        re-read my post and link liberal.
      - Francisco Machado
        
        How about divorcing the federal government from all powers not Constitutionally distributed to branches of the federal government and returning these powers to the states? To take the strictures placed upon government by the Bill of Rights as law, that there are elements of the private sector and powers of the states that are inviolate? Reconsider Wickard v. Filburn, which gives the federal government power over activities entirely within the states and limit the Commerce Clause to the original intent, of keeping trade within the united States “regular” by denying states the right to tax or embargo commerce crossing state lines? Permit states to compete with one another for business and for population, as is happening now with business and population shifts from states with restrictive regulations and high taxes? Would that be too liberal – or would it be too conservative? These words have accumulated so much ideological baggage that they no longer have a universal definable meaning.
      - Carrie Barton
        
        So I guess you like working to support people that don’t work. You support killing a baby a few days before it is going to be born. You support people telling you what you can and can not do. You like being a victim. You agree that animals are more important then humans. You agree that we should be slaves to our gov’t by working harder and getting less from your pay check. You like people taking responsibility for you. Then you are the communist we know you are. Tell me why are you still here
      - Reality Check
        
        “So I guess you like working to support people that don’t work.”
        why are cons so friggin ignorant?
        
        liberals don’t like freeloaders any more than you silly cons do.
        How many people do you know that are scamming the system?
        
        “You support killing a baby a few days before it is going to be born”
        
        I support a persons FREEDOM and LIBERTY.
        you on the other hand support BIG Government to force women to observe YOUR silly religious beliefs.
        
        In my religion, it is not a baby until it breaths gods air.
        Humans breath air right?
        I don’t think zygotes or Fetus breath air, right?
        
        “You agree that animals are more important then humans.”
        
        you are beyond ignorant.
        
        WHAT are you alluding to, silly human.
        
        then you go “communist” like a typical low info con.
        
        communism
        
        n. noun
        
        1.A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership
        of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage
        of all members.
        
        2. A system of governmentin which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a
        higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
        
        3.The Marxist-Leninist doctrine advocating revolution to overthrow the
        capitalist system and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat that
        will eventually evolve into a perfectly egalitarian and communal
        society.
        
        if you think that is what is happening,
        
        you should be prohibited from voting due to low IQ.
      - defiant1
        
        “you should be prohibited from voting due to low IQ.” Out of the mouth of a liberal!
      - hangem’high
        
        Present day Baltimore is the byproduct Big government!
        Third world =Big government
        Global warming =Big government
        Entitled state= Big government
        Too Big to fail =Big government
        ISIS and affiliates =Big government
        Crushing and sucking =Big government
        Over regulation= Big government
        Disregarding the constitution =Big government
        Serfdom =Big government
        Big government can’t operate on freedom
        Socialism feeds big government
      - Reality Check
        
        I have known for some time you are a complete moron.
        WHY add to the evidence?
      - hangem’high
        
        I figured there was room for two of us, whatever happen to Shemp Moe?
    - AKLady
      
      How are you harmed by a woman’s choice to abort?
      
      How does that abortion control your life?
      - Ron Warren
        
        Abortion is the murder of a baby without benefit of Equal Justice Under Law. Yet it is NOT OK to execute a criminal duly convicted of a heinous crime against society and humanity. Modern “liberal” views.
      - AKLady
        
        A fetus is not a baby.
        A baby can exist outside of the womb.
      - Hawk!
        
        It changes the basic issue of freedom. I used to be a pro-abortionist but the law went too far and allowed abortions of convenience. That’s wrong, now millions upon millions of innocent babies have NO voice in their living of dying., and that’s not right.
      - AKLady
        
        A fetus is not a baby.
        When the cells can live outside the womb, it then becomes a baby.
      - hangem’high
        
        Then why by law is a murderer charged with two murderers if the woman is pregnant?
      - AKLady
        
        Those laws have focused on the harm done to a pregnant woman and the subsequent loss of her pregnancy, but not on the rights of the fetus.
      - hangem’high
        
        The woman is just one person how can that count as two, when the fetus stops existing with death as with an abortion. When abortion doctors and progressive liberals claim the fetus does not count as a living organism????
        if’n the fetus has no rights in life nor death, Why the double standererd?
      - AKLady
        
        There is no double standard, You simply have not read the law.
      - Hawk!
        
        I remember when our “baby” was conceived. My wife and I would have died protecting her. She still arrived 2.5 months early and went into the NICU for 6 weeks. I have known others whose baby born at such an early age and it did not live. I thank god every day for my now 13 year old. It’s the only natural child my wife ever had. Don’t worry, I used to hold your exact same beliefs. But, those beliefs melted when my daughter wrapped her weak little hands around my little finger. As a nation we need to protect life until death. To do otherwise just isn’t right. I used to feel and still do that the female ONLY knows the conditions under which the conception took place. Under conditions of rape, incest and the like I still think the right of choice still resides with the woman who knows about those conditions. But, it’s just gone too far. It’s now used as a form of birth control and that’s not right. There are plenty of other choices.
      - AKLady
        
        When you are ready to adopt, speak our. Until then, mind your own business. There are already too many unwanted children in this world.
      - Hawk!
        
        Well, to some folks that may be true. But I remember when our baby came to us 2.5 months early. We were so scared she would not live but thanks to some wonder and caring Drs and nurses in the NICU, and my wife who drove every single day 57 miles one way to take carte of her, today she’s a totally normal 13 year old. Would you deny that to anyone? 🙂
    - Ron Warren
      
      Thank you “old grandma.” You and I are of the old school when things were stable and a minority faction didn’t try to change the social structure to the desires of their small fraction. We got along fine and each paid his/her own way. Now we have a faction that wants the taxpayers (workers) to pay for their whims. It is imperative we cut down the size of the federal government, stop spending, stop illegal entry into the country, and stop reducing the size of the military because if we cannot protect our nation we might as well give it away. And some elected officials are essentially doing that now. The US Constitution is the Law of the Land. Because of feather nesting I’m in favor of term limits on holding elected offices. And maybe limit Supreme Court Justices to a ten year maximum service with no allowance for re-appointment.
    - jamesowens
      
      conservatives are the ones trying to control womens health- control vet benefits – control and limit education- all to help lower the corporate taxes and the 1% .
  - J_R_K
    
    “To me being liberal means being more tolerant and accepting of the views of others”
    
    The average “liberal” is as tolerant of people who will not agree with them upon demand as a rattlesnake is of a foot on it’s back.
    - greyfox
      
      A long as those other views aren’t conservative views. Liberals are tolerant of everything except conservatives.
      - J_R_K
        
        To a liberal, the only wrong thing in the world is people who believe some things are wrong.
      - Hawk!
        
        Yes, nothing is wrong to a liberal. That’s why we have ISIS threatening 5 states, illegal immigrants trampling our southern boarder, the Fed printing money endlessly and same sex marriage being front and center issues. I promise you, these things are not right!
      - AKLady
        
        The illegal immigrants you should be worried about are those holding the high paying jobs. The ones corporations are bringing in to fill technical job openings.
        
        What need to change is parents paying for their child to waste four years in college studying art history.
      - defiant1
        
        “The ones corporations are bringing in to fill technical job openings.” These people are not illegals, they are HIB visas and the techies are paying them squat. We have plenty of citizen graduates who can do these jobs, but the techies don’t want to pay for them!
      - AKLady
        
        So they would rather be unemployed, draw welfare and food stamps?
        
        OK, then right-wing “conservatives” are not actually against the public assistance taker.
      - defiant1
        
        your comment makes absolutely no sense………
      - AKLady
        
        Your words, not mine:
        “We have plenty of citizen graduates who can do these jobs, but the techies don’t want to pay for them!”
      - defiant1
        
        yes they are my words. Please explain yours: “So they would rather be unemployed, draw welfare and food stamps?OK, then right-wing “conservatives” are not actually against the public assistance taker.”
      - AKLady2015
        
        If there are jobs, and you do not apply or accept an offer …
      - defiant1
        
        Got it, although my point was the US graduates are not being hired by Silicon Valley, the HIB’s are being hired because Silicon Valley wants to pay cheap and H1B will take cheap. Since US grads are not getting these jobs, perhaps H1B numbers allowed in should be limited. We should be filling these jobs with US citizen grads.
      - Hawk!
        
        Completely agree AKLady. It’s the propensity for liberals to justify being bought by politicians that scares me. “Bail my company out and I’ll vote for you”!
      - Hawk!
        
        Pretty much agree with you except that kids getting those degrees these days aren’t getting jobs. If our youngsters would study and get educated in the sciences, mathematics and engineering to be in a position to fill those high paying jobs, I’d say deport all of the illegal foreigners. Schools these days and for a long time have been harbours of liberalism (that’s why they’re called Liberal Arts Colleges). So by not encouraging out kids to study for the high paying jobs and now offering to forgive their student loans, what kind of a message are we really sending them?
      - Reality Check
        
        maybe it’s your attitude?
      - greyfox
        
        Of course it’s my attitude, now why didn’t I think of that before? Liberals will always provide the answer for everything, Thanks so much.
      - Reality Check
        
        sure.
      - Ron Warren
        
        Exactly greyfox.
    - Reality Check
      
      as we know, YOU don’t know liberals.
      what liberals don’t like, is someone saying something and not being able to prove it.
      like you guys do dailyt.
      - J_R_K
        
        Yeah, well, nothing can be proven to any one who denies every thing you have to make that kind of crap up, being a liberal and all. As I’ve explained to you before, offering truth and facts to someone who respects neither is just to give them farther opportunity to demonstrate their tendentiousness and arrogance. What conservatives don’t like from liberals, like yourself, for example, is constant “Yadda, Yadda, BS, and Yadda” in a never ending attempt to bully folks around in the effort to make themselves feel validated in their own minds. No matter what is said to you, you/ll never hear it. You’ll just use it for an excuse to continue in your yadda, yadda, BS and yadda. That’s pretty much what the “liberal” mind set is all about.
        
        🙂
      - Sue4477
        
        Talking to a liberal who refuses to consider facts is like casting pearls to swine.
      - J_R_K
        
        Yep. The more truth you offer them, the more they just turn around and bite you.
      - AKLady
        
        Paranoia can be treated.
        Truth does not get you bit.
        Lies, on the other hand, will bring about decapitation.
      - J_R_K
        
        Well then, the Democrats are doomed. The first prerequisite for being a good democrat is to be a master of guilt transference.. you know, blaming the innocent and declaring the guilty righteous… which means masters of lying. I will give Obama credit for one thing: He makes Bill Clinton look honest.
      - ShamanBlair
        
        It’s becoming more & more difficult to figure out whether a given poster is a Leftist or a troll, or just both. Either way, you’re wasting pixels on AKLady, & risking carpal tunnel syndrome. Point? She’s not worth your excellent posts. <3
      - hangem’high
        
        It’s amazing Obama and Hilary still have their heads!
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        Yes ; I think their ilk was exactly what Jesus had in mind when
        he delivered that quote along with “… there are none so blind as THOSE who WILL NOT SEE..”
      - Sue4477
        
        So true! Then there is the Biblical reference to a time when people will be totally fooled by evil, as if their senses are rendered ineffective and they dreamily follow their Pied Piper…obama and others of his ilk. I can’t remember exactly where I found the passage.
      - AKLady
        
        Sus Scrofa Scrofa has been shown to be an intelligent mammal.
        Homo-sapien-sapien conservata not so much.
      - Sue4477
        
        And this is how much I care about your opinion:
      - Reality Check
        
        ya, no.
      - hangem’high
        
        “Do as I say, and not as I do!” is the only law liberals know!
      - J_R_K
        
        I had an older sister like that when I was a kid. Maybe that’s why I have such a tendency to give them a literary rabbit slapping whenever they present their rudeness, arrogance and ignorance as proof of their superiority.
      - AKLady
        
        Tendentiousness?
        His new vocabulary word for the week.
        How many times have you been able to fit it into a conversation?
      - J_R_K
        
        LOL…. ROFLMHO….. I don’t have to fit it into anything. In any discussion with self righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, condescending, holier, smarter and wiser than thou liberal lunatics and morons, it fits like blinders on your eyes, ear plugs in your ears, a glove on a hand and a shoe on a foot.
        
        Tell me, in real life, do you really get off on insulting people who just aren’t as inept with vocabulary as yourself? You poor, insecure little thing.
      - AKLady2015
        
        Is that the best you can do?
        Really?
        Surely, you could have found better synonyms.
        Which end came off does not matter, neither one seems to work very well.
      - defiant1
        
        what does AK stand for lady?
      - AKLady
        
        AK is the U.S. Postal abbreviations for Alaska.
        Where have you been for the past 50 or so years?
      - defiant1
        
        I have been right here for 73 years, guess you have been in Alaska. Why the nasty, arrogant attitude for a simple question?
      - AKLady
        
        Senility. Excuses, excuses, excuses…
      - defiant1
        
        so, senile because I ask what AK means in your screen name… I am sorry it is so difficult to have a conversation with you, your cute little sarcasm is actually rather rude……
      - AKLady2015
        
        As it is intended to be.
      - defiant1
        
        Obviously…….you know sarcasm can be humorous in conversation or it can end a conversation………I prefer the humorous …………best to you AKlady2015..
      - defiant1
        
        “Tendentiousness?” I do not see that word in J_R_K’s comment………….your character is showing through your rudeness and attitude Miss AK…..
      - AKLady
        
        Those with eyes that cannot see. Maybe you should try reading it again.
      - defiant1
        
        I suppose I am one of those with eyes that cannot see–I did read it again and you are indeed correct….. thanks for arrogantly reminding I missed “tendentiousness” because I cannot see…… Is it just you or living in rugged AK that brings out the attitude?
      - AKLady
        
        Nasty? May I suggest a look in the mirror?
      - J_R_K
        
        Uh… who is “We”? You a touch schizophrenic are you? Or maybe you’re just suffering from a “royalty complex”? Somehow, I’m not surprised.
      - Reality Check
        
        No, I was speaking for myself and other members on the forum.
        It’s obvious to everyone you are clueless about liberals.
        
        you just repeat the same tired labels that all the other silly cons parrot.
        they have no clue either.
        you’re cons for god sake.
      - J_R_K
        
        Yadda, yadda, never ending BS and yadda.
        
        Now you think you can just cloth yourself in the authority of “There’s a consensus here, OTHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME!!!” and some how make yourself more valid than a cow fart in the wind.
        
        Well, I hope you’re convinced. I’m certainly not.
        
        Typical liberal. As predictable as gravity.
        
        Tell me, as a liberal, is it a difficult struggle to remain outside of reality, or is it genetic like homosexuality… something you just don’t have any choice over?
        
        “It’s obvious to everyone you are clueless about liberals.” It would be interesting if we could take a vote, to see how many think I am clueless about liberals and how many think you’re clueless about reality.
        
        You keep coming at me, trying to insult me, trying to get my goat, and you don’t even have the brains to know that you’re just an impotent little Pee Wee Herman kind of guy shadow boxing in your own self imposed intellectual vacuum.
        
        LOL
      - Reality Check
        
        I smack you down with LESS words.
      - J_R_K
        
        If you say so, Pee Wee.
      - AKLady
        
        He did.
        So did I.
      - J_R_K
        
        You wouldn’t happen to be Mrs. Pee Wee, would you?
      - AKLady
        
        Many people agree with him.
        
        In fact, as you have recently been forced to accept, the majority of Americans agree with him.
        
        Two wars, thousands of Americans killed for no god reason, the Conservatives blew their chance to grab the brass right.
        
        Your lengthy diatribe was worthless. Simply a hate rant.
      - J_R_K
        
        Oh, I know some folks agree with him. There’s yadda, yadda, BS and yadda all over the internet these days. :o)
        
        The majority of Americans do not agree with him. Liberals just love to make false claims like that. But, it’s BS and the majority of Americans know it.
        
        Why is it that you hateful liberals always accuse every one else of being hateful?makes you feel good, don’t it? LOL
        
        Well, in my book, you’re just another ignorant, self righteous, sanctimonious, hateful, arrogant little punk suffering from delusions of personal self worth.
        
        Was that short enough for you?
      - AKLady
        
        We the People elected him not once, but twice.
      - J_R_K
        
        No. We the people got robbed by voter fraud, twice. Unless of course you agree with Gruber that the majority of Americans are stupid. Those who did vote for him only did so because he’s a great pied piper, piping the tunes idiot children love to hear. The man is a fraud, every thing about him is a fraud.
      - AKLady
        
        Voter fraud?
        
        “We the People” do not elect a president. Never have.
        
        Never will unless a Constitutional Amendment takes place.
        
        The Electoral College elects the President.
        
        The EC is not required to follow the popular vote.
        
        You need to repeat Civics Class.
      - J_R_K
        
        First you said this: “We the People elected him not once, but twice.”
        
        Now you say this: “”We the People” do not elect a president. Never have.”
        
        Typical liberal, talking out of both sides of your mouth while telling other people they need an education.
        
        You need to quit smoking what ever it is you smoke. It appears to be seriously interfering with your attention span, you memory and your conversation. You don’t even know which side of a fence you’re on.
        
        LOL
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        As you’ve said ‘Yadda, Yadda, B.S., Yadda….; Libs. are so used to their own B.S., that they don’t even realize when the two halves of their sentence are contradictory to each other.
      - J_R_K
        
        Yep. I suspect that the problem of the average liberal is that half their brain is out running amok and the other half is out looking for it. They call this process “Getting in touch with their inner selves”. While they’re out running around and looking for their true feelings, they run into others who also have half their brain running amok and the other half out looking for it, and they just kind of get sucked into all kinds of things. I suspect that this is the true cause of homosexuality and explains why they cannot see it as a choice they make on their own. One thing all liberals seem to have in common, whether they are homosexual or not, is that they don’t know and cannot begin to fathom any difference between freedom and running amok, and if you try to tell them that there is a difference, they get immediately resentful and intolerant because if you’re right, that means they’re wrong and there is nothing human nature run amok hates worse than anything or any one implying that they might be mentally, emotionally and sexually deranged.
      - SoundMind
        
        …lol… love the word picture your ‘amok’ analogy inspired… rats and cockroaches running around and bumping into each other, scared of each other as much as of the light… the light of truth. Good job, JRK!
      - J_R_K
        
        Thank you. Thank you very much.
        
        Or, as that tech support guy in India would say ..
        
        “Ten Jew, Ten Jew Berry Muds.”
      - ShamanBlair
        
        It’s all that poison purple Kool Aid she’s been guzzling. It wipes out brain cells…. 😉
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        JRK, let’s not be too critical of misguided Libs. , cut them some slack, because they are addicted to low info
        voter(many people) support.
      - J_R_K
        
        What they are addicted to is intellectual laziness… I.E. “Stupidity”. That addiction, like all addictions, helps them to feel euphoric as it removes from them any need to be responsible to, honest with or accountable for anything, including themselves. And it also creates in them the mind set that others must be accountable to them because, after all, they live in an altered state of mind. They’re like the drunk who beats his wife and kids and then excuses it with “I was drunk” as if being drunk makes him the victim instead of a person responsible for his own actions.
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        Hey ! Hold on now! PeeWee Herman had many lucid moments. Reality Shiek has no prooven record of serious rational thought.
      - J_R_K
        
        Well… no, “Reality Shiek” doesn’t have any proof that he is capable of rational thought … but he has provided exponential proof that he doesn’t mind publicly exposing himself for what he is. In the interest of being polite, I euphemistically called him “Shadow boxer”.
      - AKLady
        
        I really take it further — right up to the Constitution they claim to be supporting.
      - Reality Check
        
        I try
      - AKLady
        
        We make a team. Thank you for being willing to stand up and be heard.
      - Reality Check
        
        I’m retired and this makes a great hobby.
        keeps the typing skills sharp, and these silly people keep one abreast of the current crazy trends.
        
        then do the homework, get the facts and try to illustrate to our confused brothers and sisters, that they are the peons in a grand Propaganda machine.
      - AKLady
        
        One can only try.
        I do this in my spare time.
        I also help people with denied workers’ compensation claims and denied public assistance.
        Retirement does not suit me. 😉
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        the blind leading the blind..
      - Ron Schmidt
        
        U talk about Clueless, while you are the epitemy of clueless
      - AKLady
        
        “We the People of the United States…”
      - J_R_K
        
        Here;s the whole thing ;
        
        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
        
        Liberals hate every thing the preamble states and every thing the Constitution protects. They think a more perfect union has something to do with homosexual marriage, establishing justice has something to do with assassination police officers, insuring domestic tranquility has something to do with stepping aside and letting looters destroy “only property”, providing for the common defense means disarming Americans, promoting the general welfare means bigger and better welfare benefits for all, securing the blessings of liberty means individual autonomy for all (that’s not freedom, it’s anarchy) and liberals sure as hell, while claiming that every thing the do is for the children, sure as hell don’t give a tinkers damn about our posterity.
        
        You keep telling me I need an education. I think what you need is to pull your head out of that damp, dark place that has your ears plugged up, your eyes blindered and your mouth spiting crap.
      - AKLady
        
        The whole is a sum of its parts.
        
        If you do not understand “We the People” the balance of the document is meaningless.
      - J_R_K
        
        I understand that to liberals and Democrats, “We the people” is a conglomeration of people who see themselves as victims and expressly denies, hates and regards as the enemy any one who fails to comply with Marxist, Communist philosophy which, here in American, they have named “Political Correctness” in order that they might pretend to be on the high ground of superiority at all times in all matters moral, political, social, intellectual and economic.
        
        Like themselves, a liberal Democrat’s concept of “We the people” is twisted, perverted and intolerant of any truths that may apply. I understand that the Democrat party’s concept of “We The People” is pretty much exactly the same as that of Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev, Ho Chi Min, Mao Tse Dong, Fidel Castro and that little twerpy looking guy in North Korea.
        
        I hate to break it to you, but twisting and perverting every thing under the sun to make it fit your own view might make you feel good, but in the end, it’s just going to lead you to an emptiness that nothing will fill.
        
        Those who fill themselves with themselves eventually run out of safe places within themselves to hide from themselves. The end result of a life lived like that is an emptiness that nothing will fill.
        
        But, you go ahead. Continue in your supercilious thinking processes. It’s really nothing to me.
      - AKLady
        
        Word salad.
      - J_R_K
        
        “Word Salad” … translation: it was way past your comprehensive capabilities. But then, I already knew that. I mean, after all, you ARE a liberal. :o)
      - AKLady
        
        Word salad, piled higher and deeper.
      - J_R_K
        
        Just trying to match that mountain of yadda, yadda, BS and yadda of yours.
      - AKLady
        
        If you have to ask, you should not be here arguing.
      - J_R_K
        
        Yadda, yadda, BS and yadda.
        
        I’m telling you, you really gotta quit smoking those weeds.
      - AKLady
        
        Take a Constitutional Law class. Get a legal dictionary. Heck any law course would help immensely.
      - J_R_K
        
        When I get my diploma, will I be able to talk out of both sides of my mouth, like you?
        
        As a typical liberal, you certainly are a supercilious person, aren’t you?
        
        Here, let me spare you the trouble of looking that big word up:
        
        su·per·cil·i·ous
        
        ˌso͞opərˈsilēəs/
        
        adjective
        
        behaving or looking as though one thinks one is superior to others.
        
        “a supercilious lady’s maid”
        
        synonyms:arrogant, haughty, conceited, disdainful, overbearing, pompous,condescending, superior, patronizing, imperious, proud, snobbish,snobby, smug, scornful, sneering; More
      - AKLady
        
        Read carefully.
        
        I am not impressed by your insults.
        
        The rest of America is not impressed.
        
        The world is not impressed.
        
        .As insults go, they are fairly boring and lacking in both intellect and/or comedy.
        
        You really should try harder. Maybe some new material.
      - J_R_K
        
        I’d say you are impressed enough with yourself that there just isn’t any room for being impressed by other sources. When your full up, your full up.
        
        FYI … I know you love to play the “rest of America” card in your effort to pretend you’re on the patriotic, moral and intellectual high ground, but frankly, I wasn’t addressing the rest of America. I was just responding to your individual yadda, yadda, BS and yadda.
        
        Uh …. is there some reason why you think you make a better impression on me than a cow fart in high wind?
      - AKLady
        
        Go do your homework.
      - J_R_K
        
        There you go again, telling me I need an education. The old “I’m smarter than you” card from the liberal playbook. LOL…. arrogance really does rule in your world, huh?
        
        You know, you are the one who started this, your first comment to me accusing me of a hateful diatribe while at the same time dumping your hatred on me. Now you can’t handle the discussion at all, huh? I sincerely hope that if you’ve learned nothing else, (I’m sure you haven’t) that you have at least learned to be more careful who you pick on.
        
        Ok, your turn, pretend you’re super-smart and insult me again. LOL
    - Ron Warren
      
      Nicely stated J_R_K. They want to dictate how private businesses are run without being on the Boards of the businesses. Recall: chicken sandwiches and bakeries.
  - Steve Thomas
    
    I used to believe in “live and let live”. Now, I live as though YOU live by the “golden rule”. I will treat you as you have done unto others. LGBT has steamrolled everyone in their path. Consequently, I say “phuck them” on EVERY issue they support. Blacks want to support KNOWN thugs/criminals like Mikey Brown and Treyvon, so I will not help in any of their complaints about police.
    - Reality Check
      
      “LGBT has steamrolled everyone in their path
      
      oh tell me steve, how have they steam rolled you.
    - Blogengeezer
      
      RC as a national socialist, demanding their form of forced ‘fairness and equality’, has apparently no knowledge of the overwhelmingly positive history of the Boy Scouts of America and it’s proven propensity for generating self reliant confident leaders… Before they became ‘Steamrolled’.
      - AKLady
        
        Exactly how have you been harmed?
        
        Exactly how has anyone been harmed?
        
        “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.”
      - J_R_K
        
        Liberty and justice require self restraint. But, being a liberal, you hate that concept, don’t you? You prefer to think that freedom and individual autonomy are the same thing. That kind of irresponsible, gutless, selfishness is destroying the country, and that harms us all. Even you. You’re just to ignorant to know it.
      - AKLady
        
        “WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.”
        
        Autonomy: independence or freedom, as of the will or one’s actions: the autonomy of the individual.
        
        I suggest use of a dictionary would help. Preferably a legal dictionary.
      - J_R_K
        
        Sure. How’s this:
        
        an·ar·chy
        
        ˈanərkē/
        
        noun
        
        a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
        
        “he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy”
        
        synonyms:lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder,chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil
        
        “conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy”
        
        absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
        
        But, being a good liberal, you will continue to deny that personal restraint, integrity, fidelity, honor and responsibility have any place in society if they interfere with your right to autonomous liberty.
        
        Freedom and individual autonomy are not and never have been the same thing. But, I guess trying to explain that to a liberal is like trying to explain to a fish that there really is life on dry land, and sometimes, it’s out to get him. The fish, not being capable of believing in anything higher, smarter, wiser, more intelligent or in any way better than than himself, won’t even try to listen.
      - AKLady
        
        word salad
      - J_R_K
        
        Another response to your yadda, yadda, BS and yadda that went right over your head, huh?
      - AKLady
        
        Such amazing intelligence. Put it all out there for the world to see.
      - J_R_K
        
        The world probably isn’t to interested. I was just hoping some of it would rub off on you. As a liberal, it’s a cinch you could some :o)
        
        Here is a bit of intelligent advice for you: If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. If you can’t handle having crap thrown back at you, stop throwing crap on people you don’t know. And then there is the first rule of holes: When you’re in one, stop digging.
    - Blogengeezer
      
      Steam Rollers. intricately engineered (already that goes against the grain of liberal arts aficianados, typically referred to as Liberals in spite of their propensity to be otherwise) powered by flaming fossil fuel (libs also cringe at that concept), super heating under compression boiling water molecules until they are forced into a state of expansion, thus driving a valved piston repeatedly through it’s cycles, geared to a steal drum either filled with water at a pound a pint or made of cast iron, were quite the impressive machine…. in their day.
      
      That was before the diesel powered modern units that flatten every little item of anything that extends ‘above’ the surface, creating a smooth flat environment with absolutely no variations whatsoever. In effect ‘forcibly’ removing all exceptional-ism while seeking forced total uniformity.
      
      Totalitarian forced fairness and equality… national socialism (NAtionalZI) by any definition..
      
      Yup …’Steam Rolled’ is a great definition, no matter how hard those seeking to use an increasingly militarized govt power to neutralize any chosen variations in the lives of any historically proven ‘successful’ socioeconomic system.. The key is ‘Successful’… historically successful….
    - SoundMind
      
      I understand, Steve, and feel likewise.
  - savetheusa2
    
    Tolerance is what liberal used to mean. It does not anymore. Too many death threats to those who have biblical values and just want to live in peace. Those on the left are more threatening and don’t want any other opinions except their own. They are more violent and more organized.
    - Reality Check
      
      “Too many death threats to those who have biblical values and just want to live in peace”
      are you pretending that the right wing wackos don’t issue death threats?
      
      have any liberals blown up any clinics?
      buildings in general?
      shot any doctors?
      blown up the Olympics?
      or how about a federal building?
      was he a liberal?
    - Bundle57
      
      I am not aware of any death threats against religious folks. Organized violence – a contradiction in terms.
  - Robert Ronald Wynn
    
    More control over whats programmed.That’s what the lib’s are doing. they want to shut up hard working Republican.s
  - Ron Schmidt
    
    “….liberal means being more tolerant and accepting of the views of others..” . What planet are you living on ? ??
    - Bundle57
      
      Get a dictionary and look the word “liberal” up. Mine says: adl.- free, generous, ample, abundant, not literal or strict, tolerant, broadminded, favoring reform or progress.
      Same dictionary- conservative- adj., tending to conserve, tending to preserve established institutions, opposed to change, moderate, cautious
  - Jimbo
    
    “Liberals” are the least tolerant people in the world. They just THINK they are tolerant. They only suffer people who think like them.
    - Bundle57
      
      Some of us are, some of us are not. Just the same as Conservatives. Some of you are civil and make sense and some of you are not civil and make no sense at all.
- AKLady
  
  Freedom has nothing, whatsoever to do with Communism.
  Conservativitism, however. comes with chains
  - Carrie Barton
    
    never said that I said liberalism = communism. Conservatism comes with what chains? Tell me what these chains are.
- Ron Warren
  
  Thank you for your post Carrie. Nice to know someone’s awake, alive and well and has head facing forward. Some of us have known what you stated for a long time. Others are slow to catch on and unfortunately after a lot of damage has been done. God help America to get out of the sewer.
- NotYour UsualPolitics
  
  “Democrats are supporting Ben Carson more and more each day.”
  Saying that stupid trash doesn’t make it so. Show ONE, just one poll or neutrally sourced questionnaire that supports that lie. You can’t because none exists. God how you so called “Moral Christians” love to lie and just flat out make up statements that are wholly untrue.
  Ben Carson won’t even make it to the debates, I guarantee it.
  - Carrie Barton
    
    Really so you are calling me a liar. I have been on this draft movement for 19 months. We are the second group to go down in history for getting an average person to run. The 1st was when they did it with Barry Goldwater.
    http://www.youngcons.com/ben-carson-finishes-in-first-place-in-srlc-straw-poll-in-oklahoma-city/ takes first place and this is just one of the many.
    
    Ben Carson Is Raking in More Money Than Hillary Clinton …
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/…/ben-carson-is-raking-in-mo...
    
    I am the one that has been answering emails and talking to people. I have answered over 10,000 e-mails I am having to work with Democrats that voted for Obama. To go back to where you were asking about polls. The Democrats that are sick of their party have re registered as Independents.
    
    The recent rise in political independence has come at the expense of both parties, but more among Democrats than among Republicans. Over the last six years, Democratic identification has fallen from 36% — the highest in the last 25 years — to 30%. Meanwhile, Republican identification is down from 28% in 2008 to 26% last year.
    
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx
    
    I understand you have a mental illness that is why I went easy on you.
    
    BOO YA!!!
    carrie@runbenrun
BH

Don’t vote for the person that best represents the party, vote for the person that best represents conservative values. The party as defined by the “leaders” is straying (maybe even running), away from conservative values.
Remmie

I do not trust any polls. They can be too easily manipulated to show the results desired and then used to influence public opinion. Just another manipulation tool is what they have become.
Peatro Giorgio

Yea it is possible that the younger folks trend left as wellany illegals an legal immigrants though time has a funny way of dragging the intelligent ones far to the right.
John Q. Public

As a life long republican it is not so much as if we should sit away from our message it is that our message has changed prior to 1980 we were the party of building America protecting American job , environment and the right to vote . but as of 1980 our position has changed and has become one of neo fascism with trying to control the American people’s lives down to the smallest of things just like the 1930’s Nazi party did in Germany.this is were the problem Lys. We need to go back to our roots and build America for the masses the 1950’s in America was the most profitable in our history and the top 10% paid 80% on ever done over 5,000 . in today’s world that would be 100k .with no deductions ,exceptions or susubsadies. If you can’t live on 100k a year then you are to dumb to get any more then that. America was once a great country but starting under Reagan it took a nose drive and my party the republican party has been on a race to the bottom and has done everything it could to destroy this country and the people in it . if we want to regain our country we must get rid of all our gop leader and congressmen and restart by putting in office people who are republicans and not neo fascists as we have today.
- defiant1
  
  John the only neo-fascism we have is in the form of Obama the dictator. Granted the GOP establishment, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, et al are not conservatives, they are liberals and do not represent the GOP for they are interested in power and lining their pockets, just like Obama. I don’t understand your disdain for Reagan for he brought the country back from the damage done by Carter. The only good conservatives we have in Congress are the Tea Party conservatives, Cruz, Lee, et Gohmert, et al and these people are constantly being punished by Boehner & Co because they want to protect the country and Constitution and Boehner has a different agenda. The republican party needs a strong redo and we need more Tea Party reps for they are the true conservatives!
  - Jerry Branson
    
    defiant1,
    For a long time I opposed the Tea Party for its negative attitude. They seemed more about being negative to almost anything. But that is now changing to a more positive agenda, which is a good thing. I am a moderate Republican who does not like taking dangerous steps to reduce government size but recognizes the danger of losing freedoms if action is not taken. But some conservative positions are as damaging to our Constitutional freedoms as the liberal agenda. I favor a return to Constitutional freedom values. But that is not a true agenda for either party.
- Bundle57
  
  Unfortunately, these seems to be a shortage of those good people you would like to see. Jon Huntsman was one, and he ran for the GOP presidential nomination a few years ago, but the powers that be got rid of him asap. They are happily promoting the radical side, Cruz, Walker, Jindal et al. Heaven help us.
  - defiant1
    
    There is nothing radical about Cruz, Walker and/or Jindal. They are constitutional conservatives/Tea Party repubs. Any of them could help get this country back on track. They are a threat to the establishment GOP (Boehner, McConnell, McCain et al) because they go against the liberal GOP establishment and they don’t make “deals”. The purpose of GOP and Democrat is to achieve balance in govt, but radical democrats want a one-party system and the GOP establishment is too busy lining their pockets to do their job. They have both lost site of the Constitution and respect for it and the country.
draidt

Typical Gallup poll skewed on the lib side.
- Shauna
  
  Your so right…..no pun intended…;) On a serious note tho, I’m really growing tired of the media and it’s bull crap lies and the right is getting just as bad as the left…..All designed to stir things up and get people upset. The Conservative movement is growing…trust in that, thanks to the trash in the white house.
MILES E DRAKE

This represents the result of relentless hammering by the media, the popular culture and the lumpenprofessoriat against the religious and social traditions of the country that have been the source of American exceptionalism and our strongest bulwark against government tyranny. The three previous attempts at communist revolution in the United States failed because of this bulwark – the attempted radicalization of the labor movement after World War I, communist infiltration during our alliance with Stalin during World War II and the most nearly successful insurrection, the alliance of black militants, the counterculture and the antiwar movement during the Vietnam conflict. When Richard Nixon finally stopped the American version of the French ’68 Rebellion, America’s Marxists went to ground and took over the academy, the media and the mass culture, and have since used it to disconnect us from our historical grounding. Now that we are almost like Belgium and Botswana, they can return to their Leninist agenda. We have one last chance to stop this fourth Marxist wave, in what may be the last free election we will have in 2016. If we cannot tear Obammunism out by its roots then, world government, a one-party system and administrative bureaucratic tyranny will have to be fought by other means.
- greyfox
  
  Good post, very insightful. Unfortunately most people can’t see it, As long as the liberals have control of the education system, things can only get worse.
- aschark
  
  Miles, you’re absolutely correct in your assessment in the growth of Communism/Marxism/Socialism in this Country. Up until 2012, Massachusetts had 10 US Representatives. Six of the 10 were REGISTERED DSA’s – Democratic Socialists of America. They are listed as Democrats, but should be listed as Socialists, but that way, their election would be in peril. Here’s a quote from an old Russian Secretary, aka, Prime Minister, Nikita Khrushchev: “We will take America without firing a shot…….We will BURY YOU! We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.” (From an address to Western Ambassadors at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.).
  That was said almost 60 years ago, and it looks like he was right. You’re also correct in your evaluation of the 2016 election: if a Democrat wins, more Obammunism, and if a GOP wins, his/her work is cut out for him/her to restore this Country to what it was, and should be. To start off, Term Limits should be installed, just like the Presidents.
Raymond J Ambrozaitis

Not only are they growing in numbers they are out to get you. Lock you up in FEMA camps, take away your children, take half your money and riot all over your ass!!LOLOLOLOL
- Jarhead
  
  Only half…..you are a Crack Head for sure.
  - Raymond J Ambrozaitis
    
    And how long have you been clean and sober?
ProfessorPBZ

More than 40% of well educated, highly intelligent Democrats have dropped Obama and are becoming more aware of Jesus. Most Catholics want nothing to do with him, and heroic Dems like Sen. E. Warren have torn his lies open to the public and many Conservatives/Tea Party members are joining her question about the horrific TPP.
Shauna

and my anger is growing in numbers too! This article is bullshit…The only thing I see is the continued dumbassery of the less informed.
Los Robles

All one needs to do is look at young kids behaviors, ask teachers about that. Look at the degredation of morals. Lying, the foundation of mistrust is becoming more acceptable. The foundation of religion is continuously under fire. Forefathers left Europe to avoid religious persecution and now it’s here. Laws and those hired to protect them are disrespect more than any other time in our history. More entitlements are provided than anytime in history and expected or turmoil errupts. The Constitution is continually challenged with foundational freedoms in jeopardy. World leaders have zero respect for us. A movement of tyranny is at hand led by charlatans and ignorance. No place in the world at any time in this world has 100% socialism worked. Ever. Liberals will point to greed as the impetus to move toward the cliff. News flash. Greed has been the underlining for every Socialist regime. Only individualism of freedom anf free enterprise works. If you do not believe that, then you haven’t studied it. Our nation is sick with charlatan liberal politicians and people to lazy and filled with hate to study it.
- Alice House
  
  It’s difficult to teach morals when most all of our leaders are corrupt. Whether in private business, politics or even our military we are greeted weekly of some lying, cheating scandal, and the charges reduced or dropped altogether. Every problem American has faced was created by a politician. No problems in our country were created by the American taxpayer. Government/politicians would do well to remember this, for it freed us from England!
- Blogengeezer
  
  Definitely. The old party line was Democrat, representation for the blue collar workers that basically realized the importance of a business that was profitable being their means to prosperity.
  No more the case.
  
  My entire family was blue collar including educators that
  demanded excellence in all of which they participated. They would have been judged by their peers, fired if not productive. Many of their students thus brought Honeywell to a Zenith in flight systems.
  
  Today’s
  unionized lifestyle educators in the higher halls of learning, have not experienced the
  reality of the world. Going from students, to assistants and evolving
  into tenured professors, they have not really ‘produced’ anything of
  marketable value. Have no realization of profit based economics.
  
  Much of the liberal programmed mentality have
  no concept of hard sciences and truly sustainable business practices or
  technical devices. To proclaim wind turbines and solar cells as
  ‘Sustainable’ and somehow Green, as the Progressive, emotionally charged
  agenda demands, brings the case to point.
  
  They are not using the
  overall magnitude of what it takes, reasonable laws, reasonable taxes, reasonable restrictions, regulations, everything it demands from availability of raw materials, labor and the key element, reasonably priced Energy to bring ‘product’ to market.
  
  When it takes five wind turbines in today’s politically agenda driven economics, to produce enough energy to manufacture One wind turbine, the description is anything but sustainable nor even the endlessly proclaimed Green.
  
  The Law of Diminishing Returns exemplified. Obviously Not taught in public schools today.
cal3301

I believe this poll is being pushed by the Socialist and the brainwashing of younger Americans, as the last one I saw showed— Based on over twenty gallop polls and USA Today/Gallup surveys, Conservatives remain the largest ideological group in the United States of America at over 40%, Moderates come in at 35%, and Liberals are last at 21%.When broken down into groups, among Republicans, over 70% are conservative and 23% claim to be moderate. The Democrat group are tied at roughly 38% for moderate and Liberal, with 23% conservative. In the Independents- the largest group in the country, over 35% claim to be conservative over 21% claiming to be Liberal as the moderate group keeps declining to now under 40%.
Broken into age groups 18-29: 28% are conservative, 30-49: 40% are conservative, 50-64: 44% are conservative, 65 and over: 49% are conservative.
- AKLady
  
  You guys have been pushing the Socialist line for decades.
  
  That dog simply does not hunt anymore.
  - cal3301
    
    Excuse me, would Progressive Liberal Left, suit you better. No matter how you say it, it is still a form of Communistic Socialism, in an attempt to control the masses to one ideology. Look up the definitions of all the words and they come out pretty equal. That dog madam, has formed a pack and is on the prowl.
Linda Lee

Don’t trust the polls. they are usually subjective and can be skewed.
- AKLady
  
  Most of the time they are simply dead wrong.
Dan

Gallop is a left leaning firm. The only thing that counts for the coming election is an honorable candidate that does not lack integrity. Let us see who shall succeed.
- J_R_K
  
  According to the news media, we owed our votes and the presidency to Obama (twice) because he’s black (well, sort of) and we all know how badly we have treated them. We owed (and probably still do) our votes and the presidency to Hillary Clinton because she’s a woman (well, sort of) and we all know how badly we have treated them. Going back, we owed our votes and the presidency to John McCain because he was a Vietnam vet, and we all know how badly we have treated them.
  
  Wouldn’t it be great if we could actually have at least one candidate run for president because he or she actually, really does, not just for the sake of political hype, believe the he or she owes something to US. I think we have a lot of conservative candidates this time around who actually do believe that. I also think that lack of integrity, honesty, fidelity towards the American people, voter fraud, foreign money, leftist demagoguing, dead people voting, illegal invaders voting, branches of the federal government being used as weapons against conservatives, Christians and the United States Constitution and gutlessness on the part of establishment Republicans may see Hillary Clinton coronated as the head Commie Pontificate of the known universe.
  
  I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
  - Dan
    
    That is what the presidency should ultimately come down to, the BEST person for the job, to keep our nation strong. Not if they are white or black or male or female. Just give us a REAL leader that knows what they are doing to BETTER our country!
    - Reality Check
      
      you should run a real candidate.
      - Dan
        
        I am not a democrat!
      - Reality Check
        
        DUH
        
        you should support publicly funded elections, as opposed to this current system of
        “Who can spend the most money”
      - Dan
        
        My sentiments exactly. These schmucks are bought and paid for before they even sit in their new seats!
    - AKLady
      
      The last one was murdered. His name was Kennedy.
      - Dan
        
        When he talked of dismantling the fed and the irs, was the moment that he sealed his fate. They ones behind the scenes were not going to let him spoil their plans of theft and deception.
  - Reality Check
    
    “According to the news media, we owed our votes and the presidency to Obama (twice) because he’s black ”
    
    ok, now prove that.
    
    you and those flapping gums
    
    good thing you are preaching to the choir.
    
    reality is not necessary here.
    
    “Wouldn’t it be great if we could actually have at least one candidate run for president because he or she actually, really does, not just for the sake of political hype, believe the he or she owes something to US”
    
    you must be a Bernie supporter.
    - J_R_K
      
      More yadda, yadda, BS and yadda. Everybody in the country who can recognize truth knows that what I said is true. Folks like yourself don’t matter. Nobody gives a tinkers dam what dishonest, self-righteous, sanctimonious punks think.
      
      Go ahead… prove that isn’t you. LOL
- AKLady
  
  Politician and honorable do not go together.
  - Dan
    
    It should, that is our mistake to allow these traitors in office.
    - AKLady
      
      Don’t devalue the word “traitor”. There are none currently in office, well unless you count Darrell Issa. He is the new Joseph McCarthy.
GovernmentTramplesRights

As one who grew up in a home in Hollywood where both my parents were card-carrying
communists of the CPUSA during the 1950’s-1980’s, I KNOW what a
communist is.
Obama is a communist intent on destroying America and our freedoms, and replacing them with a dictatorial-regulatory government that watches, measures, and reacts to our every move outside whatever they proscribe. They deceive the ignorant public by twisting the meaning of words. He speaks in meaningless, undefined words like “Hope,” “Change,” “Progress.” Their favorite tactic is to ridicule anyone who disagrees with them, and call them a “conspiracy theorist.”

It is always all about force vs. freedom. It always has been (whether communist or facsist) and always will be.
Obama is a communist, treasonous to our Constitution and all true Americans.
- Reality Check
  
  see what I said about ignorant and ill informed = cons?
  
  Why is Obama waiting so long to turn us?
  he is running out of time.
  maybe the Fema camps are not ready yet.
  
  Why was Mitch McConnell so intent on redoing the patriot act?
  is he a liberal too?
- Reality Check
  
  if he was out to destroy America, why fix the economy?
  - GovernmentTramplesRights
    
    He HAS been destroying the economy! Overzealous regulation strangling our ability to hire workers; the highest tax rate on business in the world taking all incentive out to risk starting a business; doubling the debt from the founding of America to 2006 in six short years. Doesn’t anyone take Econ 101 or start a business anymore? Or, is everyone part of the 99% at the Wall Street sit-in of the ignorants?
    - Reality Check
      
      you might start with getting a brain and some facts correct.
      
      The US is the only country NOT on the edge of a recession and even FoX news thinks you are a low info voter
      
      “U.S. Economy ‘Lone Bright Spot,’ as Global Outlook Getting ‘Worse’”
      
      http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/01/14/us-economy-lone-bright-spot-as-global-outlook-getting-worse/
      
      are you going to now tell me that Fox news is lying?
      
      then there is the national debt.
      
      lets review what the low functioning con said:
      
      “doubling the debt from the founding of America to 2006 in six short years”
      
      first off , Obama was elected in 2009 (how can anyone trust a person who does not know when Obama was elected and be off by THREE YEARS)
      
      sucky math skills.
      
      then there is the debt.
      
      when Obama took office it was at 11.5 Trillion and is now approaching 18 T.
      
      now even with you proven sucky math skills, can you tell me if 18 is double 11.5?
      
      ” Doesn’t anyone take Econ 101 or start a business anymore?”
      
      with your math skill and knowledge? we know it wan’t you.
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        The National debt was at 8.5T when Obama took office and it is now approaching 18T.
        
        Fox news are journalists.
        
        We are on the verge of a banking and/or currency collapse.
        
        The World Bank, IMF, and Fed are all trying to stave off the inevitable.
        
        I don’t need to quote the news or anyone else to know what’s going on. It’s my business to know.
      - Reality Check
        
        so far you have proven to be fact less.
        
        why start now.
        
        “Citing the U.S. Treasury “debt to the penny” Web site, Spicer noted that the gross national debt, which includes bonds held by Social Security and the other government trust funds, stood at $10.627 trillion on Jan. 20
        
        and reached $17.994 trillion on Dec. 3 — an increase of about 70 percent. In terms of debt held by the public, the number has doubled from $6.307 trillion to $12.932 trillion in the same period.”
        
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obama-have-the-worst-record-on-any-president-on-the-national-debt/
        
        I await your link, low info voter.
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        Await. You’re talking about the irrelevant.
      - Reality Check
        
        “it’s my business to know.”
        
        ya, that is way I proved you’re a moron.
        
        YOU need re-education.
        Off to the Fema camps with you.
      - AKLady
        
        Where do you get these insane numbers?
        
        The last time the national debt was $8.5 trillion was 2006.
        
        The first spending under the Obama Administration did not begin until October 1, 2009.
        
        If it is your business “to know” you are failing, miserably.
    - AKLady
      
      Exactly what regulations are you talking about?
      
      By the way, Congress makes the laws in America.
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        No. Per the Constitution, Congress is SUPPOSED to make the laws in America, but we have many, thousands of illegal laws.
        1. The vast majority of which are made by unelected bureaucrats that oversee agencies in the form of rules and regulations, and that have the force of law, except that the innocent public cannot fight them in court until they have exhausted all their means fighting them in the stacked-deck of the agency’s bureaucratic process, and only then does the public get their constitutional right to “due process” as proscribed in the 4th and 5th Amendments.
        2. We have a dictator president who makes his own laws by fiat, by decree, by Presidential Order, while he and his minions ignore the laws on the books.
        3. Finally, laws are made by Activist Judges who are not content to interpret the laws according to the Constitution, but who make rulings with the force of law, as they become “precedent” that may be relied upon by other judges in our “common law” system of jurisprudence. The 3 means above enact 10X the number of laws that Congress ever enacts.
      - AKLady
        
        A lengthy diatribe, however, you have failed to answer the questions I asked.
        I am not some child who can be distracted.
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        What, I pray thee, intelligent question(s) are you referring to? That deserve an answer? What regulations? If you don’t know of the thousands of regs promulgated by the liberal government that we as business owners must live with, then you will not understand why we would rather put our jobs offshore than create jobs here. And that is a pathetic shame, brought on by the government, not because we want to, but because we are forced to in order to stay in business and maintain what jobs we can create here.
      - AKLady
        
        Exactly what regulations are you talking about?
        You have yet to identify a single regulation.
        
        I understand why jobs are off shore — more profit.
        It is a pathetic shame — brought about by greed.
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        AKLady, if you truly don’t know anything about regulations and how they stifle business and job growth, and if you are that pathetically cynical about business owners, than obviously you have never laid awake a single night trying to figure how to meet payroll, never mortgaged your home to start a business, never created another job for another person, and never owned a single business. I am proud to say I have created thousands of jobs for fellow Americans, and it hasn’t been easy, and so I am judged by you. So, with that settled, I have a question for you: are you a socialist or a commie?
      - GovernmentTramplesRights
        
        I am not angry. You are an “economic child,” one of the millions that are given the right to vote and don’t know enough to exercise that right with sense because the NEA and liberal colleges have stripped our schools of educating their students. And I am just wasting my time on this site.
- AKLady
  
  Paranoia can be treated.
  
  By the way, Christ and the Apostles recommended communalism.
  
  Maybe you should figure out the difference between community and communism?
  - GovernmentTramplesRights
    
    I know the difference: Communalism and communism are opposites. Communism is Satan’s counterfeit to God’s plan. Communism is based on force and dictatorship and takes away people’s agency. What the Apostles taught was voluntary, and did not infringe on our agency, which is God’s 2nd greatest gift to us, next only to life itself. Satan creates a counterfeit for every part of God’s Plan for us, that looks very near similar until you look at the roots of it: force vs. agency. This is the fundamental difference between all the laws proposed by the liberals and the position taken by true conservatives. Government control and force, versus freedom and agency.
StupidAmericanVoter

When a person says “Im a Democrat” I see Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam, Acorn, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, communists, Rev. Wright, socialists, Iran, Cuba, Resco, New Black Panther Party, Riots, people buning the flag, no morals…George Soros…President Obama, jails full of thugs they call hero’s. Yes this all the Democats in a nut shell. Crime in a nutshell.
- Reality Check
  
  conservatives are easier to spot.
  
  low IQ and white, usually older with a subservient female.
  they say stupid things all the time and are the most ill informed.
  - AKLady
    
    U.S. Census data reflects that the “Red” sates have the highest levels of school dropouts.
- AKLady
  
  Maybe you should see these people:
  
  Andrew Jackson (1829–1837)
  Martin Van Buren (1837–1841)
  James K. Polk (1845–1849)
  Franklin Pierce (1853–1857)
  James Buchanan (1857–1861)
  Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)[n 2]
  Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897)
  Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921)
  Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945)
  Harry S. Truman (1945–1953)
  John F. Kennedy (1961–1963)
  Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969)
  Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)
  Bill Clinton (1993–2001)
  Barack H. Obama (2009–)
  
  Maybe you should get an education?
  - StupidAmericanVoter
    
    Your party has turned into a bunch of freaks. Kennedy would be a Republica today. Your party are race baters like sharton As far as a education you say I should get, well most of your party lacks the will to get a education. I stand by the list I made and they hate Amercan. Have a good day.
    - Reality Check
      
      ya but you’re a moron, what good is your opinion?
      
      Ronny Reagan would be a dem in today’s GOP, fool.
      
      “well most of your party lacks the will to get a education.”
      
      funny that you silly cons always refer to universities and colleges as hotbeds of liberalism.
      and that your kids are being taught liberalism is school.
      that would make all the teachers and administration liberal as well as educated.
      
      and then there are the scientists.
      we all know conservative don’t believe in science, so they must all be educated liberals.
      
      then there are all the educated firemen and police, who are union members and so liberals.
      
      sounds like anyone with a decent education is a liberal.
      - StupidAmericanVoter
        
        you seem to be from the 85 IQ group. and have a good day. your kind must always use words like “moron” riot, burn, loot because you must use force but will backfire…will remember your hate. firemen and police are not at the top of your list. your kind has decaired war on police. I stand with the blue
      - Reality Check
        
        even a moron should be able to tell i never use the word “riot”, “burn” or “loot”
        
        i see you skipped over the “uneducated liberals” part.
        
        “your kind has decaired war on police.”
        
        see, there you go proving how low functioning you are. AGAIN
        
        do yourself a favor and get off Right Wing Propaganda.
        make you even more of a Stupid American Voter.
      - AKLady
        
        “I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowlege among the people. no other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness.” Thomas Jefferson
      - AKLady
        
        On which IQ scale. On the one’s most referenced, 85 is average.
        Einstein was 160.
      - AKLady
        
        Actually, the credit needs to go to Nancy Reagan.
        
        Ronald’s mind was gone to Alzheimer’s long before he finished his first term.
      - Reality Check
        
        ya, that is the scary part.
        and the cons worship him.
    - AKLady
      
      Which “sharton”?
      
      The lawyer profiled by the Boston Globe back in December?
      
      Maybe the tennis player?
    - AKLady
      
      People respect fact. I suggest you review the U.S. Census data. The states which identify as Republican have the highest school dropout percentages.
MR.RANDY DOUGLAS MILLER

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MR.RANDY DOUGLAS MILLER

AS MITT ROMNEY SAID THAT CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE? AND THAT MONEY IS FREE SPEECH WHICH ISN’T IN OUR FIRST AMENDMENT?
mdrod1

Gallup polls and polls in general are BS!!! I have NEVER put ANY stock in them! Unless you go out and poll EVERY SINGLE PERSON INDIVIDUALLY, then that is how you will get factual data!!! Pollsters just want you to believe their results because it saves you the time of trying to find out for yourself! Depending on their political position, they could manipulate a poll any way they want! Most people are stupid and lazy enough to believe this s**t! Stick to your own beliefs and values and ignore these polls that try to influence you to their position! These pollsters know that people are generally like sheep and want to be with the supposed majority. DON’T BE FOOLED OR INFLUENCED BY THEM! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!!
- Reality Check
  
  “THINK FOR YOURSELF”
  
  that’s funny.
  a con who thinks for himself.
  
  you are the most lock step group since the Nazi’s.
  - mdrod1
    
    What’s even MORE funny, is that cons like YOURSELF can’t think for themselves and willfully support and help Nazi types currently in power! WHY? YOU can’t think for yourself! Your group is so pathetic and self absorbed that they stab each other in the back every chance they get! YOU need to get educated! Instead of being brainwashed by your liberal masters, learn what thinking for yourself means, instead of making an ignorant fool of yourself here. Then again, if your a liberal, you’re too stupid to figure ANYTHING out on your own! You’ll need all the help you can get! Ask Obola or the Demorats, they’ll help guide you like the mindless victim you are! HA!HA! LOSER!
    - Reality Check
      
      well , since I am the resident liberal here in wacky land, you might want to redress the speech.
      
      so in the above crazy speech, you call me a con, then a liberal.
      you bi polar?
      or just retarded?
      
      cause I already know you plain stupid, but is there a reason?
      - mdrod1
        
        The question is, are YOU bi-polar, retarded or just so so damn stupid that you come back for more abuse?! First off, if you are going to communicate PROPERLY, don’t try and be slick with shortened terms like CON for Conservative because most people will think you mean CON as short for convict. You’re not capable of slick writing and I already know that you’re not educated because you cannot write proper sentences. Your last retarded sentence should have “your” not “you” in it. Are you dumb ass ghetto or just a failed product of liberal miseducation?! That is why I called you both con and liberal because YOU obviously cannot communicate your message and misinterpretation is bound to happen. Secondly, YOU are the wacky libtard in common sense land. So now that you have been educated about your own uneducated stupidity in your erroneous response to my very insightful retort to you, there is definitely a reason why YOU are plain stupid. You’re just a dumbass lib loser who cannot think for himself and is in WAY over his mindless head here. Quit living in denial and accept the truth. I’m trying to save you from yourself. Think of it as a public service or charity. Either way, go and get educated!
      - Reality Check
        
        “don’t try and be slick with shortened terms like CON for Conservative because most people will think you mean CON as short for convict”
        
        silly con, everyone knows what con means.
      - mdrod1
        
        Silly lib, not everyone foolishly assumes things like you.
      - AKLady
        
        The term you are looking for is “ex-con”, i.e. ExConvict.
      - mdrod1
        
        I am not looking for the word “ex-con”. The knucklehead above used the term “con” and that is still a common reference to convict in short. If we go further, we could also reference conman or con artist as well. It all boils down to the fact that if you are trying to communicate, be specific. Do not assume everyone is on the same page because misinterpretation is bound to happen.
      - Reality Check
        
        are your feelings hurt?
        
        maybe you are a convict and that’s why it stings.
      - mdrod1
        
        You need to capitalize “A” and “M” stupid! I know for a fact that YOUR feelings are hurt! Why else would a lib loser keep coming back for more abuse? Oh, I see. You have absolutely NO life and like to troll around conservative websites in order to get some desperate attention. Judging by your imbecilic comments further in this commentary page, you must love showing off how totally clueless, misinformed and hopeless you are to the opposing side. Of course, when you’re desperate for attention like you are, you have NO shame! Sad. A loser lib starving for attention who knows nothing and cannot write properly. Sounds like most libtards to me. I know I hit a nerve and THAT is why it STINGS! That’s what is called a “reality check”! HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - AKLady
        
        Tiresome.
        Unnecessary verbiage.
        In short, word salad.
      - BRwoman
        
        Mdrod1 has to use quite a few words so that Reality Check will understand.
      - AKLady
        
        He simply has not developed the ability to present a cognizant argument in a concise manner. If he stays in school and works hard, he may be able to put his thoughts on paper in a logical manner.
      - BRwoman
        
        He’s coherent and speaks the truth. If being a grammar Nazi is all you can add to the conversation, that says more about you than the actual discussion.
      - Reality Check
        
        so not a convict, just a low functioning con.
      - mdrod1
        
        Wow. You ARE retarded. No wonder you repeat the same crap over and over. Don’t be afraid of multi syllabic words. Go grab a dictionary if you know what that is. Capital “S”. HeHe.
      - AKLady
        
        Retard must be your vocabulary word for the week.
        When is you spelling test? Friday.
        Suggest you study more, you might get a high school diploma by thw time your brain fully develops at age 26
      - BRwoman
        
        Are you still trolling? Get a real job!
      - Reality Check
        
        you still an ignorant con?
        
        Who needs a job?
        I’m retired with a nice union pension, silly con.
      - BRwoman
        
        Having members like you in a union explains why unions are failing so.
      - AKLady
        
        More childish insults.
        Go back to watching the cartoons
      - BRwoman
        
        You are the reason siblings should reproduce.
      - AKLady
        
        Insult, after insult.
        School must be out for the day.
      - BRwoman
        
        You obviously ate lead paint as a child.
      - AKLady
        
        Go do your homework.
      - BRwoman
        
        Did you think of that all by yourself? Good for you!
      - BRwoman
        
        Reality check is a lib loser that trolls these sites for a George Soros paycheck because he is too dumb to work at McDonalds.
      - AKLady
        
        Insults are simply childish.
        You want on top of the argument, grow up, act like an adult. Provide a point, by point factual argument.
      - BRwoman
        
        Says the ‘lady’ who can do nothing but insult someone’s grammar.
      - AKLady
        
        What grammar?
      - BRwoman
        
        Well, I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong, wouldn’t we?
      - mdrod1
        
        You are absolutely right! Thank you.
      - AKLady
        
        I agree, be specific.
        Convicts are in prison.
        Ex-convicts are out of prison.
        Con-artist is a hyphenated word/
        Conman is a complete word.
      - mdrod1
        
        Thank you.
      - AKLady
        
        LOL
        You missed the point, entirely.
      - Reality Check
        
        I did not know this site was about spelling and grammar.
        you have a lot of work to do on your fellow cons.
        they are none too consistent with grammar or spelling.
        
        when cons go after spelling and grammar, it’s like a badge of honor to a liberal.
      - mdrod1
        
        That’s a SAD made up excuse for being uneducated and you just proved our arguement about libtards. It’s also hilarious because YOU ALONE feel it’s a badge of honor. No other libtard I have shamed for being stupid and uneducated EVER was proud of that. You ARE pretty stupid and obviously don’t speak for other libtards. However, YOU WOULD believe it is a badge of honor since your kind of pride is the type of thing most normal people would find pathetic. Lastly, this site is not about spelling and grammar. When I communicate with people, I can tell a lot by how they represent themselves through the written english language. Since we are not face to face, I must interpret the person responding to me. With that said, someone who writes to me incorrectly and does not care, tells me a lot. It tells me that you are a waste of time to even acknowledge. But………….It is amusing for me to destroy you each time you come back for more. HAHA! It’s like fishing. I put out the bait and reel you in! HAHAHAHAHA! As far as your weak distraction about my fellow cons, I am not reading OR talking about THEIR grammar or spelling prowess. I am here on my own and am responding to YOU! No one else. The reason being, YOU made a critical comment to my earlier post. So now you are being dealt with. Now you know how it works. Isn’t learning fun?! Later, I’ll teach you how to use the toilet. I’m sure you’ll find it useful! Hey, it’s better to learn truly useful skills than to be stupid and brainwashed by Obola and the demorat liberals! Oh! That’s right! They WANT you that way!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - AKLady
        
        You seem so very blissful.
      - mdrod1
        
        Extremely.
      - AKLady
        
        They say ignorance is bliss. Apparently, you did not understand the remark.
      - mdrod1
        
        It wasn’t worthy of my time for acknowledgement OR interpretation.
      - AKLady
        
        Superiority complex is treatable.
        Stupidity is probably not.
        Ignorance, on the other hand, simply needs education.
      - mdrod1
        
        Then you should go get treatment. Work on getting more education and live with what malady you must live with. There is also a cure for being self righteous, feeling superior and sticking your nose in other people’s business. The cure? Stay out of it and mind your own business. This cure can be traced back to a proper upbringing. Look into it. You’ll find it very useful. DO NOT REPLY. Your responses will be immediately deleted since my conversation with retard has NOTHING to do with you. This loser can’t do much, but he’s a big boy. He can try and defend himself without your meddling in our exchange. Good riddance! Oh. Last thing. You did not hyphenate ex-con in your first message to me! So, practice what you preach knucklehead!
      - AKLady
        
        Points proven.
        Thank you.
      - Reality Check
        
        your too stupid to shame anyone.
        
        low functioning humans post:
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - mdrod1
        
        AAAWWWWW! Can’t deal with the truth, huh? I SHAME ALL LIB LOSERS LIKE YOURSELF! CONSTANTLY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Low functioning humans post?! How stupidly retarded! Your too stupid to come up with even a half ass decent retort! LOSER!!!!!
  - AKLady
    
    The Nazi are about far right of center that you can get.
    
    Present tense is used intentionally.
Reality Check

AND the BAD news IS.

“more Republicans than ever now put themselves in the socially moderate category.”

and here you guys are trying to find the most wacky guy possible to run.
- AKLady
  
  Rubio would be a good choice. We already know he lies about serious issues, like his parents were refugees from Castro’s government.
  - Reality Check
    
    you should come by more often. It’s good to find another sane voice in here.
Robert Ronald Wynn

Just what we need more liberal stupidity.
- AKLady
  
  Right, those college educated people can’t possibly know anything.
adrianvance

The Republicans have really been remiss in fighting liberalism with truth to counter their lies. They never deliver on their promises: Witness education. Not only has the cost gone up 1000%, but graduates cannot get a jog or discharge their debt in bankruptcy.

Google “Two Minute Conservative,” and you will be applauded when you speak truth at your next dinner party, barbecue or church picnic.
Aubrey Yancey

Socialism is growing as American ignorance grows through its educational system.
- AKLady
  
  You mean like Denmark,. Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium???
runnindeer

Most people with a land line phone have it listed as’ No Call’ and they won’t respond to any poll or survey. As for cell phones, the greater number of people will not just randomly respond to any caller and most won’t use up purchased time with polls. The kids, teens, and few that would respond would fall into a liberal or ” guess I must be a liberal ” group that hasn’t a real clue what the hell the poll is anyway! College students and a great many people that are phone addicted and would talk to anyone about most anything are the ones I feel are the people answering the polls now.
wcplace

Democrats are actually DEMONIC RATS!
TOM P O’DONNELL

CRUZ-RUBIO OR CRUZ CARSON. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST. WATCH THE DEMO COMMOS TURN RACIST.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/spiritofamericapartybook/2015/05/22/a-moment-of-silence-is-a-communist-muzzle-on-memorial-day-we-pray
TOM P O’DONNELL

POLICE PROTECTION. NO COP SHOULD WALK OR RIDE A BEAT ALONE. LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST BE DONE IN PAIRS. IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD PAIRS. DO WITHOUT.
Bomberz

Most people today don’t have a clue of what social control does to a nation and the people. History shows the mistakes that have been made in the past. People in power will manipulate the past to control groups of people to follow them to their own self destruction. As America is doing today. Proof is in history. Look at every country that has been the world currency reserve. They all end in the same manner.
- David R
  
  Our greed will do us in one day that so called fiat money will come home to roost and fester; and will be worth nothing but toilet paper.
GovernmentTramplesRights

Whenever someone gets something he did not work for, then someone else worked for something he did not get.

This criminal theft via confiscatory taxes was never authorized by our Founding Fathers in the Constitution, but only as liberals began chipping away at it, especially after the disastrous 16th and 17th Amendments back in about 1913.
adrianvance

People respond to free stuff. It is just that simple. That they never deliver is the problem.

Google “Two Minute Conservative” for clarity.
djhartm .

As a conservative, I sadly feel we have surrendered to liberals long ago and the fight for the control of this country has been lost. NEVER in my lifetime would I have expected to see liberalism to become mainstream and conservatives to be crucified by the media. NEVER would I have expected to see homosexuality pandered 24 x 7 on airwaves to become cool and normal. NEVER would I have expected to see Christianity (but NEVER Islam) removed from every part of our social fabric.

But the writing was on the wall beginning with the radical 60’s, when liberals took over college campuses, indoctrinating millions of gullible minds to their anti-American mindset. Having taken over the colleges, the next target became the public school system, now run entirely by liberals. Now they can control the minds of each and every student. Then the media became a target. Liberal propaganda spewed 24 x 7 into the vacant minds of those that sit in front of the TV set for hours each day.

Now we have a society of young & middle-aged Leftists who were conditioned to subscribe to the liberal mind-set.

The coup de gras was the LGBT ‘movement’. Used as a trojan horse to completely eradicated religious impact from American society. It has worked brilliantly. And when SCOTUS tells Americans that we must accept SSM under the guise of ‘equality’ in June, the attacks upon Christians and conservatives will begin full force.

Conservatives and Christians have been complacent and cowardly over the last 50 years, and sadly, we have a society that now embraces leftist fascism and eschews the conservative values upon which America was founded.

Tragic.
jamesowens

more and more people are waking up and learning the truth -that is why there are more liberals. education = liberal = choice and by carrie barton standards conservative = party politics= oligarchy
Laurence Almand

So what do you expect from people who were raised in a Socialist welfare state? Read the good book BRAINWASHED to find out how our students are being programmed to the Socialist agenda.
J P

More liberals? No. Really? Do they know who’s gonna pay the taxes to support them?
Mary95

Progressives hijacked the term Liberal, so they could fit in better
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